A quote from Abe Lincoln over Rich vs Poor--very TRUE--what say you liberals.

[G.Willickers]

Here are a couple of real Lincoln quotes:

"That some achieve great success, is proof to all that others can achieve it as well".
-Abraham Lincoln

"Capital has it's rights, which are as worthy of protection as any other right".
-Abraham Lincoln Dec. 3, 1861

"I don't believe in a law to prevent a man from getting rich; it would do more harm than good. So while we do not propose any war upon capital, we do wish to allow the humblest man an equal chance to get rich with everybody else".
-Abraham Lincoln March 6, 1860

 

[Bfgrn]

Here are a couple of real Lincoln quotes:

"That some achieve great success, is proof to all that others can achieve it as well".
-Abraham Lincoln

"Capital has it's rights, which are as worthy of protection as any other right".
-Abraham Lincoln Dec. 3, 1861

"I don't believe in a law to prevent a man from getting rich; it would do more harm than good. So while we do not propose any war upon capital, we do wish to allow the humblest man an equal chance to get rich with everybody else".
-Abraham Lincoln March 6, 1860

If you put Agit8r's quote and yours together, you have what Lincoln really said...

"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. Capital has its rights, which are as worthy of protection as any other rights. Nor is it denied that there is, and probably always will be, a relation between labor and capital producing mutual benefits."

Abraham Lincoln, First State of the Union Address (3 December 1861) http://www.infoplease.com/t/hist/state-of-the-union/73.html

 

[rdean]

"You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred. You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence. You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves." --Abraham Lincoln


O.K. Liberals explain this one--

This is probably the best quote I have seen from any President. Apparently our politicians with all their Harvard Law degrees--still don't get it. This quote from someone that had to teach himself how to read & write while using a candle to illuminate the pages of his books so he could read.

It's why Democrats believe in Education. What do Republicans believe in?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm878T4iykc]Santorum calls president Obama a snob - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Intense]

Education, minus the Indoctrination.

 

[P@triot]

Why do lies like this quote, Citizenship issues with Obama, Death panels, communism, etc. ever start? From where do these lies originate? It's creating a violently insane political atmosphere where nobody knows what to believe.

Except that everything you just mentioned are NOT lies.

Where did "citizenship issues with Obama" start from? Oh, I don't know, maybe from his OWN MOUTH. Have you read his autobiography? I've got $10K that says you haven't. Or how about the information he supplied to a publisher in 1991 that says "Born in Kenya, raised in Indonesia and Hawaii".

Now, if that information is inaccurate, Obama has no one to blame but himself. He supplied it to the publisher and he left it that way for 17 years. The "error" (wink, wink) was suddenly caught in 2007 - right when he announced his candidacy for the presidency. Isn't that one HELL of a coincidence?

 

[rightwinger]

As Abe Lincoln once said:

"Fuck the one percent"

 

[JakeStarkey]

Lincoln never said it.

"You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred. You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence. You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves." --Abraham Lincoln


O.K. Liberals explain this one--

This is probably the best quote I have seen from any President. Apparently our politicians with all their Harvard Law degrees--still don't get it. This quote from someone that had to teach himself how to read & write while using a candle to illuminate the pages of his books so he could read.

 

[P@triot]

Why do lies like this quote, Citizenship issues with Obama, Death panels, communism, etc. ever start? From where do these lies originate? It's creating a violently insane political atmosphere where nobody knows what to believe.

The only thing "creating a violently insane political atmosphere" is the left's refusal to deal with reality and facts.

Barack Obama himself has tons of material in his past that clearly indicates he was born in Kenya. Yet, we're all supposed to ignore that and just believe whatever the left tells us.

Every nation in world history that had government controlled healthcare had some form of "Death Panels". When you have an entire nation to care for, and limited resources (ie money, physicians, facilities, etc.), you must make choices about who gets what care. Choices are the nice way of saying "rationing". And rationing is just the nice way of saying "death panels". Yet once again, we are expected to ignore facts, history, and common sense in favor for what ever the left tells us regarding their vision of utopia.

