A proper introduction....

[Nationalismus]

Hello to everyone. I have been looking for a good political board to discuss some issues with people with because I found that the "average joe" out there is either not informed enough or just doesn't care much about Politics.

I am an Intelligence Analyst in the United States Air Force and a Political Science major. My plan is to serve my country until retirement in whatever capacity that may be (inside or outside the military).

As for my views have evolved within the past 2 years to what they are now, after long stint as a very far right Republican.

To start things off, I believe that our country has gone to hell in a handbasket. I also believe that in order to improve our situation it requires drastic, even radical action.

I have always been a far right leaning individual... which is why I've always opposed the general social order that we have in New York State (our education system and high taxes). I believe the best way to classify me is a Paleoconservative that adheres to a National Socialist governing doctrine.

I am very Conservative on social issues. I oppose gay marriage, oppose abortion fervently, am against all these so called "rights for minorities" and affirmative action, equal opportunity nonsense. You can't even say what you feel anymore without fear of offending someone and I'm sick of it. This country was founded by white, land-owning males that fought hard to have a nation of their own on this continent and very few people seem to realise that fact.

However, I am quite Liberal on Financial issues. I believe that people for the most part should look to their government to provide specific services, because in this day and age, quite honestly... it is impossible for millions of people to do that for themselves. Don't get me wrong- I am not an advocate of creating a welfare state, I am talking basic government sponsered programs: Medical, Dental, and a huge government employment program where everyone that is physically able can work for the state.

I also believe that we should eliminate corporations. I believe these leaders of corporations have hijacked democracy, and are basically running and corrupting our country. The difference is, they arent our elected leaders and owe us nothing-- in fact, we are their slaves! We buy their products, use their services, and watch their programs like sheep and no one wants to do a damn thing about it. When a pro-athlete that has trouble speaking proper English makes 20 million a year are there are hard working people that are struggling every day... something needs to be done. I believe the state should take control of this matter. Power needs to be seized from these corporations and not redistrubted to the lower classes as Robin Hood would do, but to the MIDDLE CLASS. Create two classes of society, the governing class (the state) and the middle class. Pretty similar to the middle ages prior to Feudalism. I don't feel that makes me a Communist, I just put my trust in the state a hell of a lot more than I do in these vile corporations.

I think that our country doesnt need to look forward and "change", I think we need to take a look BACK and see what we did to fuck everything up. I believe that somehow down the road, we tossed aside morality in favor of the rights of minorities to do and say what they want without question.

I suppose you could label me as a Facist if you chose to do so. Either way, I think what we need is a very strong leader ( I would even support a Dictator or Monarch if such a thing were ever to come about ) to instill a sense of national pride and civic responsibility that has been lost. I believe that the blending of different minorities, and racial differences in this country has led to a loss of identity and that the white male is now the most looked-down upon race there is. Think about it - what is more acceptable in today's society, a white male who listens to classical music, keeps to himself, speaks proper English, owns a handgun, treats his wife with respect, and believes in his country OR an ignorant black thug (or wigger) who listens to rap, is loud and obnoxius, butchers the English language, treats women like shit, and trashes everything our ancestors fought so hard to defend. I honestly believe firmly that half the trash in this country don't deseve to be Americans and it makes me sick that they are my fellow "countrymen".

I think a form of morality should be adhered to, and that the United States should be split. Our country is so divided politically that it might as well be divided actually. There should at least be a National Socialist Republic where a white male is free to live in peace without these outside influences polluting our media air waves, schools, streets, and childrens with their garbage. Take a look on television, and for one minute tell me things arent completely fucked up. Look at how things were in the 50's... that is what we need to return to.

I'm also fully aware that some more ignorant individuals who undoubtedly exist on this forum will inevitably label me as a racist (those that gleefully ride aboard the Obama bandwagon). Of course, that's just the thing to do this day is dismiss anyone's first amendment rights as "hate speech". Let me tell you first I don't believe that blacks, jews, hispanics or anybody are "lesser" individuals... I simply believe that they should exist within a different entity. Giver those of us that believe in America to rewind the clocks and have our country back, and let everyone who wants the current fucked up state have what they want.

I look forward to some discussion be it private or public, or with agreement or dissent.

 

[KittenKoder]

Essay for an intro ...

 

[editec]

I like an honest national socialist racist

At least we know where they're coming from. I applaude your candor

I'm sure we'll have a swell time educating you about why much of what you think you know is basically wrong.

