A hidden world, growing beyond control

[Modbert]

17 slides of a very informative article. A MUST READ

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/...ticles/a-hidden-world-growing-beyond-control/

These are only SOME of the findings, there are too many to post into one single post. Be sure to click the link and read for yourself

These are some of the findings of a two-year investigation by The Washington Post that discovered what amounts to an alternative geography of the United States, a Top Secret America hidden from public view and lacking in thorough oversight. After nine years of unprecedented spending and growth, the result is that the system put in place to keep the United States safe is so massive that its effectiveness is impossible to determine.

The investigation's other findings include:

* Some 1,271 government organizations and 1,931 private companies work on programs related to counterterrorism, homeland security and intelligence in about 10,000 locations across the United States.

An estimated 854,000 people, nearly 1.5 times as many people as live in Washington, D.C., hold top-secret security clearances.

Analysts who make sense of documents and conversations obtained by foreign and domestic spying share their judgment by publishing 50,000 intelligence reports each year - a volume so large that many are routinely ignored.

In the Department of Defense, where more than two-thirds of the intelligence programs reside, only a handful of senior officials - called Super Users - have the ability to even know about all the department's activities. But as two of the Super Users indicated in interviews, there is simply no way they can keep up with the nation's most sensitive work.

"I'm not going to live long enough to be briefed on everything" was how one Super User put it. The other recounted that for his initial briefing, he was escorted into a tiny, dark room, seated at a small table and told he couldn't take notes. Program after program began flashing on a screen, he said, until he yelled ''Stop!" in frustration.

The Post's online database of government organizations and private companies was built entirely on public records. The investigation focused on top-secret work because the amount classified at the secret level is too large to accurately track.

Blair also expressed confidence that subordinates told him what he needed to know. "I have visibility on all the important intelligence programs across the community, and there are processes in place to ensure the different intelligence capabilities are working together where they need to," he said.

Weeks later, as he sat in the corner of a ballroom at the Willard Hotel waiting to give a speech, he mused about The Post's findings. "After 9/11, when we decided to attack violent extremism, we did as we so often do in this country," he said. "The attitude was, if it's worth doing, it's probably worth overdoing."

Much of the information about this mission is classified. That is the reason it is so difficult to gauge the success and identify the problems of Top Secret America, including whether money is being spent wisely. The U.S. intelligence budget is vast, publicly announced last year as $75 billion, 21/2 times the size it was on Sept. 10, 2001. But the figure doesn't include many military activities or domestic counterterrorism programs.

When hired, a typical analyst knows very little about the priority countries - Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan - and is not fluent in their languages. Still, the number of intelligence reports they produce on these key countries is overwhelming, say current and former intelligence officials who try to cull them every day. The ODNI doesn't know exactly how many reports are issued each year, but in the process of trying to find out, the chief of analysis discovered 60 classified analytic Web sites still in operation that were supposed to have been closed down for lack of usefulness. "Like a zombie, it keeps on living" is how one official describes the sites.

A scary and yet fascinating read at the same time.

 

[Ringel05]

17 slides of some of the most informative information I've read in a article in a long time. A MUST READ

A hidden world, growing beyond control | washingtonpost.com

These are only SOME of the findings, there are too many to post into one single post. Be sure to click the link and read for yourself

These are some of the findings of a two-year investigation by The Washington Post that discovered what amounts to an alternative geography of the United States, a Top Secret America hidden from public view and lacking in thorough oversight. After nine years of unprecedented spending and growth, the result is that the system put in place to keep the United States safe is so massive that its effectiveness is impossible to determine.

The investigation's other findings include:

* Some 1,271 government organizations and 1,931 private companies work on programs related to counterterrorism, homeland security and intelligence in about 10,000 locations across the United States.

Much of the information about this mission is classified. That is the reason it is so difficult to gauge the success and identify the problems of Top Secret America, including whether money is being spent wisely. The U.S. intelligence budget is vast, publicly announced last year as $75 billion, 21/2 times the size it was on Sept. 10, 2001. But the figure doesn't include many military activities or domestic counterterrorism programs.

When hired, a typical analyst knows very little about the priority countries - Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan - and is not fluent in their languages. Still, the number of intelligence reports they produce on these key countries is overwhelming, say current and former intelligence officials who try to cull them every day. The ODNI doesn't know exactly how many reports are issued each year, but in the process of trying to find out, the chief of analysis discovered 60 classified analytic Web sites still in operation that were supposed to have been closed down for lack of usefulness. "Like a zombie, it keeps on living" is how one official describes the sites.

A scary and yet fascinating read at the same time.

Most of what you just posted is extremely generalized like the number of TS holders. Not what level of TS, not what their specific TS encompasses, etc...

Have to edit. I read the whole thing and I have to laugh! Talk about doing whatever it takes to sell papers. LOL!! There is so much generalized bull shit, innuendo and supposition in this article to qualify it for the conspiracy theory forum. I get the ComPost (that's it's name here in the DC area) and to be honest their investigative abilities have to be taken with a BLOCK of salt. LOL!!!!!!!
Just remember, this type of shit sells!

 

[ReAmericaNow]

Makes me think about the warning Eisenhower gave in 1961 on the Military Industrial Complex

 

[Madeline]

This is Big Government gone beserk.

 

[editec]

The government quite naturally senses unrest in the general population.

Naturally it's going to create allies within the population.

If there's 1.5 million folks in uniofrm, and another cpouple million on the government payrolls in the private sector, too, they figure they have enough minions to deal with any public unrest before it gets out of hand.

THIS is the government most of you here who CLAIM to love freedom really want.

