Discussion in 'Conspiracy Theories' started by Mr. Jones, Apr 6, 2011.
Thought I'd throw this in the mix for some discussion.
Hypothetical Blasting Scenario
I read a little bit and then had to stop because I was laughing so hard. Exploding ceiling tiles? What would that do besides make noise?
But the main problem is the spray on therm*. Here is the problem. Therm* cuts through the creation of superheated molten iron. It cuts down. It does not cut across. It takes a BUTTLOAD of thermite to cut through steel of any size, and paint just isn't going to "cut" it.
Nice concept. Professional looking. But totally batshit looney!
I am sure you will ignore these blatant problems with the "theory".
You OCTAss all seem to have a convenient lack of memory , which is astounding since your ass got schooled on this matter recently.
It has been proven that the substance can cut in any direction...this was proven..in a UTUBE video by a guy doing it in his own backyard even.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d5iIoCiI8g&feature=player_embedded]YouTube - 9/11 Experiments: The Great Thermate Debate[/ame]
Mr. Hoffman has presented a well thought out hypothesis using available technology, that is more plausible then the BS NIST and you would have people believe. It also answers almost all of your OCTA arguments, but then you've admitted you haven't even read it all..just goes to show you are just here to vomit propaganda like a good little boot licker.
Man, I have to hand it to you retards. You sure are gullible! First off, you can't put explosive charges INSIDE the box columns of the towers. They are a continuous column from top to bottom. Second, your retarded theory you're now pretending is real said it was thermite PAINT, not thermite charges. Third, most of the steel columns in the towers at the floors hit by the aircraft were two inches thick by 3' by 1'. The rest were LARGER. Your shithead is cutting what.... quarter inch steel and can't quite manage it? And fourth, the shithead in the video can't even tell the difference between the outer lattice and the core columns as he calls the lattice on the outside the columns! You sure pick good videos to prove you're an ignorant fuck, Mr. Jones. Thanks for the laughs!
Just for giggles, can you tell us what the exploding ceiling tiles are suppose to do and why people who actually SURVIVED the collapse IN THE CORE didn't hear the explosions? Come on. You actually believe these retarded theories, so you have answers for all the questions, right?
The man in the video proves you wrong again shithead! In a home made back yard production no less!
Fact is nano thermite was found in the dust, by credible people, the compound can cut in all directions, he proves it albeit on a smaller scale. What do you expect him to have some actual WTC steel??
That's right there is none, as it was conveniently hauled away in trucks with GPSs, proving value of the steel to SOMEONE.
You are such a traitor to the nation by not even showing the slightest bit of concern over what the credible people have found and proposed. Your job is to stick to the party line like the good little commie loving scumbag that you are.
The NIST theory is BS, The 9-11 commission is BS, Nano thermite found, straight down collapse of 7 with NIST admitting 2.25. secs,
of free fall, and not one bit of concern from your traitorous scumbag self?
Wrong yet again. The man proves you can break shit with thermite by making it violently explode by containing it. Whoopdefuckingdo. That isn't a two to six inch thick steel box column now is it.
Wrong yet again. They didn't find "nano thermite". The best they could actually claim is they found some kind of "active thermitic compound". A bunch of degenerate media whores like Steven Jones (remember Cold Fusion?) aren't credible scientists.
Actually there is quite a bit of WTC steel left. But it doesn't have to be WTC steel. Any piece of 2" x 1' x 3' length of box column would have worked.
I'm the traitor? I'm not the dumbfuck who is going around blaming others while trying to let the guys all the evidence points to go free. That puts you square in the traitors AND the terrorists' camp. Welcome to reality, asshole! Produce some evidence your bullshit is real and we can talk. Until then, you're doing nothing but pretending.
Commie?!? That's rich! BTW, what party line is it I am suppose to be sticking to? All I am here for is the truth. You want to convince me your bullshit is golden? Produce some actual fucking evidence! Right now all you have is paranoid delusions and a bunch of known, proven liars jerking each other off pretending they actually know something when they don't know shit.
According to you, a known, proven liar. And your credentials for calling the NIST theory BS is what, exactly? Oh, that's right. You're a professional retard! Wow! You're still going to need more than the claims of a professional retard to convince anyone the NIST theory is BS.
According to you, a known, proven liar. And your credentials for calling the 9/11 commission findings BS is what, exactly? Oh, that's right. You're a professional retard! Wow! You're still going to need more than the claims of a professional retard to convince anyone the 9/11 commission findings are BS.
