A question for neocons on this board

[RadiomanATL]

What's a "neocon"?

Oh, wow, let me help.

If can use the following words interchangeably to describe our president, but don't know what they mean:

Fascist
Nazi
Communist
Racist
Socialist

If you want more wars.

If you believe that Iraq is a success.

If you believe that only rich people create jobs.

If you believe that Fox news is "fair and balanced".

If you believe that science is a "faith".

If you believe that religion is an alternative to science.

If you believe the Noah's Ark is a historical event.

If you believe that Sarah Palin is "smart".

If you believed that George Bush and John McCain were "smart".

If you hate gays, blacks, feminists, Hispanics and other "non Americans".

If you are against government run health care but love Medicare and Medicaid.

If you believe torture worked.

If you agree with all these things, then you are a right wing neo-con.

Well, according to those constraints I imagine that there must only be one...maybe two..."neocons" in our country.

So why is everybody so upset over these 2 guys? Leave them alone.

 

[SFC Ollie]

If there were drugs that could "cure" you of neoconservatism, that is, a medication that was effective in recalibrating the chemical process that leads to close-minded nationalism, racism, classism and war-mongering, would you take it?

I recognize that the Christians have failed miserably in their WWJD programs, but I wonder if science held forth such a "solution" (If some would considered it a solution) would you opt for it?

I am a conservative for the most part, I am pretty strong in my beliefs so I could ba a bit close minded, I am definitely patriotic so I could have some nationalism in there, no racism around here though, we have Caucasian, Puerto Rican Mexican and black in my immediate family, Classicism is in the eye of the beholder, I am very rich but can't go out and buy a new car without a loan; war-monger, naw, I am a soldier we don't really like war, wished it never had to happen but when it does we went, we took names, we kicked ass. Take a pill to change anything? No way Jose. Oh yes and a mans religion is his business not yours nor mine.

 

[Luissa]

A simplistic description of what one actually is is a Goldwater Republican without the isolationism - updated with the realization that the USA is no island in this smaller world and has no issues with using force when it is in our best interests security-wise and strategically.

I am pretty sure Goldwater is the opposite of a neo con.

I'm pretty sure it's not the opposite, but it is not the same, either - as I said.

Anyone familiar with Krauthammer's views knows what a neocon is (before the left mangled the term, that is). It has nothing to do with religion, nothing to do with socioeconomic class, nothing to do with racism. That is just spewing without thought.

The libertarian base is present in the philosophy, yet it is tempered with a lack of isolationism common to the libertarian view.

I know religion doesn't have anything to do with it, those are chrisitan conservatives who Goldwater forecasted to take over the republican party. Goldwater was a true conservative.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Riddle me this Libtards:

If there was a drug you could take to make you lose your Libtardedness, would you take it or would you be too stupid to figure out how to open the pill bottle?

 

[SFC Ollie]

And for the poor souls who really haven't a clue

NEO = New

CON = Conservative

 

[Luissa]

Riddle me this Libratds:

If there was a drug you could take to make you lose your Libtardedness, would you take it or would you be too stupid to figure out how to open the pill bottle?

we don't take pills, we smoke our medication.

 

[Si modo]

I am pretty sure Goldwater is the opposite of a neo con.

I'm pretty sure it's not the opposite, but it is not the same, either - as I said.

Anyone familiar with Krauthammer's views knows what a neocon is (before the left mangled the term, that is). It has nothing to do with religion, nothing to do with socioeconomic class, nothing to do with racism. That is just spewing without thought.

The libertarian base is present in the philosophy, yet it is tempered with a lack of isolationism common to the libertarian view.

I know religion doesn't have anything to do with, those are chrisitan conservatives who Goldwater forecasted to take over the republican party. Goldwater was a true conservative.

The neocon philosophy has nothing to do with Christian conservatism. Nothing. In fact, the originators of the neocon philosophy were/are mostly Jewish and atheist.

