A question regarding the Sun

[RetiredGySgt]

Ok for years now we have listened to the environuts claim the sun had nothing or almost nothing to do with the minor heating we have experienced up until 2000.

Now we are being told by these same people that the Sun IS causing a cooling period, eliminating the heating trend.

My question is, If the Sun had no real impact on HEATING the planet, why can these same people now claim with straight faces it is causing the heating to stop?

 

[eots]

global warming is a faith based religion..

 

[Old Rocks]

You are both silly asses. Nobody has claimed the sun has nothing to do with warming and cooling. What has been observed is that the total solar irradiance has not increased in the last 50 years, while the amount of warming has. The fact that there is a cooling during a solar minimum has never been in question. In fact, the combination of a solar minimum and a strong and persistant La Nina should have produced some real cool years in 2007, and 2008. But both were in the top ten as far as warm years go. They should have been at least in the mid range for the last 150 years, 50th to 70th warmest, not in the top 10. As the solar cycle ramps up again and the inevitable El Nino arrives, we will see years that exceed 1998 and 2005. And then you silly asses will be back to claiming it is because of the sun increasing TSI, even though the average TSI remains the same. You fellows just cannot keep your logic or stories straight.

 

[strollingbones]

sunspot activity has consequences we do not even begin to understand....you cannot control what the sun does

 

[Oddball]

You are both silly asses. Nobody has claimed the sun has nothing to do with warming and cooling. What has been observed is that the total solar irradiance has not increased in the last 50 years, while the amount of warming has. The fact that there is a cooling during a solar minimum has never been in question. In fact, the combination of a solar minimum and a strong and persistant La Nina should have produced some real cool years in 2007, and 2008. But both were in the top ten as far as warm years go. They should have been at least in the mid range for the last 150 years, 50th to 70th warmest, not in the top 10. As the solar cycle ramps up again and the inevitable El Nino arrives, we will see years that exceed 1998 and 2005. And then you silly asses will be back to claiming it is because of the sun increasing TSI, even though the average TSI remains the same. You fellows just cannot keep your logic or stories straight.

The people who can't keep their stories straight are the enviro-Malthusians.

The goofs on the Weather Channel can't tell anyone with any certainty what the weather is going to be like next week. Yet, change the title from "meteorologist" to "climatologist" and somehow those eggheads can tell us with certainty what the weather is going to be like 20 years from now.

And not a one of them has explained the cooling that has occurred since '98, even though the CO2 levels are supposedly continuing to rise.

 

[edthecynic]

You are both silly asses. Nobody has claimed the sun has nothing to do with warming and cooling. What has been observed is that the total solar irradiance has not increased in the last 50 years, while the amount of warming has. The fact that there is a cooling during a solar minimum has never been in question. In fact, the combination of a solar minimum and a strong and persistant La Nina should have produced some real cool years in 2007, and 2008. But both were in the top ten as far as warm years go. They should have been at least in the mid range for the last 150 years, 50th to 70th warmest, not in the top 10. As the solar cycle ramps up again and the inevitable El Nino arrives, we will see years that exceed 1998 and 2005. And then you silly asses will be back to claiming it is because of the sun increasing TSI, even though the average TSI remains the same. You fellows just cannot keep your logic or stories straight.

The people who can't keep their stories straight are the enviro-Malthusians.

The goofs on the Weather Channel can't tell anyone with any certainty what the weather is going to be like next week. Yet, change the title from "meteorologist" to "climatologist" and somehow those eggheads can tell us with certainty what the weather is going to be like 20 years from now.

And not a one of them has explained the cooling that has occurred since '98, even though the CO2 levels are supposedly continuing to rise.

What cooling???? Don't you Kool-Aid drinkers know that the decade from 1999 to 2008 has been the warmest decade in the history of direct instrument measurement?

 

[Oddball]

Read it and weep, numbnuts:

Satellite Data : Temps FALLING Since 1998, declining to 1983 levels...

 

[edthecynic]

Read it and weep, numbnuts:

Satellite Data : Temps FALLING Since 1998, declining to 1983 levels...

the newly revised figures for US surface temperatures showing that the 1930s had four of the 10 warmest years of the past century, with the hottest year of all being not 1998, as was previously claimed, but 1934.

