CDZ A Good Time For Reflection

Shrimpbox

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The events of the last months are disconcerting. The gravity of the situation seems to be snowballing. More people,than ever are fearing that things could easily get out of hand. There are no leaders who are able to calm an anxious nation.

How does one navigate so much confusion?How does one process the constant drumbeat of death on every nightly news broadcast? Should an outside observer even bother with these video events that don't even exist in his or her world? How do you keep yourself centered.

You must think it through. Categorize all the headline racial events. First none of the incidents are connected. A Latin guy and a black kid, a cop and a wannabe thug kid, a cop and a twelve year old, a lot of cops and and a petty black criminal, and a whole bunch of subset killings involving black on black and black on white. So many are senseless violent acts that just can't be explained in any way. Many seem to be tragic and avoidable.

So you go back and say what principles do I believe in and what prejudices will I honestly admit to. I have to say I lean heavily towards giving law enforcement the benefit of the doubt. I also believe that there is a two tiered justice system not of black and white but of the moneyed and connected and the rest of us. I also subscribe to the life is not always fair and you have to learn how to deal with it school, as well as you make your own bad or good luck. The principles that would apply universally for me in these cases is that everyone of us has a duty to be responsible and accountable, actions have consequences, and none of us are above the law.

Trayvon had too much attitude and George had too much attitude. They both got into a scuffle like a million other people do every year but this one ended in tragedy, like winning some kind of twisted lottery where one man loses his life. This was not an incident that reflected on anyone else and these two had no relation to the police.

The story in ferguson reminds me of an old saying, " if you go looking for trouble chances are you are going to find trouble" . Michael Brown apparently did not feel any responsibility for acting properly in the convenience store, preferring to adopt the thug persona. When you adopt a thug persona bad things are very likely to happen to you. Bad things happened to Michael. The trial was as transparent as any legal proceedings I know of and if anything justice bent over backwards and went naked to assure fairness. Michael did not respect authority or other people. Why are we producing so many children like Michael who will meet similar fates?

I am not as familiar with the 12 year old shooting. I don't know how big the 12 year old was or even why the cop was there but the policeman sounds as if he didn't go down a checklist of possible actions he could have taken prior to pulling his gun. Maybe there is some truth to a lack of communication between some police and those they police over. Would a black cop have handled it different. Would there not have been any cop who might have started out by just talking to the kid. Police have a responsibility to use lethal force as a last resort and to have training that comes to play in these situations, but children who point real looking firearms at anybody have not had any lessons in responsibility from their parents or any other authority figures. Those who produce children must be accountable for their safety and protection. Those who serve and protect must value every life as much as their own.

In New York the tragedy seems so unnecessary. If this guy had been arrested 30 times before some of the cops should have known him or at least be familiar with his case . They certainly had enough manpower to overwhelm even a giant. All the officers on the scene bear some culpability for not speaking up about lightening up. I have no doubt that none of the officers wished any lethal harm to come to the subject but they have to be accountable for their actions irregardless of their intentions. Was the guy unhealthy and more prone to injury than most, yeah for sure, but just as the punishment needs to fit the crime, the arrest procedure needs to fit the crime. It's sad that some officers might lose their careers and even do some jail time over this, but no more sad than a man losing his life.

If we are going to ask the welfare recipient to be accountable, the chief executive to be accountable, then all the rest of us have to live up to the same standards irregardless of our fates. That is how I navigate these racial hurricanes. The figures are already out about black murders by police being no more common than whites murdered by police. Blacks are not special and police are not above the law and most Americans believe the same. Pray that we learn to obey the laws that preserve the greatest humanity.
 
The events of the last months are disconcerting. The gravity of the situation seems to be snowballing....

How does one navigate so much confusion?How does one process the constant drumbeat of death on every nightly news broadcast? Should an outside observer even bother with these video events that don't even exist in his or her world?

The first step is to realize that there is a difference between individual racism and institutional or societal racism. You don't have to have individual "racists" to produce racism. Racism is not a result of bad people, it is the result of a dysfunctional society. You can have very bad results from the actions of basically good people.

With respect to policing, the problem fifty years ago was racist cops in racist police forces in racist communities. Now many of the communities are not racist and many of the police officers are not racists, but the attitudes, training, and procedures of many departments are profoundly racist.

