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No it can't. Your idea of "liberalism" is half-arsed, that' why it can't be substituted. I have to accept that Americans have mangled the definition of "liberal" to make it almost unintellgible for those outside the US to understand. And since it's used in the domestic political discourse in the US and Americans know what it means (it means something or someone right wingers don't like) far be it from me to criticise.
But that doesn't mean I have to surrender when it's chucked at me. As I said, "socialism" isn't just a word, it's a word used to describe a particular socio-economic concept. You might call it "liberalism" and that's fine, but I will continue to point out that the rubbery idea of "liberalism" as held by many Americans is not connected to the socio-economic concept called "socialism".
Thank God, because the United State is far better than that. Have a great life in your country, d.
I just came from a grocery store. While the wife was shopping I read about the plight of a local child that was born without the soft areas in it's skull. They are doing the neccessary surgery to insure the childs survival, but the insurance does not cover the special helmut that the child needs. And both parents were just laid off from their jobs. In every other industrial nation in the world, this would have been taken care of.
So, in view of the above, what makes the US better than Australia in this case, and many others like it. In France, Germany, Great Britain, ect. this would have been taken care of as a matter of course. Here, our compassionate Conservatives care nothing about our children.
I've read a little of Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations, not all of it, in fact, not even half of it. But the little I did read informed me that that bloke nailed it in time and place. Against what I think was a backdrop of economics based on imperalism, colonialism and mercantilism, Smith brought in some (then) radical ideas about how economics could work to benefit the ordinary person. To those who say Smith was a genius, I concur. If a genius is a person who can see clearly, through the obfuscating received wisdoms and conventional thinking of one's own times, then Smith was a genius. I think it was he who gave us the idea of "enlightened self-interest" which is at the heart of the idea of capitalism and its associated mechanism of free markets and its iron laws of demand and of supply.
I wonder at the 'lesson' or 'message' you took from that experience coupled with your prior readings? From your posts, it seems the lesson was lost.
Times change indeed. I first visited the US in 1984. I spent two months travelling around and thanks to an American Airlines deal with an internal flight pass thing and car rental I had a really good look around. But I was a visitor and only scratched the surface of the country and its culture. One thing I learned though that I could never learn from mere observation from afar was the incredible cultural diversity in one country.
I had done a great deal of reading (this was pre-internet for all of course) about the US and its culture (cultures) and one thing I read which stuck in my mind was a reference to work and workers.
Unlike many countries, the UK being a prime example, I read that Americans don't look down on workers in terms of status.
The piece I read said that Americans don't look down on your even if your job is "pumping gas", provided you do it well.
That really hit home with me because I was born into a culture that is ridden with class distinction based on occupation and wealth. And I live in a culture that has, to a degree inherited that preoccupation with class but has managed to ameliorate it somewhat (hence the admiration of the battler).
I also read that tipping was an important part of life in the US (we don't have that culture to any great deal here for various reasons, being tight with money isn't one of them).
On one of my several trips to the US after that initial 1984 jaunt I remember being in Oregon with a rental car and I pulled up at a service station and a young bloke came out and filled the car and started cleaning the windows of the car without me asking him. I hopped out of the car to pay for the fuel and then I offered him a tip for his work. "That won't be necessary sir", he told me. That piece I read came back to me. That young bloke was really good at his job. If I'd been living there in Oregon I would have gone out of my way to go back to that service station time and time again.
Funny how things come to mind.
I wonder at the 'lesson' or 'message' you took from that experience coupled with your prior readings? From your posts, it seems the lesson was lost.
No Annie, not lost, I was just reflecting on how things have apparently changed, in the US, for the worse. You see my first visit was when Reagan was in the White House. I wasn't a fan, I think he began the rot that set in. I remember driving from Chicago to Iowa (Muscatine) and calling in in Dixon, Illinois to get some lunch and finding Reagan's boyhood home (which was a tourist location of course). Reagan didn't have a privileged life as a boy but he made himself successful in acting as we know (synchronicity - on the same visit I was shown around parts of the LA Country Sheriff's department by a woman who had a minor part in a couple of films with Reagan) and later in business and then of course in politics. But in his political life he somehow shifted from the side that would have supported battlers to that side that regarded its base as the haves and the have-mores.
Old Rocks' post caused me some reflection, that's all. I'm capable of seeing things from more than one perspective.
Socialism - the social as opposed to private ownership of the means of production in a society.
It has nothing to do with what's been posted in this thread, so far.
But it does make you look like fucking idiots so it has entertainment value
I disagree. In John's Texas Tech example, the students (social) own the grades (means of production) for the class (society). The experiment resulted in failure for all.
And we have just had a wonderful experiment in unregulated capitalism, and the result is failure for the whole of our nation and most of the world. Rather more relevent than these silly exercises.
