A letter to the Adults of the GOP

[Mac1958]

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Just for the record, I'm NOT Mormon but I DO have a pair of magic underpants.

Wearin' 'em right now. Pretty cool.

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As long as it isn't THIS kind of Magic Underwear...

I'm not saying NUTHIN'....

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[kaz]

So if someone were to go descecrate a grave of one of your loved ones, that'd be totally fine with you because they're dead and they don't care? I'm really trying to understand your logic here.

What a stupid analogy

Trust me, snookums, I'm not a Christian. I'm an atheist who just got burned by Mormons 30 years ago and now I'm having the time of my life mocking their stupid religion and tearing down their champion

You're an athiest who says Christianity makes sense unless it's Mormonism, and you hate them all because one did something to you 30 years ago. That...is typical of bigot rationalization.

Learn to deal.

You post on a message board, you just may get a reply. Learn to deal.

 

[kaz]

To which, again, I say, who cares. It doesn't involve us. Or it wouldn't if we kept our noses out of it, which is what any sensible person would do and what most of the world is doing.

Our government should keep it's nose out of it. Our government should give no country foreign aid. Americans who support Israel should provide the funds directly. But you can advocate that without being a raging anti-Semite. I pull it off, it can be done. How was your Klan rally this week? Did you manage to find a Mormon or Jew to lynch, Adolph?

 

[Foxfyre]

Agree or not, this piece is interesting.

"...Conservative Chickens Come Home to Roost by Matt Taibbi

"That's all the early conservative movement was. It was just a heartfelt request that we go back to the good old days of America as these people remembered or imagined it. Of course, the problem was, we couldn't go back, not just because more than half the population (particularly the nonwhite, non-straight, non-male segment of the population) desperately didn't want to go back, but also because that America never existed and was therefore impossible to recreate.

And when we didn’t go back to the good old days, this crowd got frustrated, and suddenly the message stopped being heartfelt and it got an edge to it.

The message went from, "We’re the real Americans; the others are the problem," to, "We’re the last line of defense; we hate those other people and they’re our enemies." Now it wasn’t just that the rest of us weren't getting with the program: Now we were also saboteurs, secretly or perhaps even openly conspiring with America’s enemies to prevent her return to the long-desired Days of Glory." Arizona Debate: Conservative Chickens Come Home to Roost | Matt Taibbi | Rolling Stone
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Of course that has been a consistent theme lately on numerous USMB threads: the concept that if you disagree with a Leftist or profess a conservative point of view, that will be identified (by the left) as hate speech. I watched the Arizona debate and didn't hear anybody demonize those on the left. I did hear conservative values promotied.

And yes, there is a message in the debates and from conservatives across the land that those holding conservative values ARE the last line of defense against a declining America and the final destruction of values that made it the greatest nation on Earth.

I don't feel hateful when I say that, but there are folks on the Left who will then insert a whole lot of non sequiturs, build all manner of straw men, and drag out all the red herrings to show how such a point of view is hateful.

 

[Oddball]

The message went from, "We’re the real Americans; the others are the problem," to, "We’re the last line of defense; we hate those other people and they’re our enemies." Now it wasn’t just that the rest of us weren't getting with the program: Now we were also saboteurs, secretly or perhaps even openly conspiring with America’s enemies to prevent her return to the long-desired Days of Glory.

Not at all different from the narrative that anyone and everyone who opposes socialist progressives are a bunch of mean spirited, hard hearted, cold, cruel, selfish, racist, misogynistic, homophobic, bigoted, cat kicking Neanderthals, who want to keep women barefoot and pregnant, throw gramma over a cliff, hate education and especially hate the chiiiillllldrrreeeeennnnnn.

But it's a really good thing that those pink bastards don't project much.

 

[JoeB131]

To which, again, I say, who cares. It doesn't involve us. Or it wouldn't if we kept our noses out of it, which is what any sensible person would do and what most of the world is doing.