This sort of ignorance about the neoconservative philosophy in the OP is exactly what has cased the term to have little meaning. So many are willing to make the most baseless comments about what a neocon is.

 

[Contessa_Sharra]

I'm not even sure WHAT a Neo-con is. Apparently, anytime anyone says anything that a Liberal disagrees with, that speaker is a neo con. It seems that if a Liberal calls someone a neo con, that about the worst thing a person can be called.

Any response after that label is applied is not heard because it was issued by a neo con and not worthy of being heard.

A Neo-con is a politically correct name to call a jew without being labeled an anti-semite.

Are Delay, Lott, Armey Jewish? Guiliani? Romney? Fred Thompson?

 

[Si modo]

And, the funny thing is, I am not on Huggy's list. LOL.

I was there for a fleeting day or two.

 

[Luissa]

I'm pretty sure it's not the opposite, but it is not the same, either - as I said.

Anyone familiar with Krauthammer's views knows what a neocon is (before the left mangled the term, that is). It has nothing to do with religion, nothing to do with socioeconomic class, nothing to do with racism. That is just spewing without thought.

The libertarian base is present in the philosophy, yet it is tempered with a lack of isolationism common to the libertarian view.

I know religion doesn't have anything to do with it, those are chrisitan conservatives who Goldwater forecasted to take over the republican party. Goldwater was a true conservative.

The neocon philosophy has nothing to do with Christian conservatism. Nothing. In fact, the originators of the neocon philosophy were/are mostly Jewish and atheist.

No offense, but this sort of ignorance about the neoconservative philosophy is exactly what has cased the term to have little meaning. So many are willing to make the most baseless comments about what a neocon is.

I just said religion does not have anything to do with it. geez!

 

[Si modo]

I know religion doesn't have anything to do with it, those are chrisitan conservatives who Goldwater forecasted to take over the republican party. Goldwater was a true conservative.

The neocon philosophy has nothing to do with Christian conservatism. Nothing. In fact, the originators of the neocon philosophy were/are mostly Jewish and atheist.

No offense, but this sort of ignorance about the neoconservative philosophy is exactly what has cased the term to have little meaning. So many are willing to make the most baseless comments about what a neocon is.

I just said religion does not have anything to do with it. geez!

I know Luissa. So sorry. I edited to change it so that it didn't look like I was accusing you. More the OP's rhetoric is ignorant.

 

[Oddball]

The godfather of modern-day neo-conservatism is considered to be Irving Kristol, father of Bill Kristol, who set the stage in 1983 with his publication Reflections of a Neoconservative. In this book, Kristol also defends the traditional liberal position on welfare.

More important than the names of people affiliated with neo-conservatism are the views they adhere to. Here is a brief summary of the general understanding of what neocons believe:

1. They agree with Trotsky on permanent revolution, violent as well as intellectual.

2. They are for redrawing the map of the Middle East and are willing to use force to do so.

3. They believe in preemptive war to achieve desired ends.

4. They accept the notion that the ends justify the means – that hard-ball politics is a moral necessity.

5.They express no opposition to the welfare state.

6. They are not bashful about an American empire; instead they strongly endorse it.

7. They believe lying is necessary for the state to survive.

8. They believe a powerful federal government is a benefit.

9.They believe pertinent facts about how a society should be run should be held by the elite and withheld from those who do not have the courage to deal with it.

10. They believe neutrality in foreign affairs is ill-advised.

11. They hold Leo Strauss in high esteem.

12.They believe imperialism, if progressive in nature, is appropriate.

13. Using American might to force American ideals on others is acceptable. Force should not be limited to the defense of our country.

14. 9-11 resulted from the lack of foreign entanglements, not from too many.

15. They dislike and despise libertarians (therefore, the same applies to all strict constitutionalists.)

16. They endorse attacks on civil liberties, such as those found in the Patriot Act, as being necessary.

17. They unconditionally support Israel and have a close alliance with the Likud Party.

Various organizations and publications over the last 30 years have played a significant role in the rise to power of the neoconservatives. It took plenty of money and commitment to produce the intellectual arguments needed to convince the many participants in the movement of its respectability.

