A Measure Of Insanity

[irosie91]

The possibility of making contraception available, affordable, and educable doesn't ever seem to enter these conversations...

educable?

Is there a word you'd prefer for "Every child over the age of___should understand how pregnancy happens and how to prevent it when it's not wanted"?

yes------sane parents

 

[Flanders]

PS----lots of my colleagues agree with me

To irosie91: How many disagree?

If you want to add the SPIRITUAL issues---fine with me

To irosie91: Not killing children is a moral judgement:

moral (adjective)

1. Of or concerned with the judgment of the goodness or badness of human action and character: moral scrutiny; a moral quandary.

2. Teaching or exhibiting goodness or correctness of character and behavior: a moral lesson.

3. Conforming to standards of what is right or just in behavior; virtuous: a moral life.

4. Arising from conscience or the sense of right and wrong: a moral obligation.

5. Having psychological rather than physical or tangible effects: a moral victory; moral support.

6.Based on strong likelihood or firm conviction, rather than on the actual evidence: a moral certainty.

noun

1. The lesson or principle contained in or taught by a fable, a story, or an event.

2. A concisely expressed precept or general truth; a maxim.

3. morals. Rules or habits of conduct, especially of sexual conduct, with reference to standards of right and wrong: a person of loose morals; a decline in the public morals.

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spiritual (adjective)

1. Of, relating to, consisting of, or having the nature of spirit; not tangible or material. See synonyms at immaterial.

2. Of, concerned with, or affecting the soul.

3. Of, from, or relating to God; deific.

4. Of or belonging to a church or religion; sacred.

5. Relating to or having the nature of spirits or a spirit; supernatural.

noun

1. Music. a. A religious folk song of American Black origin. b. A work composed in imitation of such a song.

2. Often spirituals . Religious, spiritual, or ecclesiastical matters.

[Middle English, from Old French spirituel, from Latin spìrituâlis, of breathing, spiritual, from spìritus, breath. See spirit.]

spiritually (adverb)

spiritualness (noun)​

Keep posting talking points with your personal life story and somebody who knows better might change their position.

The possibility of making contraception available, affordable, and educable doesn't ever seem to enter these conversations...

To Arianrhod: It most certainly does, although the pro-abortion crowd demand that tax dollars pay for every form of contraception in addition to abortions on demand:

Incidentally, the private sector money behind abortion is astronomical. Sad to say that every penny given to abortion “charities” is passed on to everyone else by the charitable tax deduction. In short: At least 50 percent of Americans who oppose abortion end up paying for them:

 

[irosie91]

answer to the FLANDERS question ----one-----I ran into only one person who claimed to be an OB-GYN physician who stated "abortion is simple contraception" I do not believe that he was really a physician----it was a NET discussion

 

[Flanders]

answer to the FLANDERS question ----one-----I ran into only one person who claimed to be an OB-GYN physician who stated "abortion is simple contraception" I do not believe that he was really a physician----it was a NET discussion

To irosie91: How in hell did he disagree with abortion? My question was:

To irosie91: How many disagree?

 

[Arianrhod]

The possibility of making contraception available, affordable, and educable doesn't ever seem to enter these conversations...

educable?

Is there a word you'd prefer for "Every child over the age of___should understand how pregnancy happens and how to prevent it when it's not wanted"?

yes------sane parents

Fair enough. But when the parents are Abstinence Only types like Rep. Bill Cassidy, who's going to step up for their children?

 

[irosie91]

answer to the FLANDERS question ----one-----I ran into only one person who claimed to be an OB-GYN physician who stated "abortion is simple contraception" I do not believe that he was really a physician----it was a NET discussion

To irosie91: How in hell did he disagree with abortion? My question was:

To irosie91: How many disagree?

I commented on MY OWN POSITION on abortion which is that using abortion as if it is
a simple means of CONTRACEPTION -----is---
abhorrent. The putative net OB-GYN disagreed with me and insisted----it is nothing
more than------an easy way to achieve contraception----fine and good. Russians are
big on CASUAL USE abortion

 

[Flanders]

To irosie91: How many disagree?

