A Lucrative Technical School or a Four-Year College Degree?

[Unkotare]

Fewer than one in seven community college students transfer and get a bachelor’s degree — but there is new hope

That is not necessarily bad
They are still getting an advanced education

They often earn more than those with a bachelors degree.

Community colleges provide a valuable service at low cost

True.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Don't forget the role of Unions in all this. For many trades, you can have all the training in the world, but to break in and actually get a job, you have to sign up for an apprenticeship, which often takes personal contacts. And even if you come in knowing "everything," you are still stuck with the wage scale defined by the union.

And non-union construction is very iffy. If you get in with a good company it can be fine, but there are a lot of fly-by-night companies who treat their people like schidt, not caring if you quit because there are plenty waiting for that job, no matter how crappy it is.

Most college degrees are worthless, and most college grads have forgotten 80% of what they "learned," while retaining a lot of garbage, as spouted by a faculty which has - by and large - never had a job in its life. But a degree demonstrates to an employer - theoretically - that you are a person who can take on a task, figure out how to do it, and get it done properly in a reasonable amount of time.

Theoretically.

It is bullshit conservative mantra that most college degrees are worthless

Tell it to your doctor, accountant, lawyer or engineer

They believe this because conservatism is based on keeping the population dumb and without the will of better.

 

[rightwinger]

Don't forget the role of Unions in all this. For many trades, you can have all the training in the world, but to break in and actually get a job, you have to sign up for an apprenticeship, which often takes personal contacts. And even if you come in knowing "everything," you are still stuck with the wage scale defined by the union.

And non-union construction is very iffy. If you get in with a good company it can be fine, but there are a lot of fly-by-night companies who treat their people like schidt, not caring if you quit because there are plenty waiting for that job, no matter how crappy it is.

Most college degrees are worthless, and most college grads have forgotten 80% of what they "learned," while retaining a lot of garbage, as spouted by a faculty which has - by and large - never had a job in its life. But a degree demonstrates to an employer - theoretically - that you are a person who can take on a task, figure out how to do it, and get it done properly in a reasonable amount of time.

Theoretically.

It is bullshit conservative mantra that most college degrees are worthless

Tell it to your doctor, accountant, lawyer or engineer

They believe this because conservatism is based on keeping the population dumb and without the will of better.

They worship at the alter of the uneducated while they condemn Scientists, Historians and Economists as "elitist"

 

[JoeMoma]

 

[jasonnfree]

Fewer than one in seven community college students transfer and get a bachelor’s degree — but there is new hope

That is not necessarily bad
They are still getting an advanced education

They often earn more than those with a bachelors degree.

Community colleges provide a valuable service at low cost

Agreed. Depending on the state and district, of course. Some of the community colleges are equal to or better than some trade schools, speaking from experience. I paid for welding school at the cost of several hundred dollars. Moved to California, and saw some of their community colleges having equal to, or better than, the trade school I went to in Texas. This was in the '60s.