A Poll About Gun Control

[Luddly Neddite]

Some figures I just heard on the news and jotted down -

We have about 11K gun homicides per year but only about 250 self-defense related gun homicides. IOW, only about 250 'bad guys with a gun are stopped by a good guy with a gun'.

Of the past 42 of the mass killers, 32 would have passed a background check.

As much as we need background checks, they're not a guarantee of anything.

How any crimes were prevented because an honest citizen had a gun?

No where near "85%", that's for damn sure. Not calling anyone a "liar" because this is the CDZ and that's against the rules here. Just saying that's outrageous and not true.

I was clear about the source of the figures I posted. I meant them to be a take off point, hopefully where an adult conversation could start. As I stated, I believe that we need background checks but they are not a guarantee of anything.

Neither is having a gun in the bedside table a guarantee of being able to stop a crime. Saying that 85% of gun hommicides are self defense is nonsense.

 

[Desperado]

How any crimes were prevented because an honest citizen had a gun?

If it were only one that would be reason enough.

Now another question, If the good guys did not have guns, how many more crimes would be committed?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

How any crimes were prevented because an honest citizen had a gun?

If it were only one that would be reason enough.

Now another question, If the good guys did not have guns, how many more crimes would be committed?

Several have already posted that countries with gun control have as many or more crimes as the US.

 

[Noomi]

"Known to be dangerous", how? Did he commit a violent crime? Who determines he is dangerous?

Not the point. He is known to be dangerous, and he has a weapon. That is all you need to know.

 

[Noomi]

How any crimes were prevented because an honest citizen had a gun?

If it were only one that would be reason enough.

Now another question, If the good guys did not have guns, how many more crimes would be committed?

Several have already posted that countries with gun control have as many or more crimes as the US.

We have strict gun control and a lot less gun crime than the US. And no mass killings since 1996.

 

[Noomi]

Australian Gun Ban Facts & Statistics
Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2013 7:48:26 AM by RC one

It has now been over 10 years since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own Government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.

The statistics for the years following the ban are now in:


Accidental gun deaths are 300% higher than the pre-1997 ban rate

The assault rate has increased 800% since 1991, and increased 200% since the 1997 gun ban.

Robbery and armed robbery have increase 20% from the pre-97 ban rate.

From immediately after the ban was instituted in 1997 through 2002, the robbery and armed robbery rate was up 200% over the pre-ban rates.

In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 171 percent


Australian Gun Ban Facts & Statistics

You quote from a very conservative website.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

If it were only one that would be reason enough.

Now another question, If the good guys did not have guns, how many more crimes would be committed?

Several have already posted that countries with gun control have as many or more crimes as the US.

We have strict gun control and a lot less gun crime than the US. And no mass killings since 1996.

I was coughing and gagging, about to remind you of the many mass and individual shootings in the US - and then I saw it was an Aussie posting.

Your country has handled this question with intelligence and success. Thanks.

 

[Noomi]

You are welcome. We still have crime, we have gun crime, yes, but mass killings by crazed people with a gun? Doesn't happen anymore, and that is thanks to the gun control that over 90% of us supported, and still do.

 

[S.J.]

"Known to be dangerous", how? Did he commit a violent crime? Who determines he is dangerous?

Not the point. He is known to be dangerous, and he has a weapon. That is all you need to know.

Sorry, but it IS the point, especially if it's people like you determining he is dangerous.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

You are welcome. We still have crime, we have gun crime, yes, but mass killings by crazed people with a gun? Doesn't happen anymore, and that is thanks to the gun control that over 90% of us supported, and still do.

Seems Australia is good at a lot of things.

 

[Wyld Kard]

You are welcome. We still have crime, we have gun crime, yes, but mass killings by crazed people with a gun? Doesn't happen anymore, and that is thanks to the gun control that over 90% of us supported, and still do.

So gun control is the answer, the answer to why there is no more mass killings by crazed people with a gun in Australia.

