A Middle-Age Child's Nutty Demand

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    1. "She's a couple of years younger than Mozart was at the time he croaked, but, if the Dems are to be believed, the plucky little Grade 24 schoolgirl has already made an even greater contribution to humanity. She's had the courage to stand up in public and demand that someone else (and this is where one is obliged to tiptoe cautiously, lest offense is given to gallant defenders of the good name of American maidenhood such as the many prestigious soon-to-be-former sponsors of this column who've booked Bill Maher for their corporate retreat with his amusing "Sarah Palin is a c***" routine ...that someone else pay for her sex life.


    2. ...she's attending Georgetown, a nominally Catholic seat of learning, so how expensive can that be?
    Alas, Georgetown is so nominally Catholic that the cost of her sex life runs to three grand — and, according to the star witness, 40% of female students "struggle financially" because of the heavy burden of maintaining a respectable level of pre-marital sex at a Jesuit institution.

    3. ...I'd say the core issue here is not religious liberty ...Nor is the core issue liberty in its more basic sense — although it would certainly surprise America's founders that their republic of limited government is now the first nation in the developed world to compel private employers to fully fund the sex lives of their employees.


    4. Nor is it even the distinctively American wrinkle the Republic of Paperwork has given to governmentalized health care, under which the "right to privacy" the Supreme Court claimed to have discovered in Griswold vs. Connecticut and Roe vs. Wade will now lead to thousands and thousands of self-insuring employers keeping computer records of the morning-after pills and herpes medication...


    5. Nor is the issue that America has 30-year-old schoolkids — or even 30-year-old school kids who expect someone else to pick up the tab for their extracurricular activities, rather than doing a paper route and a bit of yard work to save up for their first IUD, as we did back in my day.

    6. All of us are born with the unalienable right to life, liberty, and a lifetime supply of premium ribbed silky-smooth ultrasensitive spermicidal lubricant condoms. No taxation without rubberization, as the Minutemen said. The shot heard round the world, and all that.



    7. ... the Fluke story is a useful reminder that the distinction between fiscal and social conservatism is generally false. As almost all those fashionable split-the-difference fiscally conservative/socially liberal governors from George Pataki to California's pathetically terminated Terminator eventually discover, their social liberalism comes with a Hell of a price tag.

    8. Ask the Greeks how easy it is for insolvent nations to wean the populace off unaffordable nanny-state lollipops: When even casual sex requires a state welfare program, you're pretty much done for.


    9. No, the most basic issue here is not religious morality, individual liberty, or fiscal responsibility. It's that a society in which middle-aged children of privilege testify before the most powerful figures in the land to demand state-enforced funding for their sex lives at a time when their government owes more money than anyone has ever owed in the history of the planet is quite simply nuts.

    10. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom," wrote Benjamin Franklin in 1784. In the absence of religious virtue, sexual virtue, and fiscal virtue, one might trust to the people's sense of sheer preposterousness to reject the official narrative of the Fluke charade. Yet even that is not to be permitted....

    ...The left's urge to narrow the bounds of public discourse and insist that "conventional wisdom" unknown to the world the day before yesterday is now as unquestionable as the Laws of Physics.


    Nothing that Rush said is as weird or as degrading as what Sandra Fluke and the Obama administration are demanding."
    Sandra Fluke's Financial Strain To Maintain A Respectable Pre-marital Sex Life At A Jesuit School - Investors.com
     
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    I'm trying to parse that down a bit. Basically, you're saying that our Churches and religious institutions have failed so miserably at imparting their chastity values to their own people, that we now have a problem that has reached a government level debate on how the public interest is best served in this sphere.

    Bottom line: The pill cost less than maternity leave or a c section. The Church is impotent to convince it's own followers not to have recreational sex and the government doesn't care, nor should it care, one way or the other. The insurance companies will ultimately hold sway and they will favor covering pills rather than pregnancies.
     
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    Interesting post, Willy...at the same time obscure, yet inferring where there is no basis for same....

    1. "...our Churches and religious institutions have failed so miserably..."
    Let's broaden that a bit...

    a. The sixties was a pivotal time in the formation, or reformation of this culture. One interesting explanation involves the numbers of individual coming of age at the time, who must be civilized by their families, schools, and churches. A particularly large wave may swamp the institutions responsible for teaching traditions and standards.
    Bork, "Slouching Toward Gomorrah."

    b. “Rathenau called [this] ‘the vertical invasion of the barbarians.’” Jose Ortega y Gasset, “The Revolt of the Masses,” p. 53. The baby boomers were a generation so large that they formed their own culture. The generation from 1922-1947 numbered 43.6 million, while that of 1946-1964 had 79 million. Would it surprise anyone if this culture was opposed to that of their parents?

