A PERFECT Lesson For U.S. "moralists"!!!

Your talking about the Nutjobs..

The ones who murder Abortion Doctors are Nutjobs, and last but not least, Hypocrites.

Sure, I'm Catholic but I don't tell people that it's the "Proper" way to live, what You, or, I, think is the Proper way to live might not be right for you but not for someone else.. That's why I don't Impose Religion, but, I don't think that means taking everything that mentions God.

It's a confusing Issue, even for me..

"Sure, I'm Catholic but I don't tell people that it's the "Proper" way to live,"


so you oppose ant-igay marriage laws?

and you oppose the current war on pot?
 
Your talking about the Nutjobs..

The ones who murder Abortion Doctors are Nutjobs, and last but not least, Hypocrites.

Sure, I'm Catholic but I don't tell people that it's the "Proper" way to live, what You, or, I, think is the Proper way to live might not be right for you but not for someone else.. That's why I don't Impose Religion, but, I don't think that means taking everything that mentions God.

It's a confusing Issue, even for me..

"Sure, I'm Catholic but I don't tell people that it's the "Proper" way to live,"


so you oppose ant-igay marriage laws?

and you oppose the current war on pot?

Actually, I'm all for Individual Liberty.

Gay Marriage while I may not agree with it, I don't oppose it nor Favor it.. So, my way to deal with this is, If it doesn't hurt anybody, I'm fine with it.. So sure, let them marry. What right does the Government have to tell people who they can and can't Marry?

And on the Pot Issue, Let's just say this.. People who smoke pot will continue to smoke pot even if it's Illegal, and the people who don't, will keep doing so..
And, I'd Rather have money going back to the Government than the Mafias down in Mexico, which is causing a lot Innocent deaths..
 
Religious Police?

Oh, you mean the same people who want everything that Mentions "God" In Public Buildings gone?

though I have no problem with the word "god" on government buildings that already exist, I would certainly prefer to NOT include that word on any future buildings.

The U.S. is a secular/multi-religious nation.
LOTS of REAL Americans do NOT believe in the same god or even any god.

NO religion should be recieving special reference or consideration or promotion by our government.

I only ever hear this whine about 'God' from those who don't believe in Him. Do Muslims complain? No. Hindus? No. Jews? No. Christians? No. No religions are offended - only those who seek to hide behind the cloak of offending other faiths. No faiths are offended, only those with no faith. And they have to pretend it's about not offending other faiths. Idiots.
 
Do people go about enforcing religious morality under the power of the state in the US?



laws denying gays the right to marry is an example "people enforcing religious morality"

laws denying teachers the right to speak about sex-ed (other than abstinance-only) is an example


people who think we are able to divorce to easily and would like to "enact laws making it harder to get divorce" is another
 
Do people go about enforcing religious morality under the power of the state in the US?



laws denying gays the right to marry is an example "people enforcing religious morality"

laws denying teachers the right to speak about sex-ed (other than abstinance-only) is an example


people who think we are able to divorce to easily and would like to "enact laws making it harder to get divorce" is another

So, where do you draw the line with marriage? Can three consenting adults marry? Four? Should marriage even be a legal function? Once you say anyone can do anything they want, then you might as well just throw the whole idea of 'marriage' out the window because it will cease to have any meaning in society. There are more than just religious reasons to oppose other forms of marriage.

Who has laws about denying teachers the right to speak about sex-ed, it's in the cirriculum where my children attend? And what does that have to do with religion anyway? Sexual morality does not always go hand in hand with religion.

And 'would like to see' examples are pretty bogus, when it really happens, get back to me.
 
Do people go about enforcing religious morality under the power of the state in the US?



laws denying gays the right to marry is an example "people enforcing religious morality"

laws denying teachers the right to speak about sex-ed (other than abstinance-only) is an example


people who think we are able to divorce to easily and would like to "enact laws making it harder to get divorce" is another

I see the marriage issue more as the state intruding into a religious practice than an attempt of religion to legislate anything. The state should simply drop the marriage license requirement and allow individuals to make their own choices. The only reason that anyone is insisting on the right to SSM is because the state intruded in an area it should have been kept out of. They justified it because they wanted to stop Mormons from marrying more than one woman, and look at the problems it has caused today.

Why should divorce be easy. The state involvement in marriage turns it into a legal contract, and it is not supposed to be easy to get out of a contract simply because a person changes their mind.

No one is prohibited about speaking about sex ed that I know of. For some reason liberals insist that sex education is an issue that belongs in public education. It seems to me that they are the ones who are trying to shove their morality down peoples throat. The fact that the only form of birth control that is 100% effective is abstinence indicates to me that the people who want to mention it are correct, and that any argument against that point is based on something other than logic.

I know somebody is going to scream about this. They are going to point out that teens get pregnant even if they are taught about abstinence, and that proves it does not work. The truth is that it only proves that non-abstinence does not work. Teens also get pregnant when they are taught about the pill and condoms, does that prove they do not work?
 