I commented on MY OWN POSITION on abortion which is that using abortion as if it is
a simple means of CONTRACEPTION -----is---
abhorrent. The putative net OB-GYN disagreed with me and insisted----it is nothing
more than------an easy way to achieve contraception----fine and good. Russians are
big on CASUAL USE abortion

To irosie91: Okay! If you say so.

 

[Flanders]

Never, never, never, under any circumstance give the government the authority to kill their own people.

First it was Oregon:

Nearly 1,000 people have killed themselves through the practice in Oregon since it became legal in the state in 1998.​

Now it is California:

Gov. Jerry Brown, a Democrat came around to the doctor’s side when he signed the End of Life Option Act into law in October, allowing physicians to prescribe lethal drugs to terminally ill, mentally-capable patients.​

First right-to-die clinic opens in California
By Bradford Richardson
Thursday, June 9, 2016

First right-to-die clinic opens in California​

NOTE: Tax dollars funding Planned Parenthood’s infanticide followed Roe v. Wade.

Socialism’s Culture of Death works incrementally in all things. You can be certain that tax dollars will pay for suicide. Indeed, I am not sure that medical butchers are not already paid tax dollars to kill with kindness.

And you can take this one the bank. Planned Parenthood’s baby parts business will quickly be adopted by a new industry selling body parts harvested from suicides. Legally, suicides can give permission which babies never do.

 

[anotherlife]

I think it was the Nazis that had this one right. If you are a slowbie, then you can't contribute much so you will be hanged. If you commit a failed suicide then you are too stupid to commit even a murder so you hang again. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

No cogent person ever said that "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result." What has been said is that one indicator of insanity might be doing the same thing over and over again...

What PJO'Rourke actually did say was, "If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's 'free.'"

There is nothing inherently "wrong" with "single payer." It works reasonably well in most western democracies where it has been implemented. As with any other broad-based program to meet a global need (e.g., mass transit), it has some things it handles very well and some things it handles very badly. Any legal subdivision moving from market-based provision of healthcare to single-payer will have glitches and growing pains, and it will have to be adjusted from time to time as more experience is gained.

But it is folly to suppose that you can superimpose a single-payer paradigm on a health care delivery system that has been created and thrived on the profit motive (ignoring for a moment the meaningless expressions "non-profit" and "not-for-profit"). It cannot work. The profiteering that follows Government paying all the bills will be monstrous - look at Medicare.

Keep in mind that the other Western Democracies that have implemented single-payer have not had to deal with the Tenth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, which prohibits the Federal Government from getting into the Healthcare business. Also, those countries made the decision to go with socialized medicine quite a while ago, while their health-care delivery infrastructure was not anywhere near as developed as the US healthcare delivery infrastructure is now.

Consider: to have a true single-payer system, the GOVERNMENT MUST EMPLOY ALL THE DOCTORS and other practitioners. They must become "employees," and they inevitably will form unions who will limit hours, maximize benefits, and otherwise gum up the system. Government must own and run the medical schools, hospitals, clinics, labs, rehab facilities, and assisted-care facilities. And in order to do this, government must impose a substantial dedicated tax to pay for all of it, similar to the FICA and Medicare taxes that we have now.

And everyone must be compelled to use the government's healthcare system, otherwise, the best doctors will simply opt-out, demanding higher fees from wealthy private clients, and everyone else will be left with bupkis. This was the single issue that killed Hillary-Care in the early 90's. Doctors were prohibited from operating outside the system.

A single state trying to go with single-payer is idiocy, on steroids.

I thought this was a pretty good (fair and balanced) look.

