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Originally posted by dmp
He might have...I neglected to ask Him. Sometimes Christ used his anger to illustrate or reinforce His point. I'm not Christ...but by talking w/ the likes of you, I can understand how he must have felt when he saw his Temple being made a mockery of, by the merchants, etc...
Originally posted by wonderwench
I'm not making a mockery of Jesus. I am taking your prejudice and arguments to their reductio ad absurdum. Logic is a good tool - and I am using it.
But I do ponder if Jesus would show the same hatred towards consenting adult homosexuals as do you. I doubt it. He died for all people - not just the ones who agree with you.
Originally posted by dmp
What you are making a mockery of are the things, ideas of God. And this country.
Look child...gosh..how many times can I tell you I don't hate homosexuals. I hate their behaviour. I deployed on operation assignments, fighting side-by-side with a good friend of mine, whom I knew to be gay. I'd die for him. I'd serve with him with honour.
Christ died so people can REPENT of their sins (Homosexuality being just the one we are talking about now), and turn for their behaviour.
My friend, whom I'd die for? He was a Christian. He couldn't control his homosexual urges, so he stopped claiming 'christ' to not present a compromising view. He knew the good...he was just struggling too much w/ his 'affliction'.
Logic? Honey...honestly...call it that if it helps you sleep. Your ramblings on here are perhaps the most illogical words I've read in years.
Constructive Criticism.
Originally posted by wonderwench
And your sanctimony and twisting of Christ's lessons to support hatred and bigotry is one of the more hypocritcal things I've observed in quite awhile.
Originally posted by dmp
Give me ONE lesson from Christ which you aren't copying/pasting?
Originally posted by wonderwench
What on earth is that supposed to mean? You have mixed dogma with the teachings of Christ. You can't tell the difference between God's word and the manipulation of religious leaders to have power over their followers.
Originally posted by wonderwench
Give me One lesson from Christ which shows that he condemned homosexuality.
Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexuals 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
22 " 'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.
Originally posted by dmp
It means "Recite to me one 'lesson from Christ' which you can relate without copying/pasting passages from the bible."
There are TWO
Originally posted by wonderwench
You didn't cite the passages.
Originally posted by dmp
Look them up for yourself, if you seek the truth, dear.
Me spoon-feeding truth to somebody who doesn't WANT it is useless.
(sigh)Originally posted by wonderwench
Unwilling to cite sources = unable to cite sources.
No credibility.
wow - thread gone bad!!! it's heating up in here!
At least Moi was trying to keep it on-topic. Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexuals 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
). It just seems to me that maybe Christians should try spreading the good things about God that are in the Bible (isn't that what Christ said was the purpose of Christianity?) rather than spreading these negative ones. Jesus' preachings certainly didn't include a nice, pat list of all the people that weren't going to heaven, he said that anyone could get in.
Originally posted by Dan
No kidding! Damn political people highjacked my poll!!!!
Oh, well, when in Rome....
Sooo, every person in heaven has never said a bad thing about anybody, never gotten drunk, and never had sex for fun? Sounds like a fun place. So, basically, it's Jesus and Mother Teresa hanging out up there?
Point is, I understand people wanting to take the Bible as the be-all, end-all word of God and account of his teachings because it is the only real source there is. But, folks need to realize that the Bible was passed on for many many generations orally before it was even written down. Try telling a friend a joke, then that friend tells it to another friend, then that person tells you again, it will more than likely not be exactly the same as when you told it. In addition, it has been written and translated many, many times, and most of these translators and writers were working for the rulers of societies, isn't it possible that they maybe snuck some things in that the rulers wanted, perhaps in order to keep the people in order through fear of God's wrath? I could be wrong, but it is a possibility.
Sorry, it just irks me when people throw these Bible passages around all the time (I heard one Christian tell me the above was his favorite Bible passage
Originally posted by Dan
Yeah, I see what you're saying.
I think I should probably bow out of this debate now, just because my agnostic point of view tends to negate the majority of what I have to say about God and the Bible. Peace!
Sorry about jackin up your thread, y0...
No kidding! Damn political people highjacked my poll!!!!
