A non-combative, serious question for the left.

[PredFan]

Note to self:

There are a very few Obama supporters that are interested in doing anything other than bashing anyone who disagrees.

And there are very few Romney supports who are interested in anything other than that. Most political discussions turn in to huge pissing matches.

Just fyi, I counted you as a contributor of value.

 

[PredFan]

Democrats, Liberals, Progressives, and Obama supporters, I need to hear your thoughts on this question. Information gathering here, I may ask follow-up questions but it is not my intention to argue.

Why is it that the hollywood elite, somebusinessmen like Warren Buffet, and other rich Americans throw their full support behind obama? Even when they know that "spread the wealth" means money being taken away from them? Why would these people want everyone to have the same stuff when it would mean that they themselves had no more than anyone else?

I ask because I'm cynical about their motives.

NOTE: Serious answers will be read and concidered, right wing bashing for it's own sake will be ignored.

"Spread the wealth" means "sharing" and not hogging all the wealth - which does not inherently mean everyone having the same stuff or having no more than anyone else. Lefties don't want an Ayn Rand society. Americans could learn a lot from Brazil.

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Hmmm....Although I see a whole lot of problems with that belief (that would be for another thread), it might be a good explanation for what I asked.

 

[PredFan]

Democrats, Liberals, Progressives, and Obama supporters, I need to hear your thoughts on this question. Information gathering here, I may ask follow-up questions but it is not my intention to argue.

Why is it that the hollywood elite, somebusinessmen like Warren Buffet, and other rich Americans throw their full support behind obama? Even when they know that "spread the wealth" means money being taken away from them? Why would these people want everyone to have the same stuff when it would mean that they themselves had no more than anyone else?

I ask because I'm cynical about their motives.

NOTE: Serious answers will be read and concidered, right wing bashing for it's own sake will be ignored.

Because Obama isn't trying to "spread the wealth". No one on the left is seriously calling for "everyone to have the same stuff". That's hyperbole, not reality.

This isn't a matter of black and white. Support for a progressive income tax system doesn't mean support of "equalizing wealth".

Well, he does say "spread the wealth", he has said that several times and the media repeats it. I have heard here and elsewhere that everyone should have an equal amount of "stuff".

You are saying that this is all about a progressive income tax?

 

[PredFan]

It has not been an unusual occurrence for very wealthy men to attempt to leave a narcissistic philanthropic mark on the world such as building opera houses and endowing colleges, others go further and try to leave a positive mark on humanity, the republican party is certainly not the vehicle for such an aim that is nevertheless still narcissistic and vain. The left does not need them and would be better off without their vain meddling in populist matters.

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[PredFan]

Democrats, Liberals, Progressives, and Obama supporters, I need to hear your thoughts on this question. Information gathering here, I may ask follow-up questions but it is not my intention to argue.

Why is it that the hollywood elite, somebusinessmen like Warren Buffet, and other rich Americans throw their full support behind obama? Even when they know that "spread the wealth" means money being taken away from them? Why would these people want everyone to have the same stuff when it would mean that they themselves had no more than anyone else?

I ask because I'm cynical about their motives.

NOTE: Serious answers will be read and concidered, right wing bashing for it's own sake will be ignored.

False premise(s).

Spreading the wealth is not akin even distribution of wealth


huge fail

move-on is more than just a dot org

As some people have taken the time to correct me in a mature and helpful way. Unlike yourself.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Democrats, Liberals, Progressives, and Obama supporters, I need to hear your thoughts on this question. Information gathering here, I may ask follow-up questions but it is not my intention to argue.

Why is it that the hollywood elite, somebusinessmen like Warren Buffet, and other rich Americans throw their full support behind obama? Even when they know that "spread the wealth" means money being taken away from them? Why would these people want everyone to have the same stuff when it would mean that they themselves had no more than anyone else?

I ask because I'm cynical about their motives.

NOTE: Serious answers will be read and concidered, right wing bashing for it's own sake will be ignored.

Because Obama isn't trying to "spread the wealth". No one on the left is seriously calling for "everyone to have the same stuff". That's hyperbole, not reality.

This isn't a matter of black and white. Support for a progressive income tax system doesn't mean support of "equalizing wealth".

Well, he does say "spread the wealth", he has said that several times and the media repeats it. I have heard here and elsewhere that everyone should have an equal anmount of "stuff".

TYou are saying that this is all about a progressive income tax?

Cite the examples from here, please.

If you cannot, please agree to stop parroting your radio talking points.

Thanks.

 

[konradv]

Democrats, Liberals, Progressives, and Obama supporters, I need to hear your thoughts on this question. Information gathering here, I may ask follow-up questions but it is not my intention to argue.