 

[Flanders]

Many of the wealthiest Americans, including Teddy Roosevelt, were eugenicists before the beginning of the twentieth century. As near as I can tell, legal abortion as a means of population control sprang from eugenics. Twenty-first century eugenicists include:

WASHINGTON – Many people know that the Nazis invoked science to try to justify their quest for a “Master Race.”​

But it might surprise most people to learn their evil application of eugenics, a supposed attempt to improve the human race, was modeled after a program in California greatly admired by Adolf Hitler.​

Eugenics making comeback as high-tech godsend
Posted By Garth Kant On 09/01/2016 @ 9:00 pm

Eugenics making comeback as high-tech godsend​

Nobody except me is calling Hillary Der gruppenführer. See this thread and you will see why she is a Nazi in every sense:

Wisdom never interferes in Hillary Clinton’s brutal agenda. Margaret Sanger, one of the cruelest woman on record, is Hillary’s role model:​

Hillary’s Wealthiest Parasites

 

[irosie91]

your theory relating to Nazism is insane. ------the concept of eugenics was not INVENTED in California-----nor was the
AGE OF ENLIGHTENMENT. In fact one can take EUGENICS as a program all the way back to Greece. Abnormally formed newborns were regularly abandoned and left to die------for the good of the race. Margaret Sanger was not cruel ---a bit weird--but not cruel

 

[Flanders]

one can take EUGENICS as a program all the way back to Greece. Abnormally formed newborns were regularly abandoned and left to die------for the good of the race.

To irosie91: Not so. Murdering children is as old as the human race, but ancient Greeks knew nothing about DNA.

The word eugenics comes from Greek meaning well-born —— that had nothing to do with science. The pseudoscience of eugenics was created in modern times:

In 1883, Sir Francis Galton, a respected British scholar and cousin of Charles Darwin, first used the term eugenics, meaning “well-born.” Galton believed that the human race could help direct its future by selectively breeding individuals who have “desired” traits. This idea was based on Galton’s study of upper class Britain. Following these studies, Galton concluded that an elite position in society was due to a good genetic makeup. While Galton’s plans to improve the human race through selective breeding never came to fruition in Britain, they eventually took sinister turns in other countries.

The eugenics movement began in the U.S. in the late 19th century. However, unlike in Britain, eugenicists in the U.S. focused on efforts to stop the transmission of negative or “undesirable” traits from generation to generation. In response to these ideas, some US leaders, private citizens, and corporations started funding eugenical studies. This lead to the 1911 establishment of The Eugenics Records Office (ERO) in Cold Spring Harbor, New York. The ERO spent time tracking family histories and concluded that people deemed to be unfit more often came from families that were poor, low in social standing, immigrant, and/or minority. Further, ERO researchers “demonstrated” that the undesirable traits in these families, such as pauperism, were due to genetics, and not lack of resources.

Introduction to Eugenics - Genetics Generation​

Wisdom never interferes in Hillary Clinton’s brutal agenda. Margaret Sanger, one of the cruelest woman on record, is Hillary’s role model:

Margaret Sanger was not cruel

To irosie91: Pooh-poohing cruelty to whitewash Hillary’s image is, itself, cruel.

---a bit weird--but not cruel

To irosie91: Eliminating the black race is a bit more than weird.

 

[irosie91]

one can take EUGENICS as a program all the way back to Greece. Abnormally formed newborns were regularly abandoned and left to die------for the good of the race.

To irosie91: Not so. Murdering children is as old as the human race, but ancient Greeks knew nothing about DNA.

The word eugenics comes from Greek meaning well-born —— that had nothing to do with science. The pseudoscience of eugenics was created in modern times:

In 1883, Sir Francis Galton, a respected British scholar and cousin of Charles Darwin, first used the term eugenics, meaning “well-born.” Galton believed that the human race could help direct its future by selectively breeding individuals who have “desired” traits. This idea was based on Galton’s study of upper class Britain. Following these studies, Galton concluded that an elite position in society was due to a good genetic makeup. While Galton’s plans to improve the human race through selective breeding never came to fruition in Britain, they eventually took sinister turns in other countries.

The eugenics movement began in the U.S. in the late 19th century. However, unlike in Britain, eugenicists in the U.S. focused on efforts to stop the transmission of negative or “undesirable” traits from generation to generation. In response to these ideas, some US leaders, private citizens, and corporations started funding eugenical studies. This lead to the 1911 establishment of The Eugenics Records Office (ERO) in Cold Spring Harbor, New York. The ERO spent time tracking family histories and concluded that people deemed to be unfit more often came from families that were poor, low in social standing, immigrant, and/or minority. Further, ERO researchers “demonstrated” that the undesirable traits in these families, such as pauperism, were due to genetics, and not lack of resources.