Maybe YOU should have read it FIRST, Kool-Aid Kid.
CON$ are tooooooo STUPID to know the difference between the US and the whole globe.

 

[code1211]

You are both silly asses. Nobody has claimed the sun has nothing to do with warming and cooling. What has been observed is that the total solar irradiance has not increased in the last 50 years, while the amount of warming has. The fact that there is a cooling during a solar minimum has never been in question. In fact, the combination of a solar minimum and a strong and persistant La Nina should have produced some real cool years in 2007, and 2008. But both were in the top ten as far as warm years go. They should have been at least in the mid range for the last 150 years, 50th to 70th warmest, not in the top 10. As the solar cycle ramps up again and the inevitable El Nino arrives, we will see years that exceed 1998 and 2005. And then you silly asses will be back to claiming it is because of the sun increasing TSI, even though the average TSI remains the same. You fellows just cannot keep your logic or stories straight.

Again, you are measuring geologic change with a stop watch. The TSI has undeniably been rising since about 1700 and the temperature has risen with it. The temperature cratered due to the drop of TSI in about 1600 and before. This drop was the result of TSI falling. The rise is due to TSI increasing.

The TSI has been at its historic high for the 50 years over which you say it has not increased. It really doesn't need to when it's already higher than it's ever been. See link #1 below.

Should have been cooler than 150 years ago? Not according to TSI. However, the TSI has dropped over the recent several years and so has tempearture. CO2 continued to rise. What do you gleen from this?


http://biocab.org/ISI_Lean___Loehle.jpg
Solar Irradiance Anomalies and Climate

 

[Ravi]

Ok for years now we have listened to the environuts claim the sun had nothing or almost nothing to do with the minor heating we have experienced up until 2000.

Now we are being told by these same people that the Sun IS causing a cooling period, eliminating the heating trend.

My question is, If the Sun had no real impact on HEATING the planet, why can these same people now claim with straight faces it is causing the heating to stop?

wtf? No offense, RGS, but you are a retard. I've never heard anyone claim that the sun has no impact on heating the planet.

 

[code1211]

Read it and weep, numbnuts:

Satellite Data : Temps FALLING Since 1998, declining to 1983 levels...

the newly revised figures for US surface temperatures showing that the 1930s had four of the 10 warmest years of the past century, with the hottest year of all being not 1998, as was previously claimed, but 1934.

Maybe YOU should have read it FIRST, Kool-Aid Kid.
CON$ are tooooooo STUPID to know the difference between the US and the whole globe.

Here's the whole world:

http://rankexploits.com/musings/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/uahvsrss2000.jpg

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Ok for years now we have listened to the environuts claim the sun had nothing or almost nothing to do with the minor heating we have experienced up until 2000.

Now we are being told by these same people that the Sun IS causing a cooling period, eliminating the heating trend.

My question is, If the Sun had no real impact on HEATING the planet, why can these same people now claim with straight faces it is causing the heating to stop?

wtf? No offense, RGS, but you are a retard. I've never heard anyone claim that the sun has no impact on heating the planet.

MORONS indeed. We on this board have SEEN the arguments where it was put forward that since the OTHER planets in the solar system are heating the sun is the common denominator only to be told the Sun did not cause the recent rise in temperature from the 80's to the 90's. Further the raise in temperature over the period 1900 to 2000 was not abnormal at all. It falls right in the range of the rise predicted in the early parts of the 1900's based on the rise in temperature the previous centuries.

The only concern was the fact a lot of the 1 degree rise occurred in a short period, 80's to 90's, 20 years. And now with temperatures falling we have the same retards "adjusting" the records to claim the temperature is still rising. Of course do not ask them how they determined how to adjust those temperatures.

The man made global warming lie is so weak that every time a theory is put forth it is destroyed by science but then the believers ignore the science. So weak that scientists supporting the theory resort to cheap lies, remember the Hockey Stick Graph? Published and repeated as fact until a few years later the simple fact it was not true was finally forced on the papers and groups supporting it. So easily proven wrong that it should never have been published in the first place. So easily proven wrong it should not have taken years to disprove it.

CO2 does not lead temperature historically, Temperature leads CO2. There is no proof at all that man made CO2 is causing a sudden rise in temperature at all. The science does not back up the claim. And with the current cooling as CO2 continues to rise anyone with a functioning brain cell can see CO2 is not the cause.