We've Been Neo-Conned by Rep. Ron Paul

The Special Orders floor speech:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aewpvcxAwTk]YouTube - Neo-CONNED! by Congressman Ron Paul - Part 1 of 11[/ame]

 

[Luissa]

The neocon philosophy has nothing to do with Christian conservatism. Nothing. In fact, the originators of the neocon philosophy were/are mostly Jewish and atheist.

No offense, but this sort of ignorance about the neoconservative philosophy is exactly what has cased the term to have little meaning. So many are willing to make the most baseless comments about what a neocon is.

I just said religion does not have anything to do with it. geez!

I know Luissa. So sorry. I edited to change it so that it didn't look like I was accusing you. More the OP's rhetoric is ignorant.

it's cool!
and Mani was just doing a spoof on another thread that asked if you were homosexual would you take a pill to cure that.

 

[manifold]

Run from what?

You tell me.

 

[Si modo]

I just said religion does not have anything to do with it. geez!

I know Luissa. So sorry. I edited to change it so that it didn't look like I was accusing you. More the OP's rhetoric is ignorant.

it's cool!
and Mani was just doing a spoof on another thread that asked if you were homosexual would you take a pill to cure that.

LOL. Oh, I missed that thread and took this seriously.


And why not...it's in the 'Politics' forum.

Doesn't he have a sandbox somewhere?

 

[RadiomanATL]

Run from what?

You tell me.

I dunno.

?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22yHMCjNtk8]YouTube - Bon Jovi - Runaway[/ame]

 

[JakeStarkey]

Many neocons lie as to what they are, just as communists did, or even better than Judas lied.

Here is something for you liars. "Neoconservatism is a political philosophy that emerged in the United States of America, and which supports using American economic and military power to bring liberalism, democracy, and human rights to other countries.[1][2][3] In economics, unlike traditionalist conservatives, neoconservatives are generally comfortable with a welfare state; and, while rhetorically supportive of free markets, they are willing to interfere for overriding social purposes.[4]"
Neoconservatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In other words, they pretend to free-market and diplomatic conservatism, when in fact they are big government internationalists and interventionists. Their policies from 2001 to 2006 nearly brought the US to its knees by late last fall until the American public regained its senses and threw them out of office.

 

[Oddball]

By your definition, your matinee idol Boyking president is a neocon, too, dimwit.

Well, without the pretense that he cares a wit about freedom and free enterprise.

 

[Si modo]

Many neocons lie as to what they are, just as communists did, or even better than Judas lied.

Here is something for you liars. "Neoconservatism is a political philosophy that emerged in the United States of America, and which supports using American economic and military power to bring liberalism, democracy, and human rights to other countries.[1][2][3] In economics, unlike traditionalist conservatives, neoconservatives are generally comfortable with a welfare state; and, while rhetorically supportive of free markets, they are willing to interfere for overriding social purposes.[4]"
Neoconservatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In other words, they pretend to free-market and diplomatic conservatism, when in fact they are big government internationalists and interventionists. Their policies from 2001 to 2006 nearly brought the US to its knees by late last fall until the American public regained its senses and threw them out of office.

Wikipedia at one time did have a decent description of the neocon philosophy.

Unfortunately, the libtards can participate in writing entries, too.

Read a few books and some works from neocons on the philosophy and get a clue.

What a conspiratorial nature you have. But, I'll be sure to let those who know the secret handshake know to keep an eye on you. We have a meeting tomorrow.

 

[Sidestreamer]

If there were drugs that could "cure" you of neoconservatism, that is, a medication that was effective in recalibrating the chemical process that leads to close-minded nationalism, racism, classism and war-mongering, would you take it?

I recognize that the Christians have failed miserably in their WWJD programs, but I wonder if science held forth such a "solution" (If some would considered it a solution) would you opt for it?

Who is a neocon around here?

It's anybody who disagrees with Huggy.