A question for the anti-choice crowd.

[Czernobog]

Murder is still murder.

True. So, what do you suppose should happen to a woman who contracts a doctor to "commit murder"?

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The exact same thing that happens to any woman who contracts with a hitman to kill her husband. Why is this so difficult for you?

Yeah, we already got your woman-hating opinion. I was asking for 2aguy's opinion.

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[P@triot]

Yeah...I think you missed my scepticism that any hospital would ever offer a doctor surgical privileges who was not trained in abortion procedures. But, hey, if you're okay with a doctor spending all that money getting his PhD, while never being able to get privileges at a hospital to practice, more power to him/her.

Clearly, like all progressives, you're completely ignorant about what an abortion is. Because it is the furthest thing from a "surgical procedure" imaginable. Any hack can shove clamps up a woman's vagina and smash the skull of the infant in there then pull it out limb by limb.

The fact that you even consider something so barbaric "surgical" is, in itself, fall down hilarious. It shows how uninformed you are and how you swallow the progressive propaganda as quickly as they can feed it to you.

The only one clueless is you. Toddle on back to the corner and your factless masturbation.

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A little upset over your ignorance being exposed? Maybe next time, don't make shit up. Maybe next time, try fact checking your progressive propaganda porn instead of slurping it down.

 

[P@triot]

Murder is still murder.

True. So, what do you suppose should happen to a woman who contracts a doctor to "commit murder"?

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The exact same thing that happens to any woman who contracts with a hitman to kill her husband. Why is this so difficult for you?

Yeah, we already got your woman-hating opinion. I was asking for 2aguy's opinion.

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Your the one who hates women - you support them being killed in the womb. You want to execute them as soon as possible. As far as 2AGuy. How dumb are you to ask him that question? He's already clearly cited that it is murder. We all know what happens to someone when they commit murder. So why would you ask such a stupid question?

 

[jc456]

Okay. Now, this is a question specifically directed towards the anti-choice activists. Let us begin with the most common premise of the anti-choice folks: A fetus is a person. Abortion is killing a person without justification. Ergo, abortion is essentially state sanctioned murder. (Now, let us be clear, I Do. NOT agree with this premise, at all. However, it is the premise of nearly every anti-choice advocate. So, to follow this position to its logical conclusion, we are going to allow this premise from the outset.)

So, we have established that a fetus is a person, and abortion is equivalent to murder. Proceeding from that premise, there are actually two people involved in the planning, and executing of said murder - the doctor, and the pregnant woman. Now, the anti-choice advocates have made no secret of their contempt for the doctors who participate in abortions, Oklahoma going so far as to pass a new law criminalizing abortions, and levying heavy penalties against the doctors who participate. However, no one, including Oklahoma, seems interested in punishing, or even acknowledging, the pregnant woman's role in this action. So. What about her? What punishment is reasonable for a woman who contracts a medical professional to murder her unborn child?

Is that you? Why don't you agree that the baby has a choice?

 

[jc456]

Murder is still murder.

True. So, what do you suppose should happen to a woman who contracts a doctor to "commit murder"?

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The exact same thing that happens to any woman who contracts with a hitman to kill her husband. Why is this so difficult for you?

Yeah, we already got your woman-hating opinion. I was asking for 2aguy's opinion.

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again, why is it you're advertising your anti-choice for the babies?

 

[P@triot]

Yeah, we already got your woman-hating opinion. I was asking for 2aguy's opinion.

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again, why is it you're advertising your anti-choice for the babies?

He hates babies as much as he hates women...

 

[2aguy]

And I am not, in any way, suggesting that you should not live your life in accordance with whatever moral code you believe to be important. However, you also do not have the right to dictate that everyone else ive in accordance with that moral code.

You keep responding as if you believe that I want to prevent you from living your personal life in accordance with your personal moral code. I don't. I just don't want to live in a Theocracy where you get to dictate that moral code to everyone else.

The reason why you get replies like that from that person and people like it, is because they are deep in projection. They expect everyone else to be like them.

That person wants to force everyone to live the same way that person lives so that person expects others to do the same thing. That person doesn't understand the "live and let live" idea of life. Nor does that person understand the meaning or concept of freedom.

That person believes that everyone is free to believe and live just the same way that person believes and lives.

All right wingers I've ever encountered are just like the person you're replying to.

So...in your live and let live world.....Doctors will not have to under go abortion training to graduate from medical school if it goes against their beliefs? Pharmacists won't have to give drugs that induce abortion if it goes against their religious or secular beliefs about life...right?

Or does your belief in live and let live only count when they do what you say....since 100 million men, women and children have been murdered by left wingers who didn't believe in live and let live....right?