The idea that one can predict the rise of temperature based on a single 20 year period is ignorant and completely unscientific.

 

[Oddball]

Read it and weep, numbnuts:

Satellite Data : Temps FALLING Since 1998, declining to 1983 levels...

the newly revised figures for US surface temperatures showing that the 1930s had four of the 10 warmest years of the past century, with the hottest year of all being not 1998, as was previously claimed, but 1934.

Maybe YOU should have read it FIRST, Kool-Aid Kid.
CON$ are tooooooo STUPID to know the difference between the US and the whole globe.

Here's the whole world:

http://rankexploits.com/musings/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/uahvsrss2000.jpg

Golly....All them lines seem to be trending lower, too!!

I wonder who's been the one drinking -maybe even snorting- the Kool-Aid now??

 

[edthecynic]

Read it and weep, numbnuts:

Satellite Data : Temps FALLING Since 1998, declining to 1983 levels...

the newly revised figures for US surface temperatures showing that the 1930s had four of the 10 warmest years of the past century, with the hottest year of all being not 1998, as was previously claimed, but 1934.

Maybe YOU should have read it FIRST, Kool-Aid Kid.
CON$ are tooooooo STUPID to know the difference between the US and the whole globe.

Here's the whole world:

http://rankexploits.com/musings/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/uahvsrss2000.jpg

The whole world but up in the Troposphere, not the surface temps. And it's not like you don't know it's the Troposphere because you tried this deliberate deception on the AOL boards and I caught you then too. What makes you think the same dishonesty would be any more successful here?

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein

 

[Oddball]

Yes, yes, yes...We get much better measurements of ambient temperatures from thermometers stationed in urban areas, nearby A/C condensers.

 

[Liability]

Read it and weep, numbnuts:

Satellite Data : Temps FALLING Since 1998, declining to 1983 levels...

the newly revised figures for US surface temperatures showing that the 1930s had four of the 10 warmest years of the past century, with the hottest year of all being not 1998, as was previously claimed, but 1934.

Maybe YOU should have read it FIRST, Kool-Aid Kid.
CON$ are tooooooo STUPID to know the difference between the US and the whole globe.

Yes. Because temperature dropping in the US is certainly ISOLATED.

Don't let facts get in your way.

It would be a shock to your system.

 

[edthecynic]

Maybe YOU should have read it FIRST, Kool-Aid Kid.
CON$ are tooooooo STUPID to know the difference between the US and the whole globe.

Here's the whole world:

http://rankexploits.com/musings/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/uahvsrss2000.jpg

Golly....All them lines seem to be trending lower, too!!

I wonder who's been the one drinking -maybe even snorting- the Kool-Aid now??

But it's no wonder that the gullible fool who is too STUPID to know the difference between the US and the entire globe would be too drunk on their Kool-Aid to know the difference between the Troposphere and the surface on the Globe!!!
Why would you continue to believe people who are obviously deliberately trying to deceive you??????

 

[Oddball]

Code 1211 linked to a GLOBAL chart, numbnuts....Which has also trends lower from about the same time.

Now, go snort your Kool-Aid.

 

[edthecynic]

Read it and weep, numbnuts:

Satellite Data : Temps FALLING Since 1998, declining to 1983 levels...

the newly revised figures for US surface temperatures showing that the 1930s had four of the 10 warmest years of the past century, with the hottest year of all being not 1998, as was previously claimed, but 1934.

Maybe YOU should have read it FIRST, Kool-Aid Kid.
CON$ are tooooooo STUPID to know the difference between the US and the whole globe.

Yes. Because temperature dropping in the US is certainly ISOLATED.

Don't let facts get in your way.

It would be a shock to your system.

It would help you if you actually knew the facts.

 

[edthecynic]

Code 1211 linked to a GLOBAL chart, numbnuts....Which has also trends lower from about the same time.

Now, go snort your Kool-Aid.

And I told him and you that it is a chart of the TROPOSPHERE and not surface temps. I don't live 2 miles high like you!!!
Why are you STUPID enough to keep swallowing the Kool-Aid from people you have to know are DELIBERATELY lying to you???