Introduction to Eugenics - Genetics Generation​

Wisdom never interferes in Hillary Clinton’s brutal agenda. Margaret Sanger, one of the cruelest woman on record, is Hillary’s role model:

Margaret Sanger was not cruel

To irosie91: Pooh-poohing cruelty to whitewash Hillary’s image is, itself, cruel.

---a bit weird--but not cruel

To irosie91: Eliminating the black race is a bit more than weird.

sheeeesh be not a cretin. The greeks---especially the SPARTANS did what they did without knowing about DNA . In fact Margaret Sanger died before the WATSON CRICK
model of the chromosome was "invented". The reality of
INHERITED characteristics were ascertained in ancient times----it even appears in the bible. People were BREEDING ANIMALS long before ADENOSINE AND GUANINE were
"invented". As to abortions-----a very ancient practice.
Eliminating the black race back then in her limited background referred to eliminating dense poverity and ignorance. Abe Lincoln was not all that smart about that issue either

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Psychosis is ----marked by "bizarre" ideation. which is, simply, belief in REALITIES---that are not real. Recognized faith based (religious) beliefs
are excluded from "bizarre" but psychotic persons do not get their hallucinations
and delusions from "nowhere"-----they are often ROOTED in their religion

Can you provide some supporting documentation for your claim ?

I don't recall seeing that in the article.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

I think it is great that a STATE is attempting to work out it's health care issues.

Better than doing it at a FEDERAL level.

We can learn from what they do good and what they do bad.

If they do it at all (and I hope they do).

Vermont decided it could not afford it. Colorado (fortunately) is not Vermont.

 

[irosie91]

Psychosis is ----marked by "bizarre" ideation. which is, simply, belief in REALITIES---that are not real. Recognized faith based (religious) beliefs
are excluded from "bizarre" but psychotic persons do not get their hallucinations
and delusions from "nowhere"-----they are often ROOTED in their religion

Can you provide some supporting documentation for your claim ?

I don't recall seeing that in the article.

read Kaplan's textbook of Psychiatry. It comes in two giant
volumes-----a few thousand pages------somewhere in there

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Psychosis is ----marked by "bizarre" ideation. which is, simply, belief in REALITIES---that are not real. Recognized faith based (religious) beliefs
are excluded from "bizarre" but psychotic persons do not get their hallucinations
and delusions from "nowhere"-----they are often ROOTED in their religion

Can you provide some supporting documentation for your claim ?

I don't recall seeing that in the article.

read Kaplan's textbook of Psychiatry. It comes in two giant
volumes-----a few thousand pages------somewhere in there

In other words.....no.

 

[irosie91]

Psychosis is ----marked by "bizarre" ideation. which is, simply, belief in REALITIES---that are not real. Recognized faith based (religious) beliefs
are excluded from "bizarre" but psychotic persons do not get their hallucinations
and delusions from "nowhere"-----they are often ROOTED in their religion

Can you provide some supporting documentation for your claim ?

I don't recall seeing that in the article.

read Kaplan's textbook of Psychiatry. It comes in two giant
volumes-----a few thousand pages------somewhere in there

In other words.....no.

in other word KAPLAN---Text book of Psychiatry----yes.
For the record----I am an expert----my testimony regarding
this issue would be accepted in a court of law

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Psychosis is ----marked by "bizarre" ideation. which is, simply, belief in REALITIES---that are not real. Recognized faith based (religious) beliefs
are excluded from "bizarre" but psychotic persons do not get their hallucinations
and delusions from "nowhere"-----they are often ROOTED in their religion

Can you provide some supporting documentation for your claim ?

I don't recall seeing that in the article.

read Kaplan's textbook of Psychiatry. It comes in two giant
volumes-----a few thousand pages------somewhere in there

In other words.....no.

in other word KAPLAN---Text book of Psychiatry----yes.
For the record----I am an expert----my testimony regarding
this issue would be accepted in a court of law

You can appreciate that such a claim over the internet is viewed with skepticism.

Why don't you summarize your argument....my guess is that you should be able to find a reference to it on the net.