    2. What you have done in your post, and possibly in your worldview, is focus on 'a tree' when there is an entire forest of inputs....

    The result is what Hayek referred to in "The Fatal Conceit." Although it refers to socialism, he explains the primary conceit, that the human mind can a) conceive, and b) implement a better way of accomplishing a process than the one worked out over millennia by a mechanism more suited to the task than the human mind….that process being the interaction of human beings, each of whom wants something from the other, and all of whom must live together.

    So, "The pill cost less than maternity leave or a c section" is a conclusory statement based on insufficient data, or understanding of the events that brought us to this moment.

    3. The values and traditions that would once upon a time be aghast at this 30-something person demanding that society support- in every sense- her lifestyle, no longer hold sway with the elites and those who obey their conceits....

    People have intelligence...why blame the churches for our dilemma?
    The bottom line?
    We are better than this.
     
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    I'm not sure I blame the church. I'm just stating the obvious: They have become ineffective as the leaders of sexual habit. Almost no one, including their own, practice more than lip service to the churches stance on sexual issues.

    I think the portrayal of this as paying someone to have sex is just not an honest position. It's a political one. The church has become impotent on the issue so they argue for the government to help them do what they can't anymore.
     
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    Murdering babies shortly after they are born cuts down on maternity leave too. Mothers no longer have to worry about giving up those entertaining nights out or even pay out hard earned money for baby sitters.

    Liberals intend to totally separate recreational sex from it's purpose of propagation of the species. To shift the responsiblity for the results of recreational sex to the public at large. It is not a failure of personal responsiblity, but a failure of the entire society that the pregnancy has even happened. And, it must be corrected without charge or penalty.

    There is something vaguely disconcerting about reducing women to the sexual status of a dog in heat, permanently, 24/7, without control over her biological impulses. What's surprising is that so many women are so unutterably supid and easily manipulated that they buy into this claptrap without question. They simply MUST spread their legs as often as they can with as many willing men as they can find because they are biologically incapable of saying no. It is their "healthy recreation". No more interesting or important than a nice romping tennis match.

    Why do so many women accept this kind of debasement?
     
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    The Church has been ineffective at countering the vast media blitz promoting indiscriminate sex. They have become ineffective as leaders of sexual habit because the family has collapsed and no longer is effective in reinforcing Church teachings. Instead there is a sex driven media replacing the intrinsic value of a human being with a devaluation of humanity itself.
     
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    The status of sex as purely a reproductive tool is dead my friend. Again, this is an idea that the Church has failed to impart to it's own flock. Asking the government to correct it won't help. The secular answer IS birth control. Because the secular idea doesn't have anything to do with some moral idea about the "intended" purpose of sex. There is a more pragmatic view that looks more at the SURE results of sex that we have to deal with. There is logic to the lefts idea that controlling unwanted pregnancy translates into fewer hungry babies to feed on the public dime. And this makes sense coming from the crowd that supports actually feeding hungry babies. What makes less sense is the crowd who raises sand about feeding other people's children also being the same crowd hell bent on making sure those babies are delivered .... so they might have the joy of starving them, I guess.
     
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    I wouldn't argue with you here. You are right. The end result is my observation: The Church is ineffective in this mission these days. They just can't convince people to not have recreational sex. WHY they can't do this anymore is kind of beside the point.
     
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    I agree, sex as a reproductive tool is absolutely dead. So is being responsible for any children. It is part and parcel of a general degeneracy that permeats our culture and one of the reasons why it will eventually collapse under the weight of a mountain of depravity. It is unfair to expect parents to care and feed their own children. It is expected that people today will starve those children if the public won't step up to the plate and put food into those hungry little mouths. How DARE we be so heartless as to expect Mom to forego anything at all to feed her kids. How DARE we expect some man to kick in a few bucks. He will be deprived of a six pack or two and gosh darn it, he has a RIGHT to that.

    We have a people, a general citizenry, a population, that degrades and debases itself. A people who find it reasonable to war on its own children as a way of exercising some bizarre concept of freedom. The government for all of its faults and foibles is being responsive to a population that has elevated death of children to a lofty perch of admiration. The government for all of its own faults and foibles has only responded to women who do not have the same respect for their bodies as does a bitch in an alley. I have to say this about dogs, a bitch doesn't lift her tail for any male that comes along. Sometimes she sits on it. Male dogs respect that expression of no. They don't come up with ridiculous studies of how healthy indiscriminate sex is. Which is far more than I can say about the average men and women we have today.

    Animals in the wild aren't as foolish as Americans today.
     
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    You have some good points, despite all the hyperbole. But I don't see anything that supports the Churches notion that they should resort to an economic fight over this simply because they have lost the moral fight.
     

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