A question regarding the Sun

Discussion in 'Environment' started by RetiredGySgt, Jun 28, 2009.

  1. RetiredGySgt
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    Ok for years now we have listened to the environuts claim the sun had nothing or almost nothing to do with the minor heating we have experienced up until 2000.

    Now we are being told by these same people that the Sun IS causing a cooling period, eliminating the heating trend.

    My question is, If the Sun had no real impact on HEATING the planet, why can these same people now claim with straight faces it is causing the heating to stop?
     
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    global warming is a faith based religion..
     
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    You are both silly asses. Nobody has claimed the sun has nothing to do with warming and cooling. What has been observed is that the total solar irradiance has not increased in the last 50 years, while the amount of warming has. The fact that there is a cooling during a solar minimum has never been in question. In fact, the combination of a solar minimum and a strong and persistant La Nina should have produced some real cool years in 2007, and 2008. But both were in the top ten as far as warm years go. They should have been at least in the mid range for the last 150 years, 50th to 70th warmest, not in the top 10. As the solar cycle ramps up again and the inevitable El Nino arrives, we will see years that exceed 1998 and 2005. And then you silly asses will be back to claiming it is because of the sun increasing TSI, even though the average TSI remains the same. You fellows just cannot keep your logic or stories straight.
     
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    sunspot activity has consequences we do not even begin to understand....you cannot control what the sun does
     
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    The people who can't keep their stories straight are the enviro-Malthusians.

    The goofs on the Weather Channel can't tell anyone with any certainty what the weather is going to be like next week. Yet, change the title from "meteorologist" to "climatologist" and somehow those eggheads can tell us with certainty what the weather is going to be like 20 years from now.

    And not a one of them has explained the cooling that has occurred since '98, even though the CO2 levels are supposedly continuing to rise.
     
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    What cooling???? Don't you Kool-Aid drinkers know that the decade from 1999 to 2008 has been the warmest decade in the history of direct instrument measurement? :cuckoo:
     
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    Maybe YOU should have read it FIRST, Kool-Aid Kid.
    CON$ are tooooooo STUPID to know the difference between the US and the whole globe. :cuckoo:
     
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    Again, you are measuring geologic change with a stop watch. The TSI has undeniably been rising since about 1700 and the temperature has risen with it. The temperature cratered due to the drop of TSI in about 1600 and before. This drop was the result of TSI falling. The rise is due to TSI increasing.

    The TSI has been at its historic high for the 50 years over which you say it has not increased. It really doesn't need to when it's already higher than it's ever been. See link #1 below.

    Should have been cooler than 150 years ago? Not according to TSI. However, the TSI has dropped over the recent several years and so has tempearture. CO2 continued to rise. What do you gleen from this?


    http://biocab.org/ISI_Lean___Loehle.jpg
    Solar Irradiance Anomalies and Climate
     
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    wtf? No offense, RGS, but you are a retard. I've never heard anyone claim that the sun has no impact on heating the planet. :cuckoo:
     

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