A Proposal related to Citizenship

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    I think by now most of you know that I am not a believer in Birthright Citizenship, or the idea that American Citizenship should be a Right at all, but rather a Privilege. I've been asked how it should work in my mind. Well, here goes....

    Individuals born of two (2) parents who are American Citizens, and who are born inside the borders of the United States would be considered Citizens-In-Waiting. On their eighteenth birthday, or the day after they finish high school (whichever is later) they would be requested to report for three years of National Service. This service would include: all five branches of the US military and most other departments in the Federal Government. Preference in postings would be granted to those with a clean criminal history and those whose school record and extracurricular activities were better than others. After the three years of National Service these individuals who have served honorably would be granted Full Citizenship and all the Privileges that go with it. Those who are unable to fulfill the service in an honorable manner or who choose not to serve at all would be denied Citizenship and thereafter restrained from getting any of the benefits of Citizenship. The only exception to this service would be for young women who would instead prefer to attend three years of "Finishing School" where they would be taught proper home-making skills. These young ladies would be required to pass a competency exam at the end of the three years and would become probationary Citizens from the end of that time until they married a Citizen. If they chose to marry a non-citizen or did not marry at all within five (5) years of the end of their training, they would lose their probationary Citizenship permanently.

    Individuals who were born of less than two (2) parents who were American Citizens or who were born outside of the United States would have to apply, before age 18 for the opportunity to engage in National Service. To do so they would have to prove they no longer had ANY connection to the location where they were born or the homeland of their non-Citizen parent (and haven't for at least 5 years); speak, read, and write English fluently, have (or will have before entering service) a high school diploma or GED. If they meet those standards, they are allowed into the normal National Service track to Citizenship.

    Individuals who were not born to American Citizens and who were not born in the United States but arrive in the US prior to their 10th birthday would be required to prove the same things as the individuals in the previous category with the following addition.... Have not had any contact with anyone outside the United States in a minimum of eight (8) years; and are not eligible for any military or paramilitary service options.

    Individuals who were not born to American Citizens and who were not born in the United States but arrive in the US after to their 10th birthday but before their 17th birthday would be required to prove the same things as the individuals in the previous category with the following addition.... Have not had any contact with anyone outside the United States since their arrival in the United States; and are not eligible for any military or paramilitary service options. Upon completion of their National Service these individuals become probationary Citizens for a period of five (5) years. Any arrest or evidence of contact with individuals in a foreign country during that time would invalidate their Citizenship status.

    Individuals who came to the United States after their 17th birthday would not have the option to be involved in the National Service program. To gain US Citizenship they would be required to prove a minimum of ten (10) years without any foreign contact, pass english, basic math, and American history exams, renounce any allegience to any foreign country and/or non-governmental organization, and prove a minimum of a seven (7) consecutive year employment record at or above the minimum wage.

    Go right ahead and rip it apart folks. Have fun.
     
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    When you fix these "crimes of association" with foreigners, maybe we'll get further... But I'm NOT in favor of "forced service".

    In fact, the idea of Washington, D.C. overrun with teenagers with little or no work experience kinda appeals to my comical side. Could be better than your average insurrection...
     
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    That's not going to happen.

    There's no FORCED service anywhere in there. If you don't want to be a Citizen, you don't have to do a damn thing. Of course, you also don't get to exercise the Privileges of Free Speech and Gun Ownership, or the Right to a Fair and Speedy Trial, but hey you made the decision yourself.

    The entire workforce wouldn't be made up of 18-21 year olds. Some of those people might even choose to stay on and make a career out of whatever job it is they did their service in. Everyone would get an inside look at how the country truly operates. Honestly, I don't really see all that much of a downside to it.
     
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    No, it speaks clearly for itself.

    Otherwise, such posts make me extremely glad we live in a Constitutional Republic and not a democracy. Very glad.
     
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    Simple question...

    What do you do with the people born in the US who do not meet your strict citizenship requirements?
     
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    You'll need to amend the US Constitution. That will require 2/3 affirmative vote from Congress and 3/4 of the states to ratify it. Good luck.
     
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    You are basically creating sparta, or a more stringent version of the world in starship troopers. At least in starship troopers the only thing you didnt get to do without citizenship was vote. Only the franchise was an exclusive citizen right.

    It smacks almost of eugenics, with a fascistic oligarchism thrown in.
     
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    Actually this is part of a series of things I believe should be included in a NEW Constitution that would be written after the violent overthrow of the Government by people who actually comprehend what morals, values, and common decency are.

    marty, you're right it is very much an Authoritarian style of though. Gee, maybe that's because I am an Authoritarian (and have never claimed to be anything else). The concept does have a lot in common with Heinlein's "Starship Troopers" world. Oh, and I seem to remember the Spartans doing fairly well for themselves also.
     
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    Authoritarianism is great......so long as you're one of the ones in power.

    Forced morality is great.....so long as they are your morals.

    I think your ideas might work, not just functionally but in the sense the majority is happy with them, on a small scale. For a nation the size of the US, both in terms of population and landmass, I don't think they are even close to realistic. There is just too much variety in people.
     
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    For a while and then they got beaten by a combination of a slave revolt and outside forces.

    Authoritarianism is great, as long as you are on the side of authority. People living under your system who didnt like it would either leave, or revolt, unless you use methods of control to keep your permanent underclass.
     

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