Wrong yet again, known proven liar. Active thermitic material is not nano thermite.
Gravity pulls down. That is something you professional retards STILL don't get. Unless you have no support on one side of the building and the supports on the other side of the building can take the weight of the entire building IN MOTION, the building is going to come straight down. Even if you get the building to lean a little, it is still going to come straight down when the supports fail and they WILL fail. Unless, of course, you're stupid enough to try and pretend the supports on one side of the WTC 7 could take the entire weight of the building all by themselves irregardless of any damage done. Oh wait. Sorry. Forgot the level of ignorance I was talking to. Go right ahead and pretend the support structures on one side of the building could take the entire weight and the other side was gone.
Why should I be concerned about the lunatic ravings of a paranoid delusional professional retard? Seriously dude. Who would take a prick like you at his word? Certainly nobody sane. You would have to get someone as retarded as you like 911 inside job.
So until you actually come up with some real evidence, I'm just going to sit here and debunk your bullshit theories and make fun of retards like you. It is fun AND educational!
He proves you wrong when you say it can not cut in the directions you've said it couldn't, asswipe!
Read the paper and the studies done on this discovery, it wasn't just Steven Jones either, you fucking liar.
Here read this--
Explosives Found in
World Trade Center Dust
Scientists Discover Both Residues
And Unignited Fragments
Of Nano-Engineered Thermitic Pyrotechnics
In Debris From the Twin Towers
Explosive Residues: Energetic Materials and the World Trade Center Destruction
Where is all this leftover steel then you lying POS? Now you say "any piece of steel" can be used after complaining about was used in the video?? You really are a disingenuous lying POS, your arguments are fucking nothing more then a dog chasing his tail, and full of hypocrisy.
You are a traitor, you side with the criminals who hijacked your own nation fool! Evidence that points to who? OBL? Obtained by torture? You approve of this tactic, that goes against what we stand for in this country? The 9-11 commission wasn't even allowed to question it, that's part of why they now REJECT THEIR OWN REPORT, or haven't you heard?
The truth is not to be found in the NIST report.
You stick to the OCT that belongs to the party of global warmongers.
You aren't here for the truth as the truth according to those you worship has been destroyed by siting all the many ridiculous claims of that day, why did the 9-11 commission reject the report again? That's right they did because they were being mislead and lied to, but you don't care about getting to the truth for the sake of the nation and the people who live here, you are nothing but a lying troll
that side with the criminals and liars..you saying you're here for the truth is a joke, just like you you fucking clown
It is on the NIST and others to convince us that what they say is legit, many have PROVEN there is a lot to doubt about it and proof of that doubt has been presented to your sorry ass, yet you refuse to acknowledge it, displaying your willful ignorance and disdain for the actual truth.
Site where I have lied..I have shown you many instances of where NIST has failed by passing along links that you don't read, and information that answers your stupid party line and outdated arguments. Your lack of interest in the matter is false, and you are only here to help spread disinformation and lies.
Again show me where I lied to you asswipe?
My credentials in calling the 9-11 report BS is being a concerned citizen, and by going by what the actual people in the commission have said, that it is a BS report. You only can come here and try to defend your position by calling me a liar? What about all the people who have openly pointed out the many lies of the OCT, I suppose they ALL lied huh? For what reason asshole?
Ok you're right it states here nano thermite is---
"...potentially misleading because it doesn't capture the complexity and sophistication of this material or its known analogs. Perhaps a better term is energetic nanocomposites, a class of materials that has been used by the military for some time in applications spanning propellants, armor-piercing munitions, and reactive armor. In their diverse roles, energetic nanocomposites fulfill a range of requirements including: "high density, good mechanical properties, low sensitiveness, good stability, low cost, ease of manufacturing, and environmental acceptability."  To achieve these requirements, scientists developing advanced aluminothermic materials have learned to embed the fine powders in a carbon- and silicon-rich matrix. Kevin Ryan explains:
The mixing [of ultra fine grain (UFG) aluminum and UFG metal oxides] is accomplished by adding these reactants to a liquid solution where they form what are called "sols", and then adding a gelling agent that captures these tiny reactive combinations in their intimately mixed state (LLNL 2000). The resulting "sol-gel" is then dried to form a porous reactive material that can be ignited in a number of ways.