 

[RodISHI]

I don't feel that makes me a Communist, I just put my trust in the state a hell of a lot more than I do in these vile corporations.

In many cases these are one in the same so you have a long uphill battle.

 

[Nationalismus]

< I like an honest national socialist racist

At least we know where they're coming from. I applaude your candor

I'm sure we'll have a swell time educating you about why much of what you think you know is basically wrong. >


I think my right to say what I want is as important as your likely support of restricting such a thing with political correctness and equal opportunity.

I don't even know what you stand for but I have a good idea from your reply you envision a world that I have lived in long enough to know that the America I love is a thing of the past.

Please do humour me on your attempts to hop aboard the hmm... let me guess, Obama bandwagon? I've just worked 14 hours and could use a good laugh right about now.

 

[RodISHI]

I've just worked 14 hours and could use a good laugh right about now.

Hit the humor section it's your best bet.

 

[Nationalismus]

I'll take a look... I like the looks of this forum already. Seems to be some good, heated debate going on here which is exactly what I'm looking for.

 

[RodISHI]

Not sure if it is really heated. More like the same ole same ole from the same posters on a lot of it. You'll find your favorites I'm sure.

 

[editec]

< I like an honest national socialist racist

At least we know where they're coming from. I applaude your candor

I'm sure we'll have a swell time educating you about why much of what you think you know is basically wrong. >

I think my right to say what I want is as important as your likely support of restricting such a thing with political correctness and equal opportunity.

Rather prsumpitve of you to imagine that I would prevent you from speaking your mind, don't you think?

I don't even know what you stand for but I have a good idea from your reply you envision a world that I have lived in long enough to know that the America I love is a thing of the past.

Leaping to conclusions about who I am and what I stand for is apt to make you look rather foolish.

Please do humour me on your attempts to hop aboard the hmm... let me guess, Obama bandwagon? I've just worked 14 hours and could use a good laugh right about now.

Here's a thought...free yourself of the pre-packaged cacactures of who think people are and simply respond to the words they'ven written to you.

You might learn something about how very complex this world and the political motives of people like me really are.

OR, turn every response people pen to you into a straw man and waste your time lecturing to people who don't exist except in your mind.

Your call, man.

I can take you seriously, or I can simply dismiss you as just another crank who isn't interested in really discussing issues seriously.

 

[Korimyr the Rat]

Welcome to USMB! As long as you have a thick skin, you ought to be able to enjoy your time here. You should probably expect a good deal of incivility in response to your beliefs, however.

You can't even say what you feel anymore without fear of offending someone and I'm sick of it.

I agree that this is a problem. It isn't so much that you can't speak without fear of offending someone-- you will always offend someone-- but the idea that people (and only certain people) ought to be protected from being offended, and that our public discourse and public policy must be guided by a principle of non-offensiveness.

People should be as polite and as respectful in the expression of their beliefs as is possible, but they must first and foremost be honest.

I also believe that we should eliminate corporations. I believe these leaders of corporations have hijacked democracy, and are basically running and corrupting our country. The difference is, they arent our elected leaders and owe us nothing-- in fact, we are their slaves!

I believe this horse has already left the stable, but we can certainly demand that our government do more to rein in these errant forces of irresponsible profiteering and liberal globalization. We may not agree to the ends that President Obama is putting the banks and auto manufacturers to, but I think the government purchasing stock in and exerting control over major corporations is a step in the right direction. The corporations already exist, and they wield tremendous power in society-- but we can channel that power to our nation's ends.

I think that our country doesnt need to look forward and "change", I think we need to take a look BACK and see what we did to fuck everything up.

I disagree. We must always be focused on the future. There are aspects of the past that we might seek to bring back, but our society cannot return to the Fifties. What we must do is take the lessons of the Fifties-- and more importantly, the years between the World Wars-- and apply them to the future development of our nation, especially now that we've been able to observe the results of many of their policies.

I believe that somehow down the road, we tossed aside morality in favor of the rights of minorities to do and say what they want without question.

It isn't just the rights of minorities. We have become a nation obsessed with our rights-- real or imagined-- and unconcerned with our duties. Frankly, I think your concern with "minorities" is a distraction from the problems of our nation, and the forces which are contributing to and capitalizing upon those problems.

I believe that the blending of different minorities, and racial differences in this country has led to a loss of identity and that the white male is now the most looked-down upon race there is.