Really? Just because there is gun control laws in your country, that does not completely guarantee that someone could not snap and do a mass killing of people. You already acknowledge that there still is gun crime in your country.

Let me point something out to you since it is obvious that you support gun control in your country and you believe that it is doing a good job.

In Switzerland almost every adult male is legally required to possess a gun. One of the few nations with a higher per capita rate of gun ownership than the United States, Switzerland has virtually no gun crime.

So Switzerland has virtually NO GUN CRIME, because they are legally required, and Australia has gun control laws and still does have gun crime.

Maybe Australia could learn something from Switzerland.

 

[KissMy]

If it were only one that would be reason enough.

Now another question, If the good guys did not have guns, how many more crimes would be committed?

Several have already posted that countries with gun control have as many or more crimes as the US.

We have strict gun control and a lot less gun crime than the US. And no mass killings since 1996.

Crime spiked & is still high in Australia because of strict gun control even as crime was falling in most other countries.

 

[KissMy]

It is not safe to visit Australia. Two people shot to death an Indian businessman Australia should be boycotted by every country on earth.

 

[KissMy]

Global Homicide Rate Map

 

[Ernie S.]

If it were only one that would be reason enough.

Now another question, If the good guys did not have guns, how many more crimes would be committed?

Several have already posted that countries with gun control have as many or more crimes as the US.

We have strict gun control and a lot less gun crime than the US. And no mass killings since 1996.

Take cities like Oakland, Los Angeles, Philadelphia and Chicago out of the equation and our violent crime stats look much the same as yours. Guns/ knives dead is dead.

 

[Ernie S.]

Australian Gun Ban Facts & Statistics
Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2013 7:48:26 AM by RC one

It has now been over 10 years since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own Government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.

The statistics for the years following the ban are now in:


Accidental gun deaths are 300% higher than the pre-1997 ban rate

The assault rate has increased 800% since 1991, and increased 200% since the 1997 gun ban.

Robbery and armed robbery have increase 20% from the pre-97 ban rate.

From immediately after the ban was instituted in 1997 through 2002, the robbery and armed robbery rate was up 200% over the pre-ban rates.

In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 171 percent


Australian Gun Ban Facts & Statistics

You quote from a very conservative website.

Facts and statistics are not partisan, or is the sky magenta for Libs?

 

[eagle1462010]

Gun Control is the ability to hit what your aiming at.

Protected by the 2nd Amendment........

Which is attacked by the Leftist Loons all the time.

 

[Ernie S.]

Side note to all my 2nd Amendment friends. Google "tannerite" Fun stuff!

 

[MikeK]

Australian Gun Ban Facts & Statistics
Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2013 7:48:26 AM by RC one

It has now been over 10 years since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own Government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.

The statistics for the years following the ban are now in:


Accidental gun deaths are 300% higher than the pre-1997 ban rate

The assault rate has increased 800% since 1991, and increased 200% since the 1997 gun ban.

Robbery and armed robbery have increase 20% from the pre-97 ban rate.

From immediately after the ban was instituted in 1997 through 2002, the robbery and armed robbery rate was up 200% over the pre-ban rates.

In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 171 percent


Australian Gun Ban Facts & Statistics

You quote from a very conservative website.

Are the stats false, incorrect, or mistaken? You are in a better position than I am to know.

Also, there are factors which, in the matter of civilian gun possession, make our respective cultures an awkward comparison. One factor is population density, another is essential cultural disparity. It's said the U.S. was born out of the barrel of a gun and firearms are as endemic to this Nation as kangaroos and Koalas are to Australia. So while there is a small percentage of Americans who would like to see a gun ban the vast majority would not. In fact, such a ban would be virtually impossible to effect.

 

[asterism]

Side note to all my 2nd Amendment friends. Google "tannerite" Fun stuff!

No need for google, my favorite gun range sells it for $4 a pop!

VERY fun!