Energetic materials such as aluminothermic sol-gels have been an active area of research in the US national labs since the mid-1990s or earlier, including under the auspices of NIST itself --
The Top Ten Connections Between
NIST and Nano-Thermites
The Top Ten Connections Between NIST and Nano-Thermites
Still want to deny its existence you coincitard BS spewing traitor?
You are a weak disinfo troll dude, you have nothing but outdated BS arguments that have been disregarded long ago.
Hey then why didn't the rigid part of 7 resist coming down? Why no partial collapse towards the side that was "thermally expanded"? Do you not see the exposed lie of your argument? A Gravity collapse will slow down when it is met with resistance, why the 2.25 secs. of free fall then? After NIST said in its report that in order for this to happen there would have to be no resistance UNDERNEATH? How do you make all the resistance disappear?
Not at the same time you imbecile!! Not all the steel was heated up to the same exact temps in an office fire to cause this you moron! One would indeed expect it to lean towards the weakest side and collapse the same way, in a stagger....not so symmetrically producing free fall you ignorant twat!
NIST and you have not proven AT ALL 7 SHOULD HAVE COLLAPSED LIKE IT DID. It is your level of ignorance about even that which you speak of that is astounding!!
You don't even take into account that NIST had to change its theory to that of one that DID produce free fall. You OCTasses are in a class of denial all to yourselves.
The high lighted part of your response shows you are brain dead--the other side of 7 was not gone, the entire structure stood until at the moment of collapse it fell straight down-we did not see any part that was gone it stood until it fell at free fall speed
all this talk about the building parts on one side being gone are a fantasy you are making up you liar, and I suppose you will lie and not agree that buildings aren't built to withstand double or triple their load capacity? Or that in order for it to fall straight down in free fall all the supports have to vanish in order to produce such symmetry?
You live in an alternate reality.
If you call yourself a "patriot 9-11" you would think that you would have some semblance of concern with all the new information credible people from all walks of life have produced. You are a sad joke you treasonous POS, and an ignorant one to boot.
You act as though all this information comes from me, and we all know it does not, it has been presented to you from experts...so then are all these experts liars?
But you don't debunk anything that is what is so laughable about you, you simply use tired old tactics and pretend in your distorted little mind that you actually make any sense or have any knowledge on this topic! All you do respond with is by making insults and jokes, even though it is you who looks like the fool and the retard!
Every single thread you participate in on this topic you get hammered, and then you resort to lies and ignorance, and this you call debunking?? You are right that you should find this educational as you sorely need to educate yourself on the matter.
"Never mind that NIST explains WTC7's destruction as the first-ever fire-induced collapse of a steel-frame high-rise building with the refreshingly novel failure mechanism -- supported by no physical evidence whatsoever -- that thermally induced expansion of a huge beam caused it to break loose of its connections and crash down, taking the rest of the skyscraper with it."
"The chief apologists for the official story seem to want it both ways. On the one hand, they stigmatize anyone who questions the official version of events as a "conspiracy theorist". On the other, they fault the same intellectual dissidents for not articulating a detailed theory of the crime, as Ryan Mackey does here.
Collapse Versus Demolition: Burden of Proof
Critique of Ryan Mackey
"How interesting that the conspiracy theorist label remains the first line of defense against the consideration of alternative hypotheses, while the main arguments against controlled demolition of the Twin Towers appeal to alleged difficulties in implementation -- arguments that can only be answered through postulating hypothetical scenarios."
Hypothetical Blasting Scenario
So NIST has no proof but you want proof from everybody else? That's your hypocrisy at work again.
plenty of new evidence you fuck wad! You just deny it cause it proves you are wrong and mentally disturbed in your flawed detached way of thinking and have to rely on an alter reality.
Substantial proof that there is reason to doubt the OCT has been submitted to you and others, and a good hypothesis of how it could have been done presented also.
What do you have, but a worn out highly unlikely version that you parrot like it's gospel coming from proven liars
It didn't cut. It broke a weld. Learn the difference, asswipe!
I have. And I've never said it was just Steven Jones. Who's the fucking liar? Look in a mirror you dishonest piece of shit!
And I've read the paper. Look at the title for yourself. It says exactly what I've been saying. It isn't nano-thermite. It is a thermitic material. That's it. They can't even define what material it is.