The fact that the Federal Reserve exists means we couldn't possibly have had unregulated capitalism, add the countless other regulations to that and the myth of "unregulated capitalism" causing this recession becomes nonsense.
The fact that the Federal Reserve exists means we couldn't possibly have had unregulated capitalism, add the countless other regulations to that and the myth of "unregulated capitalism" causing this recession becomes nonsense.
"Unregulated capitalism" is itself an oxymoron; were capitalism to be completely unregulated, it would quickly collapse. Though free market capitalism is a logical impossibility, the neoliberal character of Anglo-Saxon capitalism permitted us to see some elements of its failure.
Then we are in agreement that "unregulated capitalism" did not cause our current economic troubles. You and I have much in common.
Thank God, because the United State is far better than that. Have a great life in your country, d.
I just came from a grocery store. While the wife was shopping I read about the plight of a local child that was born without the soft areas in it's skull. They are doing the neccessary surgery to insure the childs survival, but the insurance does not cover the special helmut that the child needs. And both parents were just laid off from their jobs. In every other industrial nation in the world, this would have been taken care of.
So, in view of the above, what makes the US better than Australia in this case, and many others like it. In France, Germany, Great Britain, ect. this would have been taken care of as a matter of course. Here, our compassionate Conservatives care nothing about our children.
I just came home from a grocery store. While the wife was shopping I read about the plight of a cancer victim. The cancer victim was an 84 year old woman. This type of cancer care wan't covered in the UK, Germany, France ect. But our medical coverage did take care of this woman, and she is alive today because of it. Here our compassionate concervatives healthcare system took care of the elderly.
I just came from a grocery store. While the wife was shopping I read about the plight of a local child that was born without the soft areas in it's skull. They are doing the neccessary surgery to insure the childs survival, but the insurance does not cover the special helmut that the child needs. And both parents were just laid off from their jobs. In every other industrial nation in the world, this would have been taken care of.
So, in view of the above, what makes the US better than Australia in this case, and many others like it. In France, Germany, Great Britain, ect. this would have been taken care of as a matter of course. Here, our compassionate Conservatives care nothing about our children.
I just came home from a grocery store. While the wife was shopping I read about the plight of a cancer victim. The cancer victim was an 84 year old woman. This type of cancer care wan't covered in the UK, Germany, France ect. But our medical coverage did take care of this woman, and she is alive today because of it. Here our compassionate concervatives healthcare system took care of the elderly.
That doesn't make sense to me. I have friends going out of the country to get affordable healthcare in Thailand, and Mexico.
The compassionate conservatism you're speaking of is very expensive. Our whole healthcare system needs an overhaul. We need universal coverage, and an emphasis on preventative care.
I just came home from a grocery store. While the wife was shopping I read about the plight of a cancer victim. The cancer victim was an 84 year old woman. This type of cancer care wan't covered in the UK, Germany, France ect. But our medical coverage did take care of this woman, and she is alive today because of it. Here our compassionate concervatives healthcare system took care of the elderly.
That doesn't make sense to me. I have friends going out of the country to get affordable healthcare in Thailand, and Mexico.
The compassionate conservatism you're speaking of is very expensive. Our whole healthcare system needs an overhaul. We need universal coverage, and an emphasis on preventative care.
I bet there are a lot more people come to this country to get our healthcare than their inadequate universal healthcare that you seem to cherish. When it comes to life, and death...they come here. Don't try and overhaul state of the art.
I just came home from a grocery store. While the wife was shopping I read about the plight of a cancer victim. The cancer victim was an 84 year old woman. This type of cancer care wan't covered in the UK, Germany, France ect. But our medical coverage did take care of this woman, and she is alive today because of it. Here our compassionate concervatives healthcare system took care of the elderly.
That doesn't make sense to me. I have friends going out of the country to get affordable healthcare in Thailand, and Mexico.
The compassionate conservatism you're speaking of is very expensive. Our whole healthcare system needs an overhaul. We need universal coverage, and an emphasis on preventative care.
I bet there are a lot more people come to this country to get our healthcare than their inadequate universal healthcare that you seem to cherish. When it comes to life, and death...they come here. Don't try and overhaul state of the art.
Thank God, because the United State is far better than that. Have a great life in your country, d.
I just came from a grocery store. While the wife was shopping I read about the plight of a local child that was born without the soft areas in it's skull. They are doing the neccessary surgery to insure the childs survival, but the insurance does not cover the special helmut that the child needs. And both parents were just laid off from their jobs. In every other industrial nation in the world, this would have been taken care of.
So, in view of the above, what makes the US better than Australia in this case, and many others like it. In France, Germany, Great Britain, ect. this would have been taken care of as a matter of course. Here, our compassionate Conservatives care nothing about our children.