Our government should keep it's nose out of it. Our government should give no country foreign aid. Americans who support Israel should provide the funds directly. But you can advocate that without being a raging anti-Semite. I pull it off, it can be done. How was your Klan rally this week? Did you manage to find a Mormon or Jew to lynch, Adolph?

Yawn, guy, what have I said that is actually anti-Semitic. Please post it. Thanks.

Otherwise admit you're a lying sack of manure.

 

[JoeB131]

So if someone were to go descecrate a grave of one of your loved ones, that'd be totally fine with you because they're dead and they don't care? I'm really trying to understand your logic here.

What a stupid analogy

Trust me, snookums, I'm not a Christian. I'm an atheist who just got burned by Mormons 30 years ago and now I'm having the time of my life mocking their stupid religion and tearing down their champion

You're an athiest who says Christianity makes sense unless it's Mormonism, and you hate them all because one did something to you 30 years ago. That...is typical of bigot rationalization.

Learn to deal.

You post on a message board, you just may get a reply. Learn to deal.

1- Not a stupid analogy at all. YOu are doing something to someone after they are dead they would have never wanted you to do to them in life. Ann Frank died for her beliefs, it's sort of insulting to remake her into a Mormon when she's dead.

2- 30 years ago, I realized Mormons were actually pretty fucking wrong. This is before I spent a moment actually trying to figure out what it was they actually believed in. (Keep in mind, 30 years ago, I was in the process of ridding myself of Catholic Stupidity) Just realized there was something seriously not right with these people.

That was before I found out about Magic Underpants, Ruling your own planet as a God, eternal marriage, dipping the dead, and other crazy horseshit that is far crazier than anything most mainstream Christians believe.

3- I want to get replies. Unfortunately, I have to deal with retarded, dishonest ones like yours before I get to ones that are actually worth reading and responding to.

 

[midcan5]

Agree or not, this piece is interesting.

"...Conservative Chickens Come Home to Roost by Matt Taibbi

"That's all the early conservative movement was. It was just a heartfelt request that we go back to the good old days of America as these people remembered or imagined it. Of course, the problem was, we couldn't go back, not just because more than half the population (particularly the nonwhite, non-straight, non-male segment of the population) desperately didn't want to go back, but also because that America never existed and was therefore impossible to recreate.

And when we didn’t go back to the good old days, this crowd got frustrated, and suddenly the message stopped being heartfelt and it got an edge to it.

The message went from, "We’re the real Americans; the others are the problem," to, "We’re the last line of defense; we hate those other people and they’re our enemies." Now it wasn’t just that the rest of us weren't getting with the program: Now we were also saboteurs, secretly or perhaps even openly conspiring with America’s enemies to prevent her return to the long-desired Days of Glory." Arizona Debate: Conservative Chickens Come Home to Roost | Matt Taibbi | Rolling Stone
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Of course that has been a consistent theme lately on numerous USMB threads: the concept that if you disagree with a Leftist or profess a conservative point of view, that will be identified (by the left) as hate speech. I watched the Arizona debate and didn't hear anybody demonize those on the left. I did hear conservative values promotied.

And yes, there is a message in the debates and from conservatives across the land that those holding conservative values ARE the last line of defense against a declining America and the final destruction of values that made it the greatest nation on Earth.

I don't feel hateful when I say that, but there are folks on the Left who will then insert a whole lot of non sequiturs, build all manner of straw men, and drag out all the red herrings to show how such a point of view is hateful.

Interesting that you agree but then pretend it (?) is a creation of the left? The trouble with your assumption is if America were founded on conservative principles, what are they? Two hundred years ago, would your defense make sense? I propose it does not. It is merely an ambiguous modern argument without relevancy in history.


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Supported protection for the institution of slavery in the Constitutional convention. This included the bizarre insistence that slaves be counted in determining slave state representation in Congress. Slaves were people according to conservative planters, but only for purposes of counting them. Those same interests also prevented regulation of the importation of slaves prior to 1808."


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