A guide for paedophiles - a challenge to the 1st amendment?

[Shigawire]

Man who wrote 'how-to' for pedophiles arrested
By the CNN Wire Staff
December 21, 2010 -- Updated 1015 GMT (1815 HKT)

I wasn't allowed to post a url here yet, so can you please google it, and read the article?

What do you people think? My personal take is that this kind of explicit guide targets and infringes upon the civil liberties of the weakest of our society - the children. And should therefore be made exempt from the 1st Amendment.

Is there any way for this to happen? Does it require a modification to the constitution?
I know a lot of 1st Amendment fundamentalists claim there can be no exceptions.

I thought the "obscenity" charge was too weak. In a way, his guide is a literal confession to having performed all of the things and methods he explains. He even explains how to train the children to lie to their parents. If they can't get him on the actual publishing of the book, maybe they can get him for the confession implicated in this guide?

 

[Jos]

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[Intense]

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I would not think so, in part because it would appear to be a direct threat to innocents. Could I print a Manual on how to defraud the IRS? How to Crash a Banking Network? How to crash the FAA, Air Traffic Network?

Are we a Nation of Laws? Do we apply reason, or do we let skeptics like the ACLU forever lead the gullible around by the nose, and bend us to their agenda's which appear far from neutral. We we have spines? Are we Vertebrae or In-vertebrae? I say it's okay to pee standing up. Damn it!

 

[Jos]

I don't think anyone should be charged with a crime simply for posting a guidebook or an opinion in book form anymore than someone who posts The Anarchist Cookbook http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Anarchist_CookbookThe Anarchist Cookbook
could be accused of terrorism, but he should be investigated

 

[Skull Pilot]

The idiot has the right to write and distribute his drivel. Amazon or any other retailer does not have to sell it for him.

 

[Intense]

The idiot has the right to write and distribute his drivel. Amazon or any other retailer does not have to sell it for him.

If he ends up dead, put me on the jury.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Naturally the ACLU will be all over this, as they are for anything related to paedophilia.

 

[Intense]

Posting Porn has it's own consequences and limited Rights. There are things that one cannot do, and there are limits to what society tolerates. The Oligarchy is in for a rude awakening. Without Right on your side, once you surface, the shit is going to hit the fan. Maybe that is why information control is so important to the Statist plan for world domination.

 

[Father Time]

The obscenity charge is very weak charge to throw at him and it seems to be stretching the limits of what constitutes obscenity (which is not good because that law is vague enough as it is).

Using the guide may infringe liberties, but the guide itself? I don't buy that. Owning and reading the guide does ... absolutely nothing.

Although I predict they will lose a court case. I thought how-to books on how to do illegal things have been declared protected speech before.

 

[Father Time]

Naturally the ACLU will be all over this, as they are for anything related to paedophilia.

Let me know when they try to challenge the law saying you can't have sex with kids. Until then do knock off those crazy claims (yes I know they've defended the free speech rights of pedos but free speech applies to everyone).

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Naturally the ACLU will be all over this, as they are for anything related to paedophilia.

Let me know when they try to challenge the law saying you can't have sex with kids. Until then do knock off those crazy claims (yes I know they've defended the free speech rights of pedos but free speech applies to everyone).

It may, however I am speaking to ACLU's picky choices as to who they "defend" and who they don't.

 

[Father Time]

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I would not think so, in part because it would appear to be a direct threat to innocents. Could I print a Manual on how to defraud the IRS? How to Crash a Banking Network? How to crash the FAA, Air Traffic Network?

I think so, since this guy gets to publish his stuff.

Ragnar Benson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Shigawire]

I don't think anyone should be charged with a crime simply for posting a guidebook or an opinion in book form anymore than someone who posts The Anarchist Cookbook could be accused of terrorism, but he should be investigated

I'm not an expert in law. In fact, I'm not even from the United States (rather Norway). But like so many other countries in the world, Norway's constitution of Eidsvåg in 1814 was directly influenced by the US Constitution. Any precedents and antecedents set by the US judges in matters of Freedom of Speech (the 1st Amendment), will have effects on Norway's judges take on "Ytringsfrihet."

The Anarchist Cookbook provides guides as to how to create a bomb, a weapon, etc. It's all very vague, because it doesn't specify a target group to do the violence against. A terrorist decree/order to commit violence to innocents is usually specified (US citizens or such), and would easily fall under "hate speech" or "incitement to violence." This pedo-guide is at least incitement, and it even specifies a clearly defined target group -> "Children." Promoting and guiding violence toward children should in my opinion not be protected by the 1st Amendment.
Whether it takes a change of the law or not is irrelevant. We should be able to take a stand on this, without getting blinded by the 1st-amendment fundamentalism which sometimes blinds us to meaningful debate.

By the way, "Ytringsfrihet" - or the 1st Amendment - is tantamount to "holy" for me. If some revisionist wants to write about how the nazis didn't kill jews, I think as Voltaire: that's his right to think so. That the holocaust was a sham, is an OPINION, although an ignorant opinion. A guide on how to most efficiently rape children is NOT an opinion. It is promulgation of wanton rape and criminal conduct. Che Guevara's "La Guerra de Guerrillas" is not an incitement to violence, it is a very general guide to guerilla warfare with no particular target group in mind. Guerilla warfare can in some cases be defensible - such as in territory occupied by nazis (partisans or resistance). Paedophilia can in NO cases be defensible! Can't anybody see this clearly?

 

[martybegan]

Anything involving simply the written word, or even sketches/drawings is protected by the first amendment. The simplest way to bolster a defense would be to claim that the work is fiction. At that point I dont see any jury convicting unless you end up with a case of jury nullification in reverse.

The line would be crossed if the bastard tried to publish actual pictures in the book. At that point you would have a harmed party, and 1st amendment protections would not apply.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

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I would not think so, in part because it would appear to be a direct threat to innocents. Could I print a Manual on how to defraud the IRS? How to Crash a Banking Network? How to crash the FAA, Air Traffic Network?

Are we a Nation of Laws? Do we apply reason, or do we let skeptics like the ACLU forever lead the gullible around by the nose, and bend us to their agenda's which appear far from neutral. We we have spines? Are we Vertebrae or In-vertebrae? I say it's okay to pee standing up. Damn it!

A direct threat to innocents? From what I have heard parents could easily use that book as a how to on teaching their children how to avoid sexual predators. I haven't read it myself, so i cannot state this for certain, but the fact that criminals often use police guides to citizens on how to avoid scams to perpetrate those same scams leads me to believe it is possible. The truth is that anything can be used for both good and evil, so banning something because it is evil is a waste of its good potential.

Also, if this book is a direct threat to innocents, why did the sheriff in Florida buy it, and then charge the author under obscenity laws? That is almost impossible to prove, and all the defense has to do is provide any evidence of redeeming social value and the courts will overturn any conviction they manage to get. If it can be used to prevent anything it has redeeming social value.

As for your example about the IRS.

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2009/0302/030_taxes_cheat_pro.html

It is quite legal to print, and sell, advice on cheating on your taxes, build a bomb, and even attack children. Just don't actually do any of it.

 

[Mr. Jones]

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The sick fuck who wrote it should be eliminated from society by whatever means necessary. Those that would wish to follow his actions in the future will get the message that it is unacceptable, no first amendment debate needed.