A novel idea for the USMB: Fact checking the cost of illegal immigrants.

[Porter Rockwell]

You people are aware of the large fake ID blackmarket in the US?

Epidemic of stolen social security numbers?

Well Marion, had the people who have made a religion out of this immigration discussion simply stayed at home 15 years ago, the patriot / constitutionalist movement had this under control for you.

You're now arguing for equal slavery under the law.

 

[Jitss617]

Of course, the working poor are a benefit to the country. Only question is, to whom goes the benefit? The fact that we don't value a clean environment in a hospital or in the bureau, orderly stuffed shelves in the supermarket, or our elderly mom kept fed and clean, or cheap lettuce, and thus won't pay a decent wage for any of that, doesn't mean they, and their work, are not a benefit.

Those who know the price of everything, and the value of nothing, are unlikely to realize that it's exactly undocumented immigrants, exploited and taken advantage of to the hilt, who hold a giant mirror right before our faces, for us to recognize who we are. Oh, and, also how careless and disrespectful of other humans we have become, while we all, in a variety of ways, benefit from both the working poor and undocumented immigrants without realizing, or caring for, it, or them, for that matter.

No, the working poor are not a benefit to our country. They cost us more them they produce. At least be honest with yourself.

Mark.

What are you saying!? Lol fascist sounding

 

[80zephyr]

Of course, the working poor are a benefit to the country. Only question is, to whom goes the benefit? The fact that we don't value a clean environment in a hospital or in the bureau, orderly stuffed shelves in the supermarket, or our elderly mom kept fed and clean, or cheap lettuce, and thus won't pay a decent wage for any of that, doesn't mean they, and their work, are not a benefit.

Those who know the price of everything, and the value of nothing, are unlikely to realize that it's exactly undocumented immigrants, exploited and taken advantage of to the hilt, who hold a giant mirror right before our faces, for us to recognize who we are. Oh, and, also how careless and disrespectful of other humans we have become, while we all, in a variety of ways, benefit from both the working poor and undocumented immigrants without realizing, or caring for, it, or them, for that matter.

No, the working poor are not a benefit to our country. They cost us more them they produce. At least be honest with yourself.

Mark.

What are you saying!? Lol fascist sounding

Reality isn't fascist. It simply is.

Mark

 

[Jitss617]

Of course, the working poor are a benefit to the country. Only question is, to whom goes the benefit? The fact that we don't value a clean environment in a hospital or in the bureau, orderly stuffed shelves in the supermarket, or our elderly mom kept fed and clean, or cheap lettuce, and thus won't pay a decent wage for any of that, doesn't mean they, and their work, are not a benefit.

Those who know the price of everything, and the value of nothing, are unlikely to realize that it's exactly undocumented immigrants, exploited and taken advantage of to the hilt, who hold a giant mirror right before our faces, for us to recognize who we are. Oh, and, also how careless and disrespectful of other humans we have become, while we all, in a variety of ways, benefit from both the working poor and undocumented immigrants without realizing, or caring for, it, or them, for that matter.

No, the working poor are not a benefit to our country. They cost us more them they produce. At least be honest with yourself.

Mark.

What are you saying!? Lol fascist sounding

Reality isn't fascist. It simply is.

Mark

What should we do with the pesky poor?

 

[80zephyr]

Of course, the working poor are a benefit to the country. Only question is, to whom goes the benefit? The fact that we don't value a clean environment in a hospital or in the bureau, orderly stuffed shelves in the supermarket, or our elderly mom kept fed and clean, or cheap lettuce, and thus won't pay a decent wage for any of that, doesn't mean they, and their work, are not a benefit.

Those who know the price of everything, and the value of nothing, are unlikely to realize that it's exactly undocumented immigrants, exploited and taken advantage of to the hilt, who hold a giant mirror right before our faces, for us to recognize who we are. Oh, and, also how careless and disrespectful of other humans we have become, while we all, in a variety of ways, benefit from both the working poor and undocumented immigrants without realizing, or caring for, it, or them, for that matter.