Vote for Trump....Save America...

I'm fine with doctors not getting abortion training. Now, getting a hospital to give a doctor surgical privileges who is not fully trained in all surgical practices? Well, that would be between them, and the hospitals, now wouldn't it it?

As far as pharmacists refusing to fill prescriptions, so long as they can, and will direct patients to pharmacists who will, more power to them.

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Good...we agree on something.....

Yeah...I think you missed my scepticism that any hospital would ever offer a doctor surgical privileges who was not trained in abortion procedures. But, hey, if you're okay with a doctor spending all that money getting his PhD, while never being able to get privileges at a hospital to practice, more power to him/her.

It isn't a Ph.D...it is an M.D......Ph.Ds get upset if you make the mistake....

Abortion violates the oath...First do no harm.....so no, Doctors should not be made to do abortions to become Doctors.....

 

[2aguy]

The reason why you get replies like that from that person and people like it, is because they are deep in projection. They expect everyone else to be like them.

That person wants to force everyone to live the same way that person lives so that person expects others to do the same thing. That person doesn't understand the "live and let live" idea of life. Nor does that person understand the meaning or concept of freedom.

That person believes that everyone is free to believe and live just the same way that person believes and lives.

All right wingers I've ever encountered are just like the person you're replying to.

So...in your live and let live world.....Doctors will not have to under go abortion training to graduate from medical school if it goes against their beliefs? Pharmacists won't have to give drugs that induce abortion if it goes against their religious or secular beliefs about life...right?

Or does your belief in live and let live only count when they do what you say....since 100 million men, women and children have been murdered by left wingers who didn't believe in live and let live....right?

Vote for Trump....Save America...

I'm fine with doctors not getting abortion training. Now, getting a hospital to give a doctor surgical privileges who is not fully trained in all surgical practices? Well, that would be between them, and the hospitals, now wouldn't it it?

As far as pharmacists refusing to fill prescriptions, so long as they can, and will direct patients to pharmacists who will, more power to them.

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Requiring all doctors to be fully trained in all surgical practices is not practical.

Doctors who perform surgery usually specialize. There are general surgeons but they usually work ER. Or remove an appendix or something like that. When something specific needs to be done or when it's an emergency a specialist is called.

All the things that are listed in your post are just more roadblocks to women who want to exercise their constitutional right to freedom of choice.

If a pharmacist doesn't want to do their job then they need to find another job. Or at least have someone on site that is willing to do the job if the pharmacist isn't. No one should be denied legal medication that's prescribed by a doctor for any reason. It's not the pharmacist to determine what drugs someone should or shouldn't take. That's up to the doctor and patient.

Murder is still murder.

True. So, what do you suppose should happen to a woman who contracts a doctor to "commit murder"?

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Go to jail...since she can carry the baby to term and leave it at a Fire Station...the only exception would be the life of the mother.....the actual life of the mother, not some made up malady to excuse killing the baby....

 

[Czernobog]

Yeah...I think you missed my scepticism that any hospital would ever offer a doctor surgical privileges who was not trained in abortion procedures. But, hey, if you're okay with a doctor spending all that money getting his PhD, while never being able to get privileges at a hospital to practice, more power to him/her.

Clearly, like all progressives, you're completely ignorant about what an abortion is. Because it is the furthest thing from a "surgical procedure" imaginable. Any hack can shove clamps up a woman's vagina and smash the skull of the infant in there then pull it out limb by limb.

The fact that you even consider something so barbaric "surgical" is, in itself, fall down hilarious. It shows how uninformed you are and how you swallow the progressive propaganda as quickly as they can feed it to you.

The only one clueless is you. Toddle on back to the corner and your factless masturbation.

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A little upset over your ignorance being exposed? Maybe next time, don't make shit up. Maybe next time, try fact checking your progressive propaganda porn instead of slurping it down.

The only one babbling like a lunatic is you. Instead of babbling Luke a lunatic maybe you should go and actually learn what happens during g a real abortion, and quit watching those Infowar horror films.

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[Czernobog]

Now, there have been several on this thread who seem very much to want their lawmakers to support changing the laws so that women who seek abortions be charged with murder.

My next question is, when are you going to start demanding that your political candidates publicly take this position when campaigning for office?

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[Anathema]

My next question is, when are you going to start demanding that your political candidates publicly take this position when campaigning for office?

Some of us already do..... that's why we refuse to vote for Republicans as much as Democrats.

 

[Dana7360]

Now, there have been several on this thread who seem very much to want their lawmakers to support changing the laws so that women who seek abortions be charged with murder.

My next question is, when are you going to start demanding that your political candidates publicly take this position when campaigning for office?

