A hundred people probably today will lose their lives as a result of a gunshot

30,000 Americans die each year by firearms

Well maybe we can offer them our thoughts and prayers
 
If guns are actually the fault of these attacks, then these attacks should have been common place for the last three hundred years.
This is a mind set perpetrated to usher in martial law and gun removal. Prey on people's mental imbalances and then use the crisis to disarm our citizens.
If disarming worked, then there would be no gun violence where guns have been confiscated. It will not cure this problem. It will make this problem worse. Ask Chicago. Ask London.
I will never give up the ability to protect myself against an unstable mind..
 
And the vast majority of the perpetrators of gun crimes all over this country — a hundred people probably today will lose their lives as a result of a gunshot — those people, typically, do not have mental illness, with the exception of those who have suicide.



How do you protect soft targets like a concert?



You're asking how to get criminals to obey the laws regarding murder. Good luck. No law or gun control will stop them.

Meanwhile, over 500 people have been murdered in Chicago since the beginning of the year. Mostly black on black crime.

Taking away rights from the law abiding won't do a thing.
 
And the vast majority of the perpetrators of gun crimes all over this country — a hundred people probably today will lose their lives as a result of a gunshot — those people, typically, do not have mental illness, with the exception of those who have suicide.

Just one hundred?

Oh, I see!

You left out Obama/Holder's CHICAGO!
 
There are 30,000 gun related deaths per year by firearms, and this number is not disputed.

The U.S. population is 324,059,091 as of June 22, 2016. Do the math: 0.000000925% of the population dies from gun related actions each year.

What is never told, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths, to put them in perspective as compared to other causes of death:

• 65% of those deaths are by suicide, which would never be prevented by gun laws. 13,500 left
• 15% are by law enforcement in the line of duty and justified. 9k
• 3% are accidental discharge deaths. Down to 8100
• 17% are through criminal activity, gang and drug related or mentally ill persons – better known as gun violence. 63% are committed by gang violence (5100). You know those black and Latino (mostly illegals) gang violence.

So technically, "gun violence" is not 30,000 annually, but drops to 8,100. Still too many?

Now lets look at how those deaths spanned across the nation.
• 480 homicides (9.4%) were in Chicago
• 344 homicides (6.7%) were in Baltimore
• 333 homicides (6.5%) were in Detroit
• 119 homicides (2.3%) were in Washington D.C. (a 54% increase over prior years)

So basically, 25% of all gun crime happens in just 4 cities. All 4 of those cities have strict gun laws, so it is not the lack of law that is the root cause.

This basically leaves 3,825 for the entire rest of the nation, or about 75 deaths per state. That is an average because some States have much higher rates than others. For example, California had 1,169 and Alabama had 1.
Now, who has the strictest gun laws by far? California, of course, but understand, it is not guns causing this. It is a crime rate spawned by the number of criminal persons residing in those cities and states. So if all cities and states are not created equal, then there must be something other than the tool causing the gun deaths.

Are 8,100 deaths per year horrific? How about in comparison to other deaths? All death is sad and especially so when it is in the commission of a crime but that is the nature of crime. Robbery, death, rape, assault are all done by criminals. It is ludicrous to think that criminals will obey laws. That is why they are called criminals.

But what about other deaths each year?
• 40,000+ die from a drug overdose–THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THAT!
• 36,000 people die per year from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths.
• 34,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities(exceeding gun deaths even if you include suicide).

So you have to ask yourself, in the grand scheme of things, why tIt's pretty simple:

Taking away guns gives control to governments. The founders of this nation knew that regardless of the form of government, those in power may become corrupt and seek to rule as the British did by trying to disarm the populace of the colonies. It is not difficult to understand that a disarmed populace is a controlled populace.

Thus, the second amendment was proudly and boldly included in the U.S. Constitution. It must be preserved at all costs. So the next time someone tries to tell you that gun control is about saving lives, look at these facts and remember these words from Noah Webster: "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed."

Gun violence in the United States - Wikipedia


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Are you really so retarded that you believe your little personal arsenal will protect you from the power of the police and military should the government ever decide to come after you?

Two words: Ruby Ridge

One word: Waco

Idiot.
 
But what about other deaths each year?
• 40,000+ die from a drug overdose–THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THAT!
• 36,000 people die per year from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths.
• 34,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities(exceeding gun deaths even if you include suicide).