Finally, as far as Communism, well once again - that comes straight from Obama's own mouth and his history:

His mentor (by his own acknowledgement) was Frank Marshall Davis. Frank Marshall Davis was a card carrying member of the Communist Party USA (card carrying CP #47544).

“I actually believe in redistribution” - Senator Barack Obama, 1998

“I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody" - Candidate Barack Obama, 2008

“I mean, I do think at a certain point you’ve made enough money.” - President Barack Obama, 2010

This is but the smallest portion of Barack's history - all of which is 100% fact and all of which can be independently verified by anyone who cares to know the truth. The problem we have in America is that the left prefers utopia over facts/reality.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The refusal to deal with reality and facts clearly defines the Far Right.

Why do lies like this quote, Citizenship issues with Obama, Death panels, communism, etc. ever start? From where do these lies originate? It's creating a violently insane political atmosphere where nobody knows what to believe.

The only thing "creating a violently insane political atmosphere" is the left's refusal to deal with reality and facts.

Barack Obama himself has tons of material in his past that clearly indicates he was born in Kenya. Yet, we're all supposed to ignore that and just believe whatever the left tells us.

Every nation in world history that had government controlled healthcare had some form of "Death Panels". When you have an entire nation to care for, and limited resources (ie money, physicians, facilities, etc.), you must make choices about who gets what care. Choices are the nice way of saying "rationing". And rationing is just the nice way of saying "death panels". Yet once again, we are expected to ignore facts, history, and common sense in favor for what ever the left tells us regarding their vision of utopia.

Finally, as far as Communism, well once again - that comes straight from Obama's own mouth and his history:

His mentor (by his own acknowledgement) was Frank Marshall Davis. Frank Marshall Davis was a card carrying member of the Communist Party USA (card carrying CP #47544).

“I actually believe in redistribution” - Senator Barack Obama, 1998

“I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody" - Candidate Barack Obama, 2008

“I mean, I do think at a certain point you’ve made enough money.” - President Barack Obama, 2010

This is but the smallest portion of Barack's history - all of which is 100% fact and all of which can be independently verified by anyone who cares to know the truth. The problem we have in America is that the left prefers utopia over facts/reality.

 

[rightwinger]

As Abe Lincoln once said:

"Trickle down economics is a bunch of bullshit, if you cut taxes on the rich.....they just keep the money"

 

[JakeStarkey]

As Lincoln said, "Tax the rich until they bleed, because we take the workers' money particularly when the worker is in need."

 

[The Professor]

Here's one that is real.
Take a look around on this board and you'll see that he was spot on.

A house divided against itself cannot stand.
Abraham Lincoln

Lincoln probably said it, but I think he got it from a somewhat older source:

“And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand” (Mark 3:25, KJV; see also Matthew 12:25, Luke 11:17).

 

[freedombecki]

As Abe Lincoln once said:

"Trickle down economics is a bunch of bullshit, if you cut taxes on the rich.....they just keep the money"

Yes, they do. and many, many of them invest it in companies who give a lot of people jobs. They do it for family, people in their communities they love and want to make sure get a fair shake in life with job opportunities, and even persons they won't acknowledge who talked them into investing money in projects that would ensure job opportunities for Americans.

Who the hell cares. The American one percent does. If they didn't, we'd be like a certain country who has a lot of people who cannot work due to no job opportunities, a rich class that is so jet-set they rarely stop in their own country.

This is a country of individuals taught that helping each other is the right thing to do, and they do just that. They don't tell anyone because it's against their religion.

 

[P@triot]

As Abe Lincoln once said:

"Trickle down economics is a bunch of bullshit, if you cut taxes on the rich.....they just keep the money"

So the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation is "a bunch of bullshit", uh?

The wealthy in this nation give generously like no other group of people in world history. Every university in this country has buildings named after wealthy people who donated (ie of their own free will) the money necessary to build those facilities.

Do you have any idea how many hospitals across the nation have facilities that bear the names of people who generously gave millions and millions of dollars?