Why is it that the hollywood elite, somebusinessmen like Warren Buffet, and other rich Americans throw their full support behind obama? Even when they know that "spread the wealth" means money being taken away from them? Why would these people want everyone to have the same stuff when it would mean that they themselves had no more than anyone else?

I ask because I'm cynical about their motives.

NOTE: Serious answers will be read and concidered, right wing bashing for it's own sake will be ignored.

Because Obama isn't trying to "spread the wealth". No one on the left is seriously calling for "everyone to have the same stuff". That's hyperbole, not reality.

This isn't a matter of black and white. Support for a progressive income tax system doesn't mean support of "equalizing wealth".

Well, he does say "spread the wealth", he has said that several times and the media repeats it. I have heard here and elsewhere that everyone should have an equal anmount of "stuff".

Perhaps you have, but you're just highlighting a fringe position and suggesting it's policy.

 

[PredFan]

Democrats, Liberals, Progressives, and Obama supporters, I need to hear your thoughts on this question. Information gathering here, I may ask follow-up questions but it is not my intention to argue.

Why is it that the hollywood elite, somebusinessmen like Warren Buffet, and other rich Americans throw their full support behind obama? Even when they know that "spread the wealth" means money being taken away from them? Why would these people want everyone to have the same stuff when it would mean that they themselves had no more than anyone else?

I ask because I'm cynical about their motives.

NOTE: Serious answers will be read and concidered, right wing bashing for it's own sake will be ignored.

Another question..........................why is it that celebrities like Ted Nugent and Donald Trump throw their full support behind Romney and nobody questions it?

I guess the GOP can't get the A list celebrities.

<dismissed>

 

[PredFan]

Why is it that the hollywood elite, somebusinessmen like Warren Buffet, and other rich Americans throw their full support behind obama? Even when they know that "spread the wealth" means money being taken away from them? Why would these people want everyone to have the same stuff when it would mean that they themselves had no more than anyone else?

Because they know that ‘spread the wealth’ is a myth. They know that nothing will be ‘taken away from them.’ And they know that their wealth and privilege is in 's no way threatened by Obama or the democrats.

They know that both the president and members of his party are avid supporters of the free market system and capitalism.

They’re also pragmatists, they understand that government can have a positive effect on those less fortunate and there are issues appropriate for the public sector alone to address.

Last, they’re advocates of protecting civil rights and individual liberties, so naturally they support the president and his party.

PredFan,

Why have you failed to respond to this post and Dante's posts about why your questions are dishonest to start with.

You asked for mature responses and these two were generous enough to give them to you. Please respond.

Dante's post was antagonistic and abusive. He is being ignored in this thread.

I answered Clayton I believe.

 

[PredFan]

Democrats, Liberals, Progressives, and Obama supporters, I need to hear your thoughts on this question. Information gathering here, I may ask follow-up questions but it is not my intention to argue.

Why is it that the hollywood elite, somebusinessmen like Warren Buffet, and other rich Americans throw their full support behind obama? Even when they know that "spread the wealth" means money being taken away from them? Why would these people want everyone to have the same stuff when it would mean that they themselves had no more than anyone else?

I ask because I'm cynical about their motives.

NOTE: Serious answers will be read and concidered, right wing bashing for it's own sake will be ignored.

BTW, the premise of your thread is disingenuous bullshit, which is easy to spot because of your choice of words and phrasing.

Damn. I wish I'd have seen this post before I thanked your for your contribution.

It was as I stated, an honest question. Some people, including you corrected me. Too bad you had to ruin it with this shit.

 

[PredFan]

Democrats, Liberals, Progressives, and Obama supporters, I need to hear your thoughts on this question. Information gathering here, I may ask follow-up questions but it is not my intention to argue.

Why is it that the hollywood elite, somebusinessmen like Warren Buffet, and other rich Americans throw their full support behind obama? Even when they know that "spread the wealth" means money being taken away from them? Why would these people want everyone to have the same stuff when it would mean that they themselves had no more than anyone else?

I ask because I'm cynical about their motives.

NOTE: Serious answers will be read and concidered, right wing bashing for it's own sake will be ignored.

Why? Because there are several schools of thought on how to build a sustainable economy that is not subject to wild flucuations.

One is to build a nation with a small group of very rich people that run the show.

The other is to build a nation where social mobility is possible through hard work and education. Buffet is in this school of thought.

It's also something the constitution mandates.

I agree with you on this post, but probably don't agree with how it ties to my OP. However, that is probably left for another thread of it's own since it involves discussions about economics and socialism.

Thanks for your input. Some of you have given me food for thought.