Our society does things to fight drug abuse.....just look at the number of people we have in prison
We take strong measures to fight influenza with flu shots and public safety measures
We have made great strides to make cars and roads safer and reduce drunk driving

Yet, we refuse to do anything about guns
we don't refuse.

we disagree on what to do.

so - what would you like to do that would directly address the situation and stop the people from doing what they do with guns while not taking rights away from people who'd never hurt anyone.
 
You have no direct correlation

Homicides have gone down since 1990 regardless of strict gun laws or lax gun laws
It is due to the end of the crack wars in the 1990s and has nothing to do with the number of guns on the street
Yet YOU insist more firearms means more deaths so it IS relevant.
 
And the vast majority of the perpetrators of gun crimes all over this country — a hundred people probably today will lose their lives as a result of a gunshot — those people, typically, do not have mental illness, with the exception of those who have suicide.



How do you protect soft targets like a concert?

No an issue. Its Acceptable Risk to live in America and call yourself American

-Geaux

So you're saying that to be American means that you do not have the basic inalienable right to life?

I guess you know what it means to be American better than that libturd Thomas Jefferson!
 
There are 30,000 gun related deaths per year by firearms, and this number is not disputed.

The U.S. population is 324,059,091 as of June 22, 2016. Do the math: 0.000000925% of the population dies from gun related actions each year.

What is never told, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths, to put them in perspective as compared to other causes of death:

• 65% of those deaths are by suicide, which would never be prevented by gun laws. 13,500 left
• 15% are by law enforcement in the line of duty and justified. 9k
• 3% are accidental discharge deaths. Down to 8100
• 17% are through criminal activity, gang and drug related or mentally ill persons – better known as gun violence. 63% are committed by gang violence (5100). You know those black and Latino (mostly illegals) gang violence.

So technically, "gun violence" is not 30,000 annually, but drops to 8,100. Still too many?

Now lets look at how those deaths spanned across the nation.
• 480 homicides (9.4%) were in Chicago
• 344 homicides (6.7%) were in Baltimore
• 333 homicides (6.5%) were in Detroit
• 119 homicides (2.3%) were in Washington D.C. (a 54% increase over prior years)

So basically, 25% of all gun crime happens in just 4 cities. All 4 of those cities have strict gun laws, so it is not the lack of law that is the root cause.

This basically leaves 3,825 for the entire rest of the nation, or about 75 deaths per state. That is an average because some States have much higher rates than others. For example, California had 1,169 and Alabama had 1.
Now, who has the strictest gun laws by far? California, of course, but understand, it is not guns causing this. It is a crime rate spawned by the number of criminal persons residing in those cities and states. So if all cities and states are not created equal, then there must be something other than the tool causing the gun deaths.

Are 8,100 deaths per year horrific? How about in comparison to other deaths? All death is sad and especially so when it is in the commission of a crime but that is the nature of crime. Robbery, death, rape, assault are all done by criminals. It is ludicrous to think that criminals will obey laws. That is why they are called criminals.

But what about other deaths each year?
• 40,000+ die from a drug overdose–THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THAT!
• 36,000 people die per year from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths.
• 34,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities(exceeding gun deaths even if you include suicide).

So you have to ask yourself, in the grand scheme of things, why tIt's pretty simple:

Taking away guns gives control to governments. The founders of this nation knew that regardless of the form of government, those in power may become corrupt and seek to rule as the British did by trying to disarm the populace of the colonies. It is not difficult to understand that a disarmed populace is a controlled populace.

Thus, the second amendment was proudly and boldly included in the U.S. Constitution. It must be preserved at all costs. So the next time someone tries to tell you that gun control is about saving lives, look at these facts and remember these words from Noah Webster: "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed."

Gun violence in the United States - Wikipedia


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Congratulations on your collectivist way of thought.

But we Americans are individualists - so your statistics are meaningless.
 
Chicago has among the strictest gun control laws in the nation.

526 people have been murdered with guns in Chicago so far this year.

Murder is already illegal. More gun control doesn't change that.
 
Do the math: 0.000000925% of the population dies from gun related actions each year.
Do the math. Aristotle! ffs.

I get 0.009%.

Call it 0.01%

What planet does your arithmetic come from?
If you did it right, you'll get 9.25e-05. That is 0.0000925. Round it and you get 0.0001%
Yeah? What do you get from

30,000 / 324,000,000 x 100

on your planet?
 
Chicago has among the strictest gun control laws in the nation.

526 people have been murdered with guns in Chicago so far this year.

Murder is already illegal. More gun control doesn't change that.
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