Discussion in 'Law and Justice System' started by Red Dawn, Apr 24, 2009.
Defenders of torture have claimed the crucial information about Padilla was tortured out of Zubaydah. Mr. Soufan writing that the timeline on that does not add up. Torture methods for use against Mr. Zubaydah, having been approved in August of 2002, Mr. Padilla had been arrested in May 2002, three months earlier. The timeline also fails in already dubious claim about a plot to blow up L.A.s Library Tower, which we have been told was discovered under interrogation with enhanced interrogation techniques that we now know the Bush administration claimed it was not using until August 2002.
Water-BoredAl-Qaida's plot to bomb the Library Tower was not worth torturing anyone over.
More to the point here is that the timeline discrepancies highlight the unreliability of torture in securing actionable intelligence. Khalid Sheik Mohammed was captured and interrogated more than a year after the plot was claimed to be 'foiled' by his confession.
Furthermore, if the plan was thwarted or, as some intelligence experts assert, it never got beyond the planning stages before being abandoned, the torture of Mohammed constituted torture simply for the sake of torture.
Dumbass attacks by right wing Bush apologists here and elsewhere aside, the time line shoots their claims of torture breaking up ANY plot squarely in the ass.
Once again, PROVIDE evidence that water boarding was torture when we used it. Cite the law or Treaty that expressly forbid it. Failing that you have no point and no legal case.
Ohh for those not aware, medical teams were on stnadby and no one being water boarded by US operations was ever in danger of dieing or of extreme pain.
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But bear in mind that US soldiers were court martialed for water-boarding prisoners during the Philippine-American war...Japanese soldiers were hung for the crime of water-boarding US soldiers...And American GI was court martialed for water-boarding a VC prisoner during the Viet Nam war. There's nothing to argue. It's settled case law...water-boarding is torture.
Now, if you have ANY definitive evidence to prove otherwise, I'd love to see it, as would some former and current JAG's, some Senators, some Representatives, and I'm sure someone from the DOJ.
You should know better Gunny.
I think his point is, that waterboarding can be humane, and fun!, if done the right way, with doctors present and all.
So you can NOT provide an actual statute or Treaty that actually says it? Thanks though for playing.
How many times must it be said...? IT...IS...SETTLED...CASE...LAW, in which case it doesn't need to be explicitly stated in a specific statute that water-boarding is torture. You really need to ice your groin after that stretch Gunny...you probably pulled something...I mean besides your naughty bits.
Now, since you're all in favor of water-boarding, do you support the right of Iranians to water-board American journalist, Roxana Saberi if the feel so inclined?
Do you support the right of North Korea to water-board US journalists Euna Lee and Laura Ling if they so choose?
Yes or no.
And of course you would be wrong as usual. LAWYERS researched the matter before ever writing a brief on its use. If it were supposedly established case law they would never have said it was legal to use.
As for people held in North Korea, exactly what can you do about what EVER the North Koreans decide to do to them? Meanwhile you want to protect MASS MURDERING SCUM from some mental games. Ohh it might scare them.....
Get back to me when North Korea has the same level of Medical care as we do by the way, DUMB ASS.
so if north korea and iran had doctors present, and medical care present, you are in favor of them waterboarding american soldiers and american journalists.
you really are a piece of crap, you know that?
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