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    What is the GOP plan for creating jobs, exactly? I have never met anyone, or heard/read any commentator or politician, who can explain this.
    This doesn't bode well for denying Obama a second term.
     
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    It's not the GOPs responsibility to create jobs. Heck, it's not the governments.

    What the GOP needs to do is what they were elected to do: Cut the deficit. And this 4% is a drop in the bucket. We need real cuts. We need our budget balanced and we need to stop spending money we don't have. Until we fix this problem, we will continue to have economic instability because any intelligent person realizes that the government being overextended and broke does not bode well for the economy.
     
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    Yes it is Congress's job.
    economic recovery is what is most vital. Cutting the deficit comes second. The recovery is very real, with unemployment now at 8.8, but it is fragile. Cutting discretionary spending and scoring cheap political points against unions would do nothing in the long run but destroy the recovery. Where is the logic in depriving people of their productivity, by destroying education and infrastructure? Also, where is the logic in countering the deficit without raising taxes? If I am in debt x number of dollars, how is not making any money going to help me?
     
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    They have a plan to create jobs.




    Well Sweat shop jobs that pay a nickel a day.
     
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    These clowns in Washington aren't going to do shit. They talk the talk, but they'll never walk the walk. Anyone who truly wants to reduce the deficit will realize two things. First, cuts need to be made in SS, Medicare, and military spending. In order to make legitimate cuts into SS and Mediare, the retirement age must be raised and it must be done in a fairly aggressive manner. Secondly, taxes must be raised. Tax cuts are not going to help create that many new jobs if the deficit continues to grow and leads us into much higher inflation along with even more debt. So until our elected officials start discussing what really needs to be done, they are all just full of shit, Republicans and Democrats alike.
     
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    The GOP has no plan to make things better.

    That's not the agenda.

    That isnt obvious?
     
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    It's impossible to estimate the length and breadth of the ignorance that supports this opinion.

    Right now, to support the kind of logic that you employ, the Feds are burrowing from our children and grandchildren and their children, 40% of the budget. Bush was a big spender, but his lack of control is dwarfed by the current bunch. How much of your household budget do you have to burrow to support your activities?

    As a country, we were swindled into spending about a Trillion Dollars on the Failed Stimulus. If this does not illustrate the vacuum within the emptiness of your thinking, nothing will. Government spending empties the pockets of the citizenry. Sometimes that spending produces lasting trinkets like a highway and other times it just gets pissed away as it does when supporting the body counts on government union payrolls.

    The recovery, if you have not noticed, is occurring long after the Failed Stimulus ended. By the projections of those running the Failed Stimulus, If the effects were not in place in the summer of 2010, the positive effects hoped for from the Failed Stimulus would not occur.

    What they meant was, if the economy has not recovered by 2010 in spite of the dagger we have plunged into its heart, we will lose big in the fall of 2010.

    In that, at least, they were right.

    Ireland and Greece have economies that have failed already. Your plan has us going down the same drain. What will it take for you to learn?
     
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    Neither party nor any politician has a plan to make things better.

    The only logical choice, given the FACT that the politicians are absolutely impotent to help, is to opt for the plan that costs less.

    If we are going to get the lowest quality, shouldn't we at least enjoy a good price?
     
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    Ya your buddies the dems did such a fine job. Obama and company was on track to create an 8 trillion dollar increase in the deficit in 4 years, you remember you were whining cause Bush did it in 8 right?

    The Federal Government has no power , authority or responsibility for creating jobs. Never has and hopefully never will. What they have is a duty to balance the budget and pay off the debt. Something Democrats are not interested in doing at all.
     
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    "Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone." John Maynard Keynes

    This is one of those topics in which reality is completely lost to ideological disinformation. Anyone who considered what a society is without government or the anarchic theory that markets create utopia has read no history, especially economic history. Almost every major creation of wealth in knowledge and in real benefit comes from living in a collective. Boy that's a real 'bad' word today, but I use it purposely. See the quote below from one of the best history books written, or consider the book noted in URL. Government kick starts but in America today too much of the money goes to a war machine that has wasted trillions. As people cry over bills for our grandchildren, crocodile tears methinks, we waste billions on a war machine that could not stop 19 madmen, but fear manages sense in this case. If we don't build and support, we too will collapse internally, same as Russia did under oligarchy. See my signature links.

    "In 1929 Federal, state, and municipal governments accounted for about 8 percent of all economic activity in the United States. By the 1960s that figure was between 20 and 25 percent, far exceeding that in India, a socialist country. The National Science Foundation reckoned that federal funds were paying for 90 percent of research in aviation and space travel, 65 percent in electrical and electronic devices, 42 percent in Scientific Instruments, 31 percent in machinery, 28 percent in metal alloys, 24 percent in automobiles, and 20 percent in chemicals." William Manchester "The Glory and the Dream"


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    "The ideas of economists and political philosophers, both when they are right and when they are wrong, are more powerful than is commonly understood. Indeed, the world is ruled by little else. Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influences, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist. Madmen in authority, who hear voices in the air, are distilling their frenzy from some academic scribbler of a few years back. I am sure that the power of vested interests is vastly exaggerated compared with the gradual encroachment of ideas.. But, soon or late, it is ideas, not vested interests, which are dangerous for good or evil." John Maynard Keynes


    "Separate an individual from society, and give him an island or a continent to possess, and he cannot acquire personal property. He cannot be rich. So inseparably are the means connected with the end, in all cases, that where the former do not exist the latter cannot be obtained. All accumulation, therefore, of personal property, beyond what a man's own hands produce, is derived to him by living in society; and he owes on every principle of justice, of gratitude, and of civilization, a part of that accumulation back again to society from whence the whole came." Thomas Paine
     

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