A Nobel Peace Prize for Julian Assange?

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What do you think of Wachter's article?

  1. Wachter is nuts.

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  2. Wachter is right.

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  3. Wachter is both right and wrong and I'll explain.

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  4. The poll options don't fit what I think but I'll explain.

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  1. Foxfyre
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    DISCLAIMER: I am not--repeat NOT--offering a personal opinion on Julian Assange here though I do have a personal opinion about all that which I will probably share later.

    But I will admit that this Paul Wachter piece did make me back up and rethink some of my opinion about all that:

    So what do you think? Is Assange a villain who is attempting to undermine the security and integrity of the USA? Or is he a hero and a wakeup call for indefensible corruption in government that nobody has the courage to address?

    Did the quoted piece make any difference in how you look at this? Or do you see Wachter as being over the top and indefensible in his point of view?
     
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    He's some of both and more.

    Compared to the government he's a virtual saint, should be canonized. His leaks regarding war may well be worthy of a peace prize Obama never earned but still received. There is clearly a danger in disclosing sensitive information, but it's pretty mild danger in context. Esp since we have maintained arsenals capable of even accidentally destroying much of the world for decades. Esp considering our nearly constant wars.

    But mostly the hypocrisy and danger posed by a government that spys on absolutely everybody but demands secrecy of it's own affairs, affairs that in most cases we have a need to know more about......well that's where assange looks downright saintly in contrast.

    But in real life he probably has a few screws loose and a tendency toward sensationalism and gratuitous risk. He may also have an ego disorder. So typical of public figures anymore.

    Does it matter if he is a self serving idealist if he does end up promoting a good outcome? Should we blame him if the response to his leaks dampens civil liberties forever?
     
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    Both interesting questions.

    Do you convict Robinhood for theft if he intends only to do good for others with the money? Does a good motive for committing a crime absolve the person of the consequences for the crime itself? How long could we maintain a law abiding and orderly society if we adopted that point of view?

    But if the response to another's crime takes away my unalienable right or rights, it is difficult to blame the offender for the loss of my rights.

    How many who despise the Patriot Act blame Al Qaida for its implementation?

    Yet if you break the law in order to save my life, I will not want you to suffer any consequence for breaking the law.

    It is a puzzlement is it not?
     
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    it's new terrain and it dredges up a lot of important issues that will have lasting ramifications.

    Not the least of which is what do we do about cyber warriors who attack government and corporate sites that are attacking their associates but not attacking Der Spiegel, The Guardian or the NYT?
     
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    IMHO..it won't dampen civil liberties. The more documents I am seeing the more I am getting angry about what our government is keeping from us.

    President Bush allowing the Russians a conduit to sell weapons in the Sudan is reprehensible. Even if they did nothing about it..they should have made it public that this was on-going.
     
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    The Chinese dissident, IIRC, didn't receive stolen classified information from a traitor so I'm just not seeing the comparison.

    btw, have you heard what was released about Dubya today?
     
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    no, but i've heard whiny stuffs about obama's admin....

    is this a bombshell ravi...i'm so excited....post it!!!!!
     
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    I'd support giving him the Peace Prize, even though it's essentially worthless.
     
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    My personal opinion is that Julian Assange should be shot on sight.
     
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    Really? And keep it all a secret forever more? Aren't you a little bit curious about what else he has?
     

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