No, the working poor are not a benefit to our country. They cost us more them they produce. At least be honest with yourself.

Mark.

What are you saying!? Lol fascist sounding

Reality isn't fascist. It simply is.

Mark

What should we do with the pesky poor?

What should we do with them? The poor will always be with us. What we don't need to do is import more poor people.

Mark

 

[PoliticalChic]

You people are aware of the large fake ID blackmarket in the US?

Epidemic of stolen social security numbers?

And, Democrats make it easy:
"The biggest misconception about the problem of non-citizen voting is that illegal aliens are "undocumented." That's nonsense. Some experts believe that up to 75% of illegals who work in America have fraudulent Social Security cards. Fake licenses, birth certificates, and green cards are incredibly common. The fake ID industry is worth more than $2 billion."
Report: As Many as 5.7 Million Non-Citizens Voted in 2008 Election



".....legal immigrants are well vetted, and if they have criminal records in their countries of origin they are generally ineligible for admission to American.

The same cannot be said for illegal aliens because virtually all adult, illegal aliens commit felonies in order to procure the documents they need to get jobs, to drive and to obtain other benefits that are restricted to U.S. citizens.

The vast majority of illegal aliens use fraudulently obtained Social Security numbers. They possess fake drivers’ licenses, phony “green cards,” fraudulent birth certificates and any other documents that U.S. citizens and legal residents have. In addition, they falsify I-9 forms under penalty of perjury. Thus, the average illegal alien routinely commits multiple felonies –forgery, Social Security fraud, identity theft, and perjury."
Most illegal aliens routinely commit felonies

 

[Marion Morrison]

You people are aware of the large fake ID blackmarket in the US?

Epidemic of stolen social security numbers?

Well Marion, had the people who have made a religion out of this immigration discussion simply stayed at home 15 years ago, the patriot / constitutionalist movement had this under control for you.

You're now arguing for equal slavery under the law.

Wut? 15 years ago, it was 2004.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

You people are aware of the large fake ID blackmarket in the US?

Epidemic of stolen social security numbers?

Well Marion, had the people who have made a religion out of this immigration discussion simply stayed at home 15 years ago, the patriot / constitutionalist movement had this under control for you.

You're now arguing for equal slavery under the law.

Wut? 15 years ago, it was 2004.

That was just about the time that the constitutionalists and patriots were being raided by a one issue mindset of people.

 

[Moonglow]

You people are aware of the large fake ID blackmarket in the US?

Epidemic of stolen social security numbers?

Well Marion, had the people who have made a religion out of this immigration discussion simply stayed at home 15 years ago, the patriot / constitutionalist movement had this under control for you.

You're now arguing for equal slavery under the law.

Wut? 15 years ago, it was 2004.

That was just about the time that the constitutionalists and patriots were being raided by a one issue mindset of people.

Freedom Fries?

 

[MarathonMike]

A novel idea for the USMB: Fact checking the cost of illegal immigrants.

Cost of Illegal Immigrants - FactCheck.org

I know Republicans think that fact checkers are liars. Because reality facts just don’t jive with right wing facts.

What’s nice about this article, is that it not only debunks right wing claims one at a time, but also posts actual links.

One of my favorite facts that are pointed out by this article is the number of links right wingers make to Lou Dobbs.

FactCheck.org nor anyone else can accurately determine the cost of illegal immigrants because "cost" has many components which are very difficult to measure. For example how do you measure the cost of a premature anchor baby with health issues that will require a lifetime of medical attention? Or the costs of immigrant kids who require special attention and teachers in school while bringing the overall school performance down? Which then increases the property taxes of those supporting the schools to get the school's performance back up?

 

[harmonica]

here, we need to cut illegal and legal crap
this is costing tax $$$$:
18-Year-Old Mohamad Alajil Accused Of Killing Friend In ‘No Lackin Challenge’ Shooting