I disagree. It is the blending of minorities that gave our nation its identity, and it has been the end of that process-- foisted off upon us by liberal multiculturalism-- that is leading to the fracture and dissolution of our national identity. We need to return to the culture of one America, cultural assimilation, and the open embrace of those lost souls from every corner of the world that wish to declare their commitment to the American way of life.

There is no room for the White race in America. There is only room for one race in America, and that is the American race.

Think about it - what is more acceptable in today's society, a white male who listens to classical music, keeps to himself, speaks proper English, owns a handgun, treats his wife with respect, and believes in his country OR an ignorant black thug (or wigger) who listens to rap, is loud and obnoxius, butchers the English language, treats women like shit, and trashes everything our ancestors fought so hard to defend.

Tell me, what is your opinion of the black men and women that wear the uniform of our armed services and serve our country alongside you? What is your opinion of General Powell, Dr. Cosby, Dr. Rice, Larry Elder, and Marva Collins? Are these men and women not fine Americans, and worthier of the title than any uncultured thug of any race?

I think a form of morality should be adhered to, and that the United States should be split. Our country is so divided politically that it might as well be divided actually.

I would like to hear your ideas on the division of the United States, perhaps in a separate thread where they may given the attention they deserve.

I'm also fully aware that some more ignorant individuals who undoubtedly exist on this forum will inevitably label me as a racist (those that gleefully ride aboard the Obama bandwagon).

You are a racist. As one Fascist to another, a man who shares many of your ideals, I am telling you that your racism is apparent to anyone who bothers to read what you've written here. Attempting to deny it only makes you appear weak and hypocritical. If you want to divide our nation along racial lines and establish a white nation, by all means lobby for and promote your vision of a white nation. But don't demean your beliefs and insult our intelligence by pretending that you are somehow not a racist.

Let me welcome you again to the USMB. I look forward to further discussions with you.

 

[RodISHI]

Two "fascist" in one week. Is that a new trend or something?

 

[catzmeow]

I believe that the blending of different minorities, and racial differences in this country has led to a loss of identity and that the white male is now the most looked-down upon race there is. Think about it - what is more acceptable in today's society, a white male who listens to classical music, keeps to himself, speaks proper English, owns a handgun, treats his wife with respect, and believes in his country OR an ignorant black thug (or wigger) who listens to rap, is loud and obnoxius, butchers the English language, treats women like shit, and trashes everything our ancestors fought so hard to defend. I honestly believe firmly that half the trash in this country don't deseve to be Americans and it makes me sick that they are my fellow "countrymen".

You may not consider yourself a racist, but your rhetoric quite clearly paints you as one.

 

[catzmeow]

I think my right to say what I want is as important as your likely support of restricting such a thing with political correctness and equal opportunity.

This is a false dichotomy. No one on this board has attempted to silence your free speech in a misguided attempt to impose some kind of political correctness where not really exists. But, calling you a racist/white racialist is an accurate summary of your stated beliefs. Speaking the truth is the opposite of political correctness.

 

[Korimyr the Rat]

Two "fascist" in one week. Is that a new trend or something?

It's the economy. Surprised you're not seeing a sudden upswing in Communists, too.

 

[Amanda]

 

[Zoom-boing]

I'm also fully aware that some more ignorant individuals who undoubtedly exist on this forum will inevitably label me as a racist (those that gleefully ride aboard the Obama bandwagon). Of course, that's just the thing to do this day is dismiss anyone's first amendment rights as "hate speech". Let me tell you first I don't believe that blacks, jews, hispanics or anybody are "lesser" individuals... I simply believe that they should exist within a different entity.

I'm not on any Obama bandwagon and I think you're a racist. At least be honest enough to call a spade a spade. Welcome.

 

[eots]

Hello to everyone. I have been looking for a good political board to discuss some issues with people with because I found that the "average joe" out there is either not informed enough or just doesn't care much about Politics.

I am an Intelligence Analyst in the United States Air Force and a Political Science major. My plan is to serve my country until retirement in whatever capacity that may be (inside or outside the military).

As for my views have evolved within the past 2 years to what they are now, after long stint as a very far right Republican.

To start things off, I believe that our country has gone to hell in a handbasket. I also believe that in order to improve our situation it requires drastic, even radical action.

I have always been a far right leaning individual... which is why I've always opposed the general social order that we have in New York State (our education system and high taxes). I believe the best way to classify me is a Paleoconservative that adheres to a National Socialist governing doctrine.