 

[PredFan]

Some wealthy Americans are still patriots.

They fully understand that their wealth is the result of us having a functional nation.

They see this nation trending down and they're quite reasonably concerned that their gravy train will break down if the American society derails.

So basically their willingness to accept a greater share of the taxation is ENLIGHTEN SELF INTEREST.

Interesting take on it.

 

[PredFan]

Democrats, Liberals, Progressives, and Obama supporters, I need to hear your thoughts on this question. Information gathering here, I may ask follow-up questions but it is not my intention to argue.

Why is it that the hollywood elite, somebusinessmen like Warren Buffet, and other rich Americans throw their full support behind obama? Even when they know that "spread the wealth" means money being taken away from them? Why would these people want everyone to have the same stuff when it would mean that they themselves had no more than anyone else?

I ask because I'm cynical about their motives.

NOTE: Serious answers will be read and concidered, right wing bashing for it's own sake will be ignored.

Unless your version of spread the wealth is pure communism, it doesn't mean that everyone has the same amount of stuff. In the case of America, it might mean that instead of some people having 100,000 times as much as others, maybe they'd have 100x.

Why would anyone advocate that? because huge disparities in wealth cause a ton of social problems.

I could go over Obama's associations with Communists, from what he says in his books, his parent's beliefs, and who he conciders his mentors, but that will derail the thread. The reason I bring it up is to say that my belief is that it is not MY VERSION of spread the wealth, it is my belief what HIS version is. Based on what he says.

But thanks, this is pretty much what many people are saying, that they do it because they believe that the wealthy should pay more than they do, but not all they have.

 

[PredFan]

Where the fuck are ya, dummy?

I have a job you worthless shithead.

<dismissed>

 

[PredFan]

Because Obama isn't trying to "spread the wealth". No one on the left is seriously calling for "everyone to have the same stuff". That's hyperbole, not reality.

This isn't a matter of black and white. Support for a progressive income tax system doesn't mean support of "equalizing wealth".

Well, he does say "spread the wealth", he has said that several times and the media repeats it. I have heard here and elsewhere that everyone should have an equal anmount of "stuff".

TYou are saying that this is all about a progressive income tax?

Cite the examples from here, please.

If you cannot, please agree to stop parroting your radio talking points.

Thanks.

I don't care whether you believe me or not. You are dismissed.

 

[PredFan]

Because Obama isn't trying to "spread the wealth". No one on the left is seriously calling for "everyone to have the same stuff". That's hyperbole, not reality.

This isn't a matter of black and white. Support for a progressive income tax system doesn't mean support of "equalizing wealth".

Well, he does say "spread the wealth", he has said that several times and the media repeats it. I have heard here and elsewhere that everyone should have an equal anmount of "stuff".

Perhaps you have, but you're just highlighting a fringe position and suggesting it's policy.

Fringe position? Obama himself said "Spread the wealth". Is he lying, being hyperbolic, or was it a gaff?

I can see that, as others have pointed out, that it doesn't mean everyone has the same stuff, but unless Obama means something else, he's saying spread the wealth.

 

[Listening]

They have so much thaty they wouldn't miss a few bucks.

Is that why Joe Biden gives nothing to Charity ?

 

[PredFan]

So, the answer to the OP is that many people; hollywood elite, some businessmen, and some tycoons, feel that they won't mind paying more if it will help others. They don't believe that they will have to give everything untill everyone else has the same amount of money and possessions they just feel that the rich should give more.

My cynicism about some of the Hollywood types' motives may in fact be too cynical.

I'm not convinced about Buffet and the other wealthy businessmen and tycoons. That however, is for another thread and infact has been gone over many times here.

Thanks to all who gave their input maturely. I now return us to our regular abusive postings and threads.

 

[Listening]

So, the answer to the OP is that many people; hollywood elite, some businessmen, and some tycoons, feel that they won't mind paying more if it will help others. They don't believe that they will have to give everything untill everyone else has the same amount of money and possessions they just feel that the rich should give more.

My cynicism about some of the Hollywood types' motives may in fact be too cynical.

I'm not convinced about Buffet and the other wealthy businessmen and tycoons. That however, is for another thread and infact has been gone over many times here.

Thanks to all who gave their input maturely. I now return us to our regular abusive postings and threads.

I would argue that the problem is that you have a skewed view, on the part of hollywood, about people in general. They don't live normal lives.

We have shown time after time that throwing money at a problem is not a good approach. The question is what does helping someone out mean. It does not always mean making them comfortable.

In fact, I would say that is not helping them out.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Comfortable? Is that what you envision the goal of Liberals to be? To help make everyone "comfortable"?