Do you have any idea how much the wealthy have given to Shriners Hospitals so children could receive FREE healthcare????

Do you have any idea how much the wealthy have given to cancer research, AIDS research, and other medical research?

It's just a FACT that tax cuts for corporations, small business, and the wealthy results in more employment, more charity, more investing, and better conditions for everyone in the U.S.

The only thing that is "bullshit" is your blatant lie that the "rich just keep the money". And the people on this thread wonder why we have the current political climate we do? It's because of people just like you who hate others who were more successful and try to tear them down with lies.

 

[Bfgrn]

As Abe Lincoln once said:

"Trickle down economics is a bunch of bullshit, if you cut taxes on the rich.....they just keep the money"

So the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation is "a bunch of bullshit", uh?

The wealthy in this nation give generously like no other group of people in world history. Every university in this country has buildings named after wealthy people who donated (ie of their own free will) the money necessary to build those facilities.

Do you have any idea how many hospitals across the nation have facilities that bear the names of people who generously gave millions and millions of dollars?

Do you have any idea how much the wealthy have given to Shriners Hospitals so children could receive FREE healthcare????

Do you have any idea how much the wealthy have given to cancer research, AIDS research, and other medical research?

It's just a FACT that tax cuts for corporations, small business, and the wealthy results in more employment, more charity, more investing, and better conditions for everyone in the U.S.

The only thing that is "bullshit" is your blatant lie that the "rich just keep the money". And the people on this thread wonder why we have the current political climate we do? It's because of people just like you who hate others who were more successful and try to tear them down with lies.

Time to Step Up: Corporate Charity Accounted for Only 5% of Giving in 2011

There's a commercial running on television for a data delivery company where a woman who was late to knowing about a neighbor's newborn child is the loudest when acknowledging a gift sent by other neighbors.

That's just about the way the for-profit sector treats its philanthropy. "Look at us. Look at us. Aren't we great?" There is a conga line of companies lining up for the new "benefit corporation" status in California, constructed for companies that want a do-gooder label. For-profits all want to scream about how much they do for their communities and for philanthropy.

When the new GivingUSA numbers were posted this week and compared to recent events it was incredible to see that one stock transaction -- Facebook's initial public offering -- raised more money than was given by all of corporate America during 2011.

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[emilynghiem]

Here are a couple of real Lincoln quotes:

"That some achieve great success, is proof to all that others can achieve it as well".
-Abraham Lincoln

"Capital has it's rights, which are as worthy of protection as any other right".
-Abraham Lincoln Dec. 3, 1861

"I don't believe in a law to prevent a man from getting rich; it would do more harm than good. So while we do not propose any war upon capital, we do wish to allow the humblest man an equal chance to get rich with everybody else".
-Abraham Lincoln March 6, 1860

Dear GW: the REAL issue is abusing corporate status to have MORE rights than individuals because of using COLLECTIVE resources/influences to bypass checks balances and due process under the Constitution which otherwise stands for equal protection of the laws.

The simplest way to correct this, is to require that ALL institutions (whether religious, nonprofit or business etc) which register under the state or govt in order to conduct operations SIGN in their licensing that all members representing the organization agree to respect follow enforce and implement the SAME Code of Ethics and Constitutional laws as required of government since they have COLLECTIVE authority, resources and influence.

Otherwise the problem is there is no CHECK on people abusing corporate or institutional authority as the Bill of Rights and Fourteenth Amendment are supposed to do for govt.

Whether it is state, church or corporate authority that is abused, the solution is the same: to require due process and the right to petition for redress of grievances; where any bullying or coercion, exclusion or censorship aimed at preventing grievances of affected parties from being redressed would be Unconstitutional as obstructing justice and due process, and thus undermining "equal protection of the laws" to individuals by giving more to larger groups!

 

[emilynghiem]

Honestly, the Far Left can be just as fundamentally flawed and biased to the point of contradicting their own premise.

