A Step toward Feudalism: The Chrysler Bailout of 1979

Fair enough but I did ask about removal of safety features. Is that a good thing?

Were they replaced by something that really wasn't an altogether necessary innovation and by that I mean the scope of the last 3 decades-worth in hyper-upgrades to the industry, inside and out of the auto & don't intangibles like warrantees then enter the picture, too?--The piece had been talking about the public being drawn into features.

~But I was drawing a parallel when I was too tired :).
 
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The technology in today's automobiles, which are all computer controlled and are all basically over-engineered for safety, vs. crumble zones, and padded steering wheels 30 years ago is night and day. My own life was saved in a severe accident 5 years ago by my old Ford Focus. If I would've gotten into that same accident with a car made 30 years ago, I'd be dead today.

The reason being is that automakers have only recently engineered cars to actually absorb impact from a car accident. Back then, cars were made to be quite stiff, which meant all of the energy from the accident was transferred into the cabin where the driver and passenger are. Today that same energy is transferred AROUND the driver.

look at the difference 30 years makes in technology!

...in this sense that we coulda pulled in some kinda scope of what exactly that 30 yrs covered. Simply stating a wow on how much it was doesn't address the detail :), but you touched on maybe where I shoulda been lookin'...I was just stuck on the broader view first, sorry.

Context of the post is Everything, though...
 
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What's everybody think of this excerpt from this link?--[Just looking for opinions.] A Step Toward Feudalism: The Chrysler Bailout

"...A Step Toward Feudalism: The Chrysler Bailout

IV. The Way Out

The Chrysler subsidy would violate two political principles that have been highly important in this country: the principle that individuals are responsible for themselves and the principle that the government should treat people equally. It violates individual responsibility by making Chrysler stockholders and employees into wards of the state and taxpayers into servants of the state. It violates equal treatment by bailing out a particular firm. Yet the ends are desirable to many. Who wants to see Chrysler employees suffer, even if only for a short time?

Does the end justify the means? Taken literally, the question must be answered yes. The end justifies the means. What else could? But the end does not justify all means. In particular, the end does not justify a means inconsistent with the end. The end is to help people whose suffering has been partly caused by government. The means suggested is to tax innocent people. This means, by imposing still more government coercion, contradicts the end. There must be a better way out, and there is: Remove, as much as possible, the regulations responsible for the present problem. Four specific steps could be taken.

(1) Repeal the National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act. This act removes the freedom of motor vehicle manufacturers to produce cars that do not comply with government standards, even if buyers want such cars. Under this act, the National Highway and Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has imposed over forty standards regulating the design and manufacture of passenger cars. The act mandates expensive bumpers, seat belts, starter interlock, head restraints, and other items that add hundreds of dollars to the price of a car. Although it has made automobiles safer, car owners do not value the additional safety at what it costs them; if they did, they would have purchased the safety equipment voluntarily. Ralph Nader argues correctly that without government safety standards, people are not concerned enough about safety because the government abets their accidents with "free" highways and medical care. But the alternative to deciding that government should therefore regulate safety (from which it follows that government should also regulate smoking, drinking, and any other activity that harms our health) is to end the original intervention that caused the problem.

Although the argument against safety regulation does not depend on the actual effects of the regulation, these effects are worth noting. Because safety regulation makes driving safer for occupants, they take more chances and actually increase the hazards to pedestrians. Professor Sam Peltzman of the University of Chicago found the increase in pedestrian deaths due to the NHTSA regulations equal to the decrease in driver deaths.*

(2) Repeal the Energy Policy and Conservation Act. The justification for this act is that it conserves oil by forcing people to drive cars with higher gas mileage. This conservation is at the expense of other scarce resources, however, because cars with higher gas mileage cost more to produce. Car buyers should be able to choose the gas mileage that suits them best. People who want "gas guzzlers" should be able to choose them. After all, they pay for the gas they guzzle.

(3) Repeal price controls on oil and gasoline. One reason car sales have been 90 low lately is that U.S. price controls cause shortages whenever they are set below the market-clearing price. When drivers cannot be assured of gasoline supplies, cars become less valuable. The demand for cars is lower now than it would be if drivers did not believe there was a good chance of future shortages. This uncertainty about the future particularly hurts sales of recreational vehicles, one of Chrysler's few product lines that sold well.