I am very Conservative on social issues. I oppose gay marriage, oppose abortion fervently, am against all these so called "rights for minorities" and affirmative action, equal opportunity nonsense. You can't even say what you feel anymore without fear of offending someone and I'm sick of it. This country was founded by white, land-owning males that fought hard to have a nation of their own on this continent and very few people seem to realise that fact.

However, I am quite Liberal on Financial issues. I believe that people for the most part should look to their government to provide specific services, because in this day and age, quite honestly... it is impossible for millions of people to do that for themselves. Don't get me wrong- I am not an advocate of creating a welfare state, I am talking basic government sponsered programs: Medical, Dental, and a huge government employment program where everyone that is physically able can work for the state.

I also believe that we should eliminate corporations. I believe these leaders of corporations have hijacked democracy, and are basically running and corrupting our country. The difference is, they arent our elected leaders and owe us nothing-- in fact, we are their slaves! We buy their products, use their services, and watch their programs like sheep and no one wants to do a damn thing about it. When a pro-athlete that has trouble speaking proper English makes 20 million a year are there are hard working people that are struggling every day... something needs to be done. I believe the state should take control of this matter. Power needs to be seized from these corporations and not redistrubted to the lower classes as Robin Hood would do, but to the MIDDLE CLASS. Create two classes of society, the governing class (the state) and the middle class. Pretty similar to the middle ages prior to Feudalism. I don't feel that makes me a Communist, I just put my trust in the state a hell of a lot more than I do in these vile corporations.

I think that our country doesnt need to look forward and "change", I think we need to take a look BACK and see what we did to fuck everything up. I believe that somehow down the road, we tossed aside morality in favor of the rights of minorities to do and say what they want without question.

I suppose you could label me as a Facist if you chose to do so. Either way, I think what we need is a very strong leader ( I would even support a Dictator or Monarch if such a thing were ever to come about ) to instill a sense of national pride and civic responsibility that has been lost. I believe that the blending of different minorities, and racial differences in this country has led to a loss of identity and that the white male is now the most looked-down upon race there is. Think about it - what is more acceptable in today's society, a white male who listens to classical music, keeps to himself, speaks proper English, owns a handgun, treats his wife with respect, and believes in his country OR an ignorant black thug (or wigger) who listens to rap, is loud and obnoxius, butchers the English language, treats women like shit, and trashes everything our ancestors fought so hard to defend. I honestly believe firmly that half the trash in this country don't deseve to be Americans and it makes me sick that they are my fellow "countrymen".

I think a form of morality should be adhered to, and that the United States should be split. Our country is so divided politically that it might as well be divided actually. There should at least be a National Socialist Republic where a white male is free to live in peace without these outside influences polluting our media air waves, schools, streets, and childrens with their garbage. Take a look on television, and for one minute tell me things arent completely fucked up. Look at how things were in the 50's... that is what we need to return to.

I'm also fully aware that some more ignorant individuals who undoubtedly exist on this forum will inevitably label me as a racist (those that gleefully ride aboard the Obama bandwagon). Of course, that's just the thing to do this day is dismiss anyone's first amendment rights as "hate speech". Let me tell you first I don't believe that blacks, jews, hispanics or anybody are "lesser" individuals... I simply believe that they should exist within a different entity. Giver those of us that believe in America to rewind the clocks and have our country back, and let everyone who wants the current fucked up state have what they want.

I look forward to some discussion be it private or public, or with agreement or dissent.

WELL ISNT THAT SPECIAL

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIsYmKXStSA[/ame]

 

[Epsilon Delta]

That's funny, this guy is kinda like Neurobarth (or whatever) but much more eloquent. But hey, it's not so bad, it's good to broaden the spectrum a little bit, put in you know, a bit of a new voice around that kinda mixes things up. I find it interesting that they (these Neo-Fascists, or ultra-nationalists, or whatever they are) are sort of like a mix. They have the common sense to see the good things that the state can do (providing health care, education, basic services, etc so that society actually runs smoothly) but at the same time have a very narrow and backwards view of the nation, where the state may provide these services but only to the "true" citizens, not to the "undesireables" or "deviants" or otherwise anyone who seems like a threat to their idealized, homogenous vision of what their society should look like. This is pretty common among all sorts of fascists left and right, not only Hitler and Mussolini but the military juntas of Latin America as well were pretty much based on the same ideological foundation. They all have one thing in common: They fail. They fail because they are based on a system of total exclusion, and they try to shove the nation into a mold that simply does not fit the reality through extreme violence (much like Marxism-Leninism); it is inherently reactionary and in general it almost requires so much blood that it has never been worth it. But most of all, it requires a particular group of people (this ruling class you talk about) to decide point blank what "culture" is; what culture is "acceptable" and what constitutes this "national" culture, and in the end whatever this idyllic picture you may have of what really constitutes the "National Spirit" of America may be different from that of the next ultra-nationalist reactionary. So you know, how the hell are you gonna agree?