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My question is when will the man who got her pregnant be held responsible?

If a woman is going to be charged with murder for having an abortion then the man who made her pregnant should also face the same murder charges.

 

[Jarlaxle]

So...in your live and let live world.....Doctors will not have to under go abortion training to graduate from medical school if it goes against their beliefs? Pharmacists won't have to give drugs that induce abortion if it goes against their religious or secular beliefs about life...right?

Or does your belief in live and let live only count when they do what you say....since 100 million men, women and children have been murdered by left wingers who didn't believe in live and let live....right?

Vote for Trump....Save America...

I'm fine with doctors not getting abortion training. Now, getting a hospital to give a doctor surgical privileges who is not fully trained in all surgical practices? Well, that would be between them, and the hospitals, now wouldn't it it?

As far as pharmacists refusing to fill prescriptions, so long as they can, and will direct patients to pharmacists who will, more power to them.

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Requiring all doctors to be fully trained in all surgical practices is not practical.

Doctors who perform surgery usually specialize. There are general surgeons but they usually work ER. Or remove an appendix or something like that. When something specific needs to be done or when it's an emergency a specialist is called.

All the things that are listed in your post are just more roadblocks to women who want to exercise their constitutional right to freedom of choice.

If a pharmacist doesn't want to do their job then they need to find another job. Or at least have someone on site that is willing to do the job if the pharmacist isn't. No one should be denied legal medication that's prescribed by a doctor for any reason. It's not the pharmacist to determine what drugs someone should or shouldn't take. That's up to the doctor and patient.

Murder is still murder.

True. So, what do you suppose should happen to a woman who contracts a doctor to "commit murder"?

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Go to jail...since she can carry the baby to term and leave it at a Fire Station...the only exception would be the life of the mother.....the actual life of the mother, not some made up malady to excuse killing the baby....

Any woman can self-abort if determined to do so.

 

[2aguy]

Now, there have been several on this thread who seem very much to want their lawmakers to support changing the laws so that women who seek abortions be charged with murder.

My next question is, when are you going to start demanding that your political candidates publicly take this position when campaigning for office?

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My question is when will the man who got her pregnant be held responsible?

If a woman is going to be charged with murder for having an abortion then the man who made her pregnant should also face the same murder charges.

Not if he has nothing to do with it...but right now...he pays for the child if he wants to be the parent or not.....

 

[2aguy]

Now, there have been several on this thread who seem very much to want their lawmakers to support changing the laws so that women who seek abortions be charged with murder.

My next question is, when are you going to start demanding that your political candidates publicly take this position when campaigning for office?

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They need to do it now...

 

[Czernobog]

Now, there have been several on this thread who seem very much to want their lawmakers to support changing the laws so that women who seek abortions be charged with murder.

My next question is, when are you going to start demanding that your political candidates publicly take this position when campaigning for office?

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They need to do it now...

So, you are withholding your support from candidates who do not take this position publicly?

 

[P@triot]

Now, there have been several on this thread who seem very much to want their lawmakers to support changing the laws so that women who seek abortions be charged with murder.

My next question is, when are you going to start demanding that your political candidates publicly take this position when campaigning for office?

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Immediately. Because we're not disingenuous cowards like you progressives.

 

[Czernobog]

Now, there have been several on this thread who seem very much to want their lawmakers to support changing the laws so that women who seek abortions be charged with murder.

My next question is, when are you going to start demanding that your political candidates publicly take this position when campaigning for office?

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Immediately. Because we're not disingenuous cowards like you progressives.

So, what candidates for, say, the Senate, are you supporting? Because I know of none who are publicly supporting the position you are here supporting.

 

[P@triot]

Now, there have been several on this thread who seem very much to want their lawmakers to support changing the laws so that women who seek abortions be charged with murder.

My next question is, when are you going to start demanding that your political candidates publicly take this position when campaigning for office?

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Immediately. Because we're not disingenuous cowards like you progressives.

So, what candidates for, say, the Senate, are you supporting? Because I know of none who are publicly supporting the position you are here supporting.

I always support the most conservative.

 

[Czernobog]

Now, there have been several on this thread who seem very much to want their lawmakers to support changing the laws so that women who seek abortions be charged with murder.

My next question is, when are you going to start demanding that your political candidates publicly take this position when campaigning for office?

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Immediately. Because we're not disingenuous cowards like you progressives.

So, what candidates for, say, the Senate, are you supporting? Because I know of none who are publicly supporting the position you are here supporting.

I always support the most conservative.

But, even the most conservative candidates in any race is not publicly (or even privately, for that matter) taking the position you are espousing on abortion. so, you are still not supporting a candidate who is proposing the position you want.