(4) Repeal the laws that force employees to join unions. The earlier statement that Chrysler employees are not willing to sell their services to Chrysler at a cost below projected revenues needs qualifying. Individual employees might be willing to work for less than they are now being paid in order to keep their jobs, but they are not allowed to make that kind of bargain because the United Auto Workers (UAW) union has a monopoly on bargaining for most Chrysler employees. It is illegal for any worker to work for less than the wage the UAW has bargained for. If compulsory unionism were repealed, Chrysler would not be in as serious shape as it is in..."

Taking them one at a time.

1. I used to work in the auto industry (sort of) and remember research that indicated that some buyers would remove a piece of safety equipment if they had the choice to do so in order to bring the purchase price down. That said I think it would be a ridiculous decision. To use your analogy, we could also try taking the health warning and filters off cigarettes. Er, thanks but no thanks.

2. Yes but that's a daft decision as well. We need to wean ourselves off imported oil and, as far as possible, develop cleaner fuels.

3. I see the link but I don't buy it. I don't profess to be an expert on this, but to me it seems like swapping one problem for another.

4. Interesting. There is no doubt in my mind that the UAW have to shoulder a lot of the blame for the position the big 3 are in. I've always had a problem with unions because they so often fail to appreciate the other side of the coin and enjoy throwing their weight around. I would love to see compulsory union membership outlawed. But at the same time I remember my grandfather telling me about what it was like in the 1920s and 30s without unions, and it makes me wonder how long it would be before unscrupulous employers started behaving like tyrants. With no union, it would likely be the individual blue collar worker who would be the first to get the shit end of the stick. I see both points of view, so this one I can't answer.
 
Because the CATO institute is "libertarian".... that means you're supposed to be able to get yourself ejected after an accident if you feel like.

You missed the rest of the thread.
 
Taking them one at a time.

1. I used to work in the auto industry (sort of) and remember research that indicated that some buyers would remove a piece of safety equipment if they had the choice to do so in order to bring the purchase price down. That said I think it would be a ridiculous decision. To use your analogy, we could also try taking the health warning and filters off cigarettes. Er, thanks but no thanks...
...4. Interesting. There is no doubt in my mind that the UAW have to shoulder a lot of the blame for the position the big 3 are in. I've always had a problem with unions because they so often fail to appreciate the other side of the coin and enjoy throwing their weight around. I would love to see compulsory union membership outlawed. But at the same time I remember my grandfather telling me about what it was like in the 1920s and 30s without unions, and it makes me wonder how long it would be before unscrupulous employers started behaving like tyrants. With no union, it would likely be the individual blue collar worker who would be the first to get the shit end of the stick. I see both points of view, so this one I can't answer.

I see there's fun to chat on here, yeah, you're right on this and have me thinking about what it was like without them, hmm...but I also wonder on living without them.~However, since you've missed my posts this evening in this thread, and I've clarified the parallel I'd intended to draw, this won't address what Meant about the bigger picture.

Hope you return to the earlier posts I made in it :).

I will say, my brother came to me more than once, many times, so frustrated about being forced into Union and how he couldn't even produce then if he was stuck on line working with a production robot. The Union reps would get pissed if he cranked out too good a production count, it forced them to show bigger numbers every month and so workers were made to underachieve. You were ousted from other members according to him, if you did different. Then come the heavier ojt politics.
 
You know what, there's little hope anyway people or industry would ever reign in upgrades or anything relative to our automobiles, it's where we see one of the most shameless reflections on our character to begin with, how taken we are with image and keeping up with the Jones...

..Thanks for contribution, I just screwed up my whole thread from the beginning...
 
Were they replaced by something that really wasn't an altogether necessary innovation and by that I mean the scope of the last 3 decades-worth in hyper-upgrades to the industry, inside and out of the auto & don't intangibles like warrantees then enter the picture, too?--The piece had been talking about the public being drawn into features.

~But I was drawing a parallel when I was too tired :).

Okay, I see your point.
 

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