 

[bodecea]

The government quite naturally senses unrest in the general population.

Naturally it's going to create allies within the population.

If there's 1.5 million folks in uniofrm, and another cpouple million on the government payrolls in the private sector, too, they figure they have enough minions to deal with any public unrest before it gets out of hand.

THIS is the government most of you here who CLAIM to love freedom really want.

An interesting parallel. At the 1800s wound down, the Union/Socialist movement in the U.S. was becoming so powerful that the government built forts all over the U.S...particularly in factory towns and stocked them with weapons against the possible revolution coming. For those of you in older towns...those forts are mostly still standing and are usually being used as Nat'l Guard arsenals now. But they were originally built to protect the government FROM the People.

 

[ConHog]

I've been telling people for years, you would be shocked if you knew how many people in your local community were undercover federal agents.

 

[Douger]

Gee. I woulda never have guessed.

Slave camp murka.
The Nation formerly known as the United, by force,States of the Empire.

 

[Avatar4321]

The government quite naturally senses unrest in the general population.

Naturally it's going to create allies within the population.

If there's 1.5 million folks in uniofrm, and another cpouple million on the government payrolls in the private sector, too, they figure they have enough minions to deal with any public unrest before it gets out of hand.

THIS is the government most of you here who CLAIM to love freedom really want.

Scary isn't it? This is exactly why we need to seriously cut Federal power and spending. Restore the Constitution.

 

[Samson]

17 slides of some of the most informative information I've read in a article in a long time. A MUST READ.

Most of what you just posted is extremely generalized like the number of TS holders. Not what level of TS, not what their specific TS encompasses, etc...

Have to edit. I read the whole thing and I have to laugh! Talk about doing whatever it takes to sell papers. LOL!! There is so much generalized bull shit, innuendo and supposition in this article to qualify it for the conspiracy theory forum. I get the ComPost (that's it's name here in the DC area) and to be honest their investigative abilities have to be taken with a BLOCK of salt. LOL!!!!!!!
Just remember, this type of shit sells!

Ringel, you ignorant slut.

Its the most "informative information" Modbert has "read in an article in a long time."

And you gotta shit all over it....Jeeze, the boy is READING, just leave him alone, for christssakes.

 

[Jeremy]

Enemy of the State;
Carla Dean: Well, who's gonna monitor the monitors of the monitors?

,


Robert Clayton Dean: What the hell is happening?
Brill: I blew up the building.
Robert Clayton Dean: Why?
Brill: Because you made a phone call.

Best part of the movie.

 

[Douger]

The government quite naturally senses unrest in the general population.

Naturally it's going to create allies within the population.

If there's 1.5 million folks in uniofrm, and another cpouple million on the government payrolls in the private sector, too, they figure they have enough minions to deal with any public unrest before it gets out of hand.

THIS is the government most of you here who CLAIM to love freedom really want.

Scary isn't it? This is exactly why we need to seriously cut Federal power and spending. Restore the Constitution.

First you have to kill off or jail the elites your government actually works for.
Once that happens you'll have the correct type of govt. that fears and works FOR the people.
You'll understand that, soon enough.

This current system of slimeballs could have never existed shortly after WW2. There would have been elites and politicians swinging from the light poles.

Unlike today, the cops AND soldiers would have been on the front lines.
These brainwashed assholes today will fight to the death. FOR THEM !

 

[saveliberty]

Enemy of the State;
Carla Dean: Well, who's gonna monitor the monitors of the monitors?

Best part of the movie.

I disagree, that line was followed by Carla's next line, "You have lots of 'monitoring' to catch up on."

 

[ConHog]

Enemy of the State;
Carla Dean: Well, who's gonna monitor the monitors of the monitors?

Best part of the movie.

I disagree, that line was followed by Carla's next line, "You have lots of 'monitoring' to catch up on."

Followed by Dylan's "Are you guys talking about sex?"

 

[Yurt]

this isn't conspiracy

are you guys saying this is real

 

[Ringel05]

17 slides of some of the most informative information I've read in a article in a long time. A MUST READ.

Most of what you just posted is extremely generalized like the number of TS holders. Not what level of TS, not what their specific TS encompasses, etc...

Have to edit. I read the whole thing and I have to laugh! Talk about doing whatever it takes to sell papers. LOL!! There is so much generalized bull shit, innuendo and supposition in this article to qualify it for the conspiracy theory forum. I get the ComPost (that's it's name here in the DC area) and to be honest their investigative abilities have to be taken with a BLOCK of salt. LOL!!!!!!!
Just remember, this type of shit sells!

Ringel, you ignorant slut.

Its the most "informative information" Modbert has "read in an article in a long time."

And you gotta shit all over it....Jeeze, the boy is READING, just leave him alone, for christssakes.

Ignorant!??!! I'll have you know I'm a highly edumacated slut!

 

[Samson]

Most of what you just posted is extremely generalized like the number of TS holders. Not what level of TS, not what their specific TS encompasses, etc...

Have to edit. I read the whole thing and I have to laugh! Talk about doing whatever it takes to sell papers. LOL!! There is so much generalized bull shit, innuendo and supposition in this article to qualify it for the conspiracy theory forum. I get the ComPost (that's it's name here in the DC area) and to be honest their investigative abilities have to be taken with a BLOCK of salt. LOL!!!!!!!
Just remember, this type of shit sells!

Ringel, you ignorant slut.

Its the most "informative information" Modbert has "read in an article in a long time."

And you gotta shit all over it....Jeeze, the boy is READING, just leave him alone, for christssakes.

Ignorant!??!! I'll have you know I'm a highly edumacated slut!

Must be all that informative information.