Wrong yet again. I said the SIZE of steel being used wasn't the same. Said it over and over again. Even gave you the dimensions. And you sit there and lie that I said it had to be the same KIND of steel? Wow! Once more I present anyone reading this with the fact Mr. Jones is a known, proven liar.
As for steel still existing from the towers.... Here you go
So who is the liar? The one telling the truth and proving he is telling the truth? Or the one calling him a liar? Fucking lying piece of shit!
Yet the only "evidence" I have that you are telling the truth is your "good word". No thank you! You are a known proven liar and your claims are not backed up by ANYTHING. One would have to be an idiot of epic proportions to believe you over everything else.
Wow. All this time and you don't know who was behind 9/11? Amazing! More proof you are a moron and yet another reason you are not to be believed. Al Qaeda was behind the attacks. And if you're stupid enough to believe the only evidence we have was "obtained under torture", you're even dumber than I thought. Hard to believe, isn't it!
Well, let's see. You claim the NIST is lying. You also claim I am lying. I know for a fact I am not lying. Why wouldn't I also disbelieve you about the NIST? You have yet to produce evidence they are lying. You have guesses and what you call facts that are really your retarded opinion. That's not evidence.
More bullshit from the king of bullshit. You still want to stick to the lie the authors of the 9/11 commission report have rejected it AFTER the fact? Wow. OK, link it. There is no doubt the didn't receive the truth from some agencies during the investigation. The evidence proved the lies and they got the truth. This is all verifiable information. Your bullshit is a lie. The constant demands for you to back up your claims that go unanswered proves that not only can you not produce the evidence, but that you KNOW you can't produce it. Thus you are knowingly and willfully lying your pathetic ass off about it.
God himself couldn't convince a retarded fool like you that the sky is blue on a clear day if you think it is green. That is the problem. Fuckups like you pretending you're smart when you're ignorant.
Ah, but DOUBT isn't the same as the NIST being WRONG. There will always be doubt the NIST got it 100% right because there is no way for them to know with absolute certainty what happened. But we know from the evidence it wasn't controlled demolition. Your retarded opinion is not evidence. It's a joke. I laugh at it often.
Pretending truthtard sites are credible is your first mistake. And you've lied numerous times in your last post as I've pointed out.
So which is it? I lack interest in which case I wouldn't be here, or I am here to spread disinformation which you can't rebut and lies you can't seem to refute? News flash, genius. You just claiming I lie doesn't mean I am a liar. It means you're a dumbfuck who can't tell the difference.
Another lie. If they thought it was a BS report when they were done with it, they wouldn't have signed their names to it. Still waiting for you to show the authors claiming it was wrong after the report came out.
And again, you lie your ass off when you pretend that if the authors have anything bad to say, that the entire report has to be wrong and that your bullshit theories, if you could ever decide on just one, are right. It doesn't work like that. Everyone, including you, knows this, yet you lie about it.
Yet another easily proven lie. I respond to each of your points with far more than just calling you a liar. You know it. I know it. Anyone who has read one of my responses knows it. When are you going to stop proving yourself a liar so much? This is getting embarassing for you!
For the same reasons you're here lying your ass off trying to pass OPINIONS off as FACT. Paranoid delusions. Begging for attention. Pathetic little trolls hoping someone finally notices them. Pick a reason.
And why is it anyone who pretends the OCT is wrong is automatically right while the vast majority who agree with the OCT are wrong?
Yet they still can't actually IDENTIFY the substance. They're guessing.
You do realize things like "aluminothermitic materials" just means aluminum dust and rust, right?
As for Kevin Ryan, the supposed expert, it turns out he is none other than the Kevin Ryan who was a lab manager for a UL health laboratoy. So a truthtard is the expert. Small world, isn't it!
Deny the existance of aluminum powder and rust in the samples? Nope. I fully expect there to be those materials in the dust. They're not exactly rare. The "scientists" had to refine the shit out of the dust to get anything that would react, and when it did react, it reacted at the wrong temperature. Thus their claim it was a "thermitic material" which is correct. It ignited. Wheeee! Still isn't nano-thermite or a high explosive. Thermitic material simply means it gets hot. High explosives work through pressure, not heat. Keep wiggling, little worm!
Really? Then why are you having such a hard time now? Make up all the excuses you want. The readers will decide. ;-)
Because the support columns failed. It wasn't 2.25 seconds of immediate freefall. There was significant resistance, then little resistance and then resistance again. Those are the facts, and they're not that hard to understand. Which means you are either dumber than dirt or you are purposefully ignoring the truth to push your anti-American agenda.