 

[Nationalismus]

I disagree. We must always be focused on the future. There are aspects of the past that we might seek to bring back, but our society cannot return to the Fifties. What we must do is take the lessons of the Fifties-- and more importantly, the years between the World Wars-- and apply them to the future development of our nation, especially now that we've been able to observe the results of many of their policies..

I am advocating a return to a way of life of the 50's, not 50's technology. It is a matter looking backward socially, not technology.

I disagree. It is the blending of minorities that gave our nation its identity, and it has been the end of that process-- foisted off upon us by liberal multiculturalism-- that is leading to the fracture and dissolution of our national identity. We need to return to the culture of one America, cultural assimilation, and the open embrace of those lost souls from every corner of the world that wish to declare their commitment to the American way of life.

There is no room for the White race in America. There is only room for one race in America, and that is the American race..

If you truly consider a facist, then you most certainly are not a Nationalistic facist or anyone I would associate with in my party. Fascists see the struggle of nation and race as fundamental in society, in opposition to communism's perception of class struggle and in opposition to capitalism's focus on the value of productivity and individualism. The nation is seen in fascism as a single organic entity which binds people together by their ancestry and is seen as a natural unifying force of people. Race has divided this country since it's founding and will continue to be an underlying problem in our political and social system.

Tell me, what is your opinion of the black men and women that wear the uniform of our armed services and serve our country alongside you? What is your opinion of General Powell, Dr. Cosby, Dr. Rice, Larry Elder, and Marva Collins? Are these men and women not fine Americans, and worthier of the title than any uncultured thug of any race?.

I think they are fine people - as individuals. However, they could have achieved such prestige in another country just as easily.

would like to hear your ideas on the division of the United States, perhaps in a separate thread where they may given the attention they deserve..

Do you have a reccomendation of where we could best discuss this?

You are a racist. As one Fascist to another, a man who shares many of your ideals, I am telling you that your racism is apparent to anyone who bothers to read what you've written here. Attempting to deny it only makes you appear weak and hypocritical. If you want to divide our nation along racial lines and establish a white nation, by all means lobby for and promote your vision of a white nation. But don't demean your beliefs and insult our intelligence by pretending that you are somehow not a racist.

Let me welcome you again to the USMB. I look forward to further discussions with you.

That's fine if you want to paint me with that brush. However, you have to remember that if you consider yourself a true Facist you need to remember that race is what binds us together and is what we most readily identify with. In America, that idea has come a complete blurred mess.

I will leave you with a quote from Mussolini

[When the] city dies, the nation—deprived of the young life—blood of new generations—is now made up of people who are old and degenerate and cannot defend itself against a younger people which launches an attack on the now unguarded frontiers. This will happen, and not just to cities and nations, but on an infinitely greater scale: the whole White race, the Western race can be submerged by other coloured races which are multiplying at a rate unknown in our race.

Think about television, the air waves, our youth and their love for for the culture of gang-banging nonsense... look at MTV, the total pedestal our society has somehow placed on Rap music. I hear this garbage daily at the check out line in nearly every store or supermarket I go into now... it makes me sick, which is why I now travel with my Zune everywhere I go.

Good day to you.

Good day to you.

 

[RodISHI]

Fascist

Is derive from;

Main Entry: fas·cism
Pronunciation: \&#712;fa-&#716;shi-z&#601;m also &#712;fa-&#716;si-\
Function: noun
Etymology: Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces
Date: 1921
1often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control <early instances of army fascism and brutality — J. W. Aldridge>
— fas·cist \-shist also -sist\ noun or adjective often capitalized
— fas·cis·tic \fa-&#712;shis-tik also -&#712;sis-\ adjective often capitalized
— fas·cis·ti·cal·ly \-ti-k(&#601;-)l&#275;\ adverb often capitalized

Fascist sounds really unamerican IMO.