I just came home from a grocery store. While the wife was shopping I read about the plight of a cancer victim. The cancer victim was an 84 year old woman. This type of cancer care wan't covered in the UK, Germany, France ect. But our medical coverage did take care of this woman, and she is alive today because of it. Here our compassionate concervatives healthcare system took care of the elderly.
I don't think the main of the people of US have lost sight of the 'battlers' as you call them, in fact they are still respected. Now we have had at least 4 or more presidents who are either hold such in contempt or think they shouldn't have to deal with use 'lowly' activities as a start. The people though get it. My son told me today, if he can't get a position next month with a police agency, he'll take a job in car wash, rather than McD's, while applying and looking for something better. Mind you, he'll be graduating with a 3.95 GPA.
I just came from a grocery store. While the wife was shopping I read about the plight of a local child that was born without the soft areas in it's skull. They are doing the neccessary surgery to insure the childs survival, but the insurance does not cover the special helmut that the child needs. And both parents were just laid off from their jobs. In every other industrial nation in the world, this would have been taken care of.
So, in view of the above, what makes the US better than Australia in this case, and many others like it. In France, Germany, Great Britain, ect. this would have been taken care of as a matter of course. Here, our compassionate Conservatives care nothing about our children.
I just came home from a grocery store. While the wife was shopping I read about the plight of a cancer victim. The cancer victim was an 84 year old woman. This type of cancer care wan't covered in the UK, Germany, France ect. But our medical coverage did take care of this woman, and she is alive today because of it. Here our compassionate concervatives healthcare system took care of the elderly.
That doesn't make sense to me. I have friends going out of the country to get affordable healthcare in Thailand, and Mexico.
The compassionate conservatism you're speaking of is very expensive. Our whole healthcare system needs an overhaul. We need universal coverage, and an emphasis on preventative care.
That doesn't make sense to me. I have friends going out of the country to get affordable healthcare in Thailand, and Mexico.
The compassionate conservatism you're speaking of is very expensive. Our whole healthcare system needs an overhaul. We need universal coverage, and an emphasis on preventative care.
I bet there are a lot more people come to this country to get our healthcare than their inadequate universal healthcare that you seem to cherish. When it comes to life, and death...they come here. Don't try and overhaul state of the art.
Actually, when it comes to life and death, people will go where they are able to get healthcare affordably. Even with the cost of travel, savvy people are going where they can afford healthcare. I'm talking about people who do not have health insurance--which are many of my friends.
Many people are leaving the US in order to get surgeries and expensive cancer treatments. They are also importing prescription drugs from places other than the US.
I just came from a grocery store. While the wife was shopping I read about the plight of a local child that was born without the soft areas in it's skull. They are doing the neccessary surgery to insure the childs survival, but the insurance does not cover the special helmut that the child needs. And both parents were just laid off from their jobs. In every other industrial nation in the world, this would have been taken care of.
So, in view of the above, what makes the US better than Australia in this case, and many others like it. In France, Germany, Great Britain, ect. this would have been taken care of as a matter of course. Here, our compassionate Conservatives care nothing about our children.
I just came home from a grocery store. While the wife was shopping I read about the plight of a cancer victim. The cancer victim was an 84 year old woman. This type of cancer care wan't covered in the UK, Germany, France ect. But our medical coverage did take care of this woman, and she is alive today because of it. Here our compassionate concervatives healthcare system took care of the elderly.
And you are full of shit.
I just came home from a grocery store. While the wife was shopping I read about the plight of a cancer victim. The cancer victim was an 84 year old woman. This type of cancer care wan't covered in the UK, Germany, France ect. But our medical coverage did take care of this woman, and she is alive today because of it. Here our compassionate concervatives healthcare system took care of the elderly.
And you are full of shit.
Back at you dude. Your full of shit...big time....as always I might add.
That doesn't make sense to me. I have friends going out of the country to get affordable healthcare in Thailand, and Mexico.
The compassionate conservatism you're speaking of is very expensive. Our whole healthcare system needs an overhaul. We need universal coverage, and an emphasis on preventative care.
I bet there are a lot more people come to this country to get our healthcare than their inadequate universal healthcare that you seem to cherish. When it comes to life, and death...they come here. Don't try and overhaul state of the art.
Angioplasty was first done in Switzerland. The first heart transplant surgery was done in South Africa. When it comes to medical knowledge there are no boundaries. But when it comes to the inability to pay for health care it seems the US is a leader. It's a sort of empty claim you make on both counts. One is that the US is somehow the only country that can lay claim to start of the art medical practice. That's nonsense. But even if it were then what good it is if it's not available to everyone? That's really all fucked up.
And you are full of shit.
Back at you dude. Your full of shit...big time....as always I might add.
old rock lewinsky throwing a tantrum, I see.