And there goes the dipshit re-stating the same tired bullshit. I didn't say anything at all about heat, did I. Nope. This is irregardless of heat. The FACT remains that in order for a building to topple over, one side has to completely give way and the other side has to completely resist the entire weight of the building (which it will NEVER be designed to do). WTC 7 didn't have this issue to begin with. One side was damaged, but not so much as to make the building collapse. Thus, one can correctly deduce that the south face of the building was structurally able to hold up until destroyed in the collapse.
To who? An ignorant little fuck like you who doesn't know SHIT? You're right. Nobody can prove anything to a sick shit who won't listen to anything he doesn't want to hear. Doesn't change the truth, does it. Nope. Not at all.
Wrong yet again. I have the evidence on my side. What do you have? A whole shitload of ignorance and opinion, but no evidence. Sucks to be you!
So, what you're trying to say is that the NIST should have come up with a theory and stuck by it no matter what and no matter what evidence came to light. Well, that makes sense since that is the truthtard way. Unfortunately for your little conspiracy theory, the NIST is a true scientific body. When the evidence changes, the theory changes to fit the evidence. That is the way it is suppose to work, as opposed to the truthtard method of dreaming up a theory and then making bullshit up to justify the theory while ignoring EVERYTHING that would refute the theory.
Which, as I've correctly stated before, has ZERO EVIDENDCE to back it up. In other words, you have the OPINIONS of a bunch of assholes like you who want to try and convict a bunch of innocent people based on the collective paranoid delusions of a bunch of seriously fucked up psychopaths! You fucks can't even decide who is to blame or what really happened! Yet we're all just suppose to suspend common sense, logic, the evidence, and science in order to believe you deranged loons. Hmmm. Nope. Ain't gonna happen. I'm not traitorous enough I guess.
If I am ignorant, why am I always having to explain shit to you that you can't seem to understand?
And there the ignorant fuck goes with the lies again. No physical evidence whatsoever? Wrong yet again loony toons! No physical evidence? Really? So all the video tape doesn't count as physical evidence? They had the video tapes to show them what it could of what happened. Then they had to rule out causes and come up with theories for how it could have collapsed. One such cause that was ruled out was controlled demolition. NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER exists that would exist in a controlled demolition. None of the sounds. None of the hard evidence. None of the residue. None of the seismic activity. NOTHING. So it was ruled out. Nobody to date has been able to produce one lick of evidence that it could have been a controlled demolition. Some retards over in Europe getting some refined dust to ignite for a second doesn't constitute anything other than bad science.
The difference is that our theory fits the evidence while all the truthtard crackpot theories do NOT fit the evidence. And do you really expect people to believe truthtard conspiracrap sites? Come on. Give us SOME credit! We're not nearly as stupid or as gullible as you are.
That isn't my first line of "defense" as you put it. More lies from you. My first line of defense is, was and always will be the complete lack of real, hard evidence to prove your points. Paranoid delusions are NOT evidence.
Wrong yet again, chucklehead! The NIST's theory fits all available evidence. Your bullshit theories do not. This is such an easy equation. Why can you not understand it? Oh yeah. Truthtard.
Wrong yet again, chuckles! Show us one real piece of hard evidence. Go ahead. Mind you, opinion is not evidence. Give us something that would hold up in a court of law. Go ahead! Truthtards LOVE to claim they just have LOADS of evidence, but when asked to produce said evidence, they run like the cockroaches they are when someone turns on the light.
Yeah, exploding ceiling tiles and thermite paint. Science fiction is not fact nor proof, chuckles! It's bullshit!
The working theory still fits all available evidence. That is why it hasn't changed, unlike truthtard theories that change more often than the wind changes direction in a tornado. And, just like a tornado that spins in circles, so do the truthtard theories. As soon as one gets debunked to the point it looks like raw hamburger on the freeway, truthtards drop it and pick up another theory that has been through the ringer. But don't worry, the truthtard theory that took such a beating will be back in a little while. They always do, and usually by the same truthtards who apparently think everyone has a really short memory.
I found the fact the moron couldn't even spell THERMITE (he uses THERMATE) in the title of his little movie to be quite telling.
Better a boot licker than an ass licker like you assholes.
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