Some examples I've posted in one msg or another, ad infinitum (or ad nauseum):
1. Being prochoice and against prolife legislation as govt intrusion, but then supporting
the health care mandates that violate free choice (especially imposing requirements the govt has not even met or else threatening penalties if these aren't met).
2. Being anti-war and demanding diplomatic solutions instead of demonizing terrorists; yet namecalling, demonizing and waging war on Republican/conservative adversaries for the same reasons -- lack of faith that peace can be made with opposing groups and ideologies.
3. Insisting that ALL gays are naturally born that way and NONE can change (thus fighting an endless deadlock with people who claim that NO gays are natural and ALL are sinful).
Instead of acknowledging that in SOME cases of homosexuality, people are naturally inclined or born with this orientation and may not change, but some people are unnaturally influenced or reacting due to past abuse which could be healed to change their orientation.
4. Bashing Bush in order to organize politically to get other candidates in government, to such an extreme that it overrode the REAL issues behind the objections and was thus attacked as purely politically motivated (with namecalling like Unamerican or Communist);
then calling Tea Party and anti-Obama activists names like Racist and Nazis for lobbying against Obama to such an extreme it also overrides the VALID objections to his policies too!
5. Then the argument about abortion rights vs. gun rights; where conservatives who don't want govt interfering "at all" with gun rights will go to extreme measures to block proposed legislation they claim is not going to prevent the problem because criminals are going to get guns anyway (and liberals object and blame them for not taking responsibility); and when liberals who don't want govt interfering "at all" with abortion rights go to extreme measures to block any protective legislation, claiming people are going to get abortions anyway, then conservatives object and blame them for the same, etc.

I could go on, but these are the main ones I see the most, in one form or another.

The point is, there is a common failure of people on either the Right or Left to see when they "wax fundamentalist" on certain issues, that have an equivalent on the other side they find EQUALLY blindsided and annoying, when the shoe is on the other foot.

When they realize this is mutual, maybe there is a chance they will stop pushing those buttons and criticizing others, when they do the "EXACT SAME THING" when it comes to their sacred issues they react the same way to!

The refusal to deal with reality and facts clearly defines the Far Right.

Why do lies like this quote, Citizenship issues with Obama, Death panels, communism, etc. ever start? From where do these lies originate? It's creating a violently insane political atmosphere where nobody knows what to believe.

The only thing "creating a violently insane political atmosphere" is the left's refusal to deal with reality and facts.

Barack Obama himself has tons of material in his past that clearly indicates he was born in Kenya. Yet, we're all supposed to ignore that and just believe whatever the left tells us.

Every nation in world history that had government controlled healthcare had some form of "Death Panels". When you have an entire nation to care for, and limited resources (ie money, physicians, facilities, etc.), you must make choices about who gets what care. Choices are the nice way of saying "rationing". And rationing is just the nice way of saying "death panels". Yet once again, we are expected to ignore facts, history, and common sense in favor for what ever the left tells us regarding their vision of utopia.

Finally, as far as Communism, well once again - that comes straight from Obama's own mouth and his history:

His mentor (by his own acknowledgement) was Frank Marshall Davis. Frank Marshall Davis was a card carrying member of the Communist Party USA (card carrying CP #47544).

“I actually believe in redistribution” - Senator Barack Obama, 1998

“I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody" - Candidate Barack Obama, 2008

“I mean, I do think at a certain point you’ve made enough money.” - President Barack Obama, 2010

This is but the smallest portion of Barack's history - all of which is 100% fact and all of which can be independently verified by anyone who cares to know the truth. The problem we have in America is that the left prefers utopia over facts/reality.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Of course the Far Left is as crazy, Emily, as is the Far Right.

Either the good people America crush both extremes, or one side or the other will lead us to slaughter.

 

[Bfgrn]

Of course the Far Left is as crazy, Emily, as is the Far Right.

Either the good people America crush both extremes, or one side or the other will lead us to slaughter.

What you fail to realize is that the "far left" has no power in this country. BOTH parties are right of center. It is a dangerous place to be.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The Far Left had power in the 1960s then we destroyed that power. We will never let it rise up again. We will do the same to the Far Right.