Anything short of perfection is a fail.

Anyone who veers from the relious tenets, invalidates the entire group.

Morals have no useful purpose in society.

Judging anyone in society is wrong.

Did I miss anything Shaman?
 
Religious Police?

Oh, you mean the same people who want everything that Mentions "God" In Public Buildings gone?

though I have no problem with the word "god" on government buildings that already exist, I would certainly prefer to NOT include that word on any future buildings.

The U.S. is a secular/multi-religious nation.
LOTS of REAL Americans do NOT believe in the same god or even any god.

NO religion should be recieving special reference or consideration or promotion by our government.

Why should certian ideologies receive special deference or consideration ? Wipe out all religion and you have caved into a minorty ideological group.
 
I think someone who wants all religion to be removed from the public, needs to remove all affiliations from their ethnic background. My last name is German, so I should become a Smith. In fact, we all should be John or Jane Smiths. Wait, that would be showing gender perferences, so just Johns.
 
Do people go about enforcing religious morality under the power of the state in the US?



laws denying gays the right to marry is an example "people enforcing religious morality"

laws denying teachers the right to speak about sex-ed (other than abstinance-only) is an example


people who think we are able to divorce to easily and would like to "enact laws making it harder to get divorce" is another

So, where do you draw the line with marriage? Can three consenting adults marry? Four? Should marriage even be a legal function? Once you say anyone can do anything they want, then you might as well just throw the whole idea of 'marriage' out the window because it will cease to have any meaning in society. There are more than just religious reasons to oppose other forms of marriage.

Who has laws about denying teachers the right to speak about sex-ed, it's in the cirriculum where my children attend? And what does that have to do with religion anyway? Sexual morality does not always go hand in hand with religion.

And 'would like to see' examples are pretty bogus, when it really happens, get back to me.



line?

line?

don't know about any lines....

seems to me that if 2 guys want to marry the same woman...
and she's all for it....
and they have no problem being co-married....

then....what's it to you?

I have no problem polygamists of ANY kind

or 4 guys all married to 6 or 7 or 10 woman....

some kind of gang-marriage....

it's just none of my business

"Should marriage even be a legal function? "

I don't care.
marriage is not important to me.

I'd much rather be happy
or happy and in love
than be married


" Once you say anyone can do anything they want, then you might as well just throw the whole idea of 'marriage' out the window because it will cease to have any meaning in society. "

ok
That's fine.
toss it out...
I don't really care....


" There are more than just religious reasons to oppose other forms of marriage."

other than tax breaks for family members I can't think of any that matter.

and
since I believe in a FLAT TAX based upon salary with NO TAX BREAKS for ANY familiy members

"Who has laws about denying teachers the right to speak about sex-ed, it's in the cirriculum where my children attend? "

schools receiving federal aid may ONLY discuss ABSTINANCE ONLY else they can lose that federal aid.

"And what does that have to do with religion anyway? Sexual morality does not always go hand in hand with religion."

sexual morality is based upon religion

with MOST people it goes hand in hand

and ULTRA CONSERVATIVE RELIGIOUS people are the people who are working the HARDEST to enforce anti-gay marriage laws, abstinance only education and making it tougher/harder to get divorce.....
 
How did this thread go from Saudi woman kicking the Islamic Virtue force ass to a fight between libs /cons and Christian whackjobs versus Atheist religiophobes?

Come on people. Let us recognize, at the least, that Shaman presented us with a picture of how people live in one of our strongest Allies in the Middle East.

They look like Iran!-- minus the nuclear bomb thingy!
 
"GOD DAMN AMERICA!!"..."God caused the BP oil spill." Yea you deranged Socialists/Progressives should start with some of your own. Yikes!
 
How did this thread go from Saudi woman kicking the Islamic Virtue force ass to a fight between libs /cons and Christian whackjobs versus Atheist religiophobes?

Come on people. Let us recognize, at the least, that Shaman presented us with a picture of how people live in one of our strongest Allies in the Middle East.
I guess (maybe) I should move-on to the Family Values Foregivness-Express-Line (for "conservatives").

:rolleyes:
 
Religious Police?

Oh, you mean the same people who want everything that Mentions "God" In Public Buildings gone?
Pretty much.....those same folks who're constantly-insisting they know the proper way to live/think/believe, and can't manage to keep their Absolutes to themselves (not-to-mention infrequently murdering Doctors, from-time-to-time).​

What does this have to do with politics? It seems you have a problem with certain religious people so shouldn't this be in a forum about religion?
 
How did this thread go from Saudi woman kicking the Islamic Virtue force ass to a fight between libs /cons and Christian whackjobs versus Atheist religiophobes?

Come on people. Let us recognize, at the least, that Shaman presented us with a picture of how people live in one of our strongest Allies in the Middle East.
I guess (maybe) I should move-on to the Family Values Foregivness-Express-Line (for "conservatives").

:rolleyes:

How does a political philosophy have to do with a spiritual one about ones relationship with God? I'm wondering where is the connection between the two?
 

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