The crux is that too many police and white people in general regard black people, especially young black men, as a threat, what Chris Rock called "super-niggars". The stereotype is that they are large, physically powerful, lack self control, and are dangerous. If this stereotype sounds familiar, it was the justification for black codes two hundred years ago. The reason virtually all of the victims in these incidents are young and black is this perception. In the Sanford Florida and NYC this is clearly the case when there is no evidence of any violation more significant than a parking ticket.

This is going to keep happening. And the problem is not black people. This is 100% a white people problem. Until police stop defining their role in black communities as an occupying force like the Israelis in Palestinian communities, a lot of people are going to continue to be killed for no good reason. Black people have enough problems to resolve in their community without having to deal with decent cops exhibiting racist attitudes and behavior.

One last note. If anyone in this situation is truly evil, it is not the police or the victims. It is those in politics and the media who feed these stereotypes for gain and benefit from the ensuing racial animosity on both sides.
 
Lack of fathers and father figures in households teaching their sons to NOT fuck with cops.
One of the first lessons Black kids are taught is to be wary of cops. Economic status makes no difference.

Obviously, not enough of 'em.
Thats impossible. I bet you couldnt find one that wasnt given the talk if I gave you a year.

You need to reflect more.
You need to form coherent thoughts more often.
 
Lack of fathers and father figures in households teaching their sons to NOT fuck with cops.
One of the first lessons Black kids are taught is to be wary of cops. Economic status makes no difference.

Obviously, not enough of 'em.
Thats impossible. I bet you couldnt find one that wasnt given the talk if I gave you a year.

You need to reflect more.
You need to form coherent thoughts more often.

Obviously you don't like it when a white guy tells you to do something (reflect). Most black youth have the same problem w/ white cops. It's called 'learned behavior'.
 
One of the first lessons Black kids are taught is to be wary of cops. Economic status makes no difference.

Obviously, not enough of 'em.
Thats impossible. I bet you couldnt find one that wasnt given the talk if I gave you a year.

You need to reflect more.
You need to form coherent thoughts more often.

Obviously you don't like it when a white guy tells you to do something (reflect). Most black youth have the same problem w/ white cops. It's called 'learned behavior'.
I dont like it when anyone tells me to do something in a disrespectful manner. Reflecting is not going to change that. You dont know most Black youth so your opinion is not relevant.
 
Obviously, not enough of 'em.
Thats impossible. I bet you couldnt find one that wasnt given the talk if I gave you a year.

You need to reflect more.
You need to form coherent thoughts more often.

Obviously you don't like it when a white guy tells you to do something (reflect). Most black youth have the same problem w/ white cops. It's called 'learned behavior'.
I dont like it when anyone tells me to do something in a disrespectful manner. Reflecting is not going to change that. You dont know most Black youth so your opinion is not relevant.

I wasn't disrespectful. I don't have to know black youth, hell, they dig my company when I hang out with some at the Vegas sportsbooks and I'm 40 years older then them.......and they have a great sense of humor and are funnier then most white youth. But then again, I'm not a cop and tellin' any of them what to do or don't do. Thatz jus' reality.
 
Thats impossible. I bet you couldnt find one that wasnt given the talk if I gave you a year.

You need to reflect more.
You need to form coherent thoughts more often.

Obviously you don't like it when a white guy tells you to do something (reflect). Most black youth have the same problem w/ white cops. It's called 'learned behavior'.
I dont like it when anyone tells me to do something in a disrespectful manner. Reflecting is not going to change that. You dont know most Black youth so your opinion is not relevant.

I wasn't disrespectful. I don't have to know black youth, hell, they dig my company when I hang out with some at the Vegas sportsbooks and I'm 40 years older then them.......and they have a great sense of humor and are funnier then most white youth. But then again, I'm not a cop and tellin' any of them what to do or don't do. Thatz jus' reality.
I didnt mean you specifically. I literally meant anyone. If you come at a Black male with disrespect you are going to have an issue. Thats pretty much all you have when you are young and most will be damned if you attempt to take that.
 
Lack of fathers and father figures in households teaching their sons to NOT fuck with cops.
One of the first lessons Black kids are taught is to be wary of cops. Economic status makes no difference.
Many are not learning.

I taught survival skills in Alternative school.

One of the FIRST things I taught was shut your mouth and do not speak until spoken to when cops are around, and answer with yes sir and no sir.

Second thing I taught, when in jail, and the punitive anal sex starts, be on top of the situation.
 
Lack of fathers and father figures in households teaching their sons to NOT fuck with cops.
One of the first lessons Black kids are taught is to be wary of cops. Economic status makes no difference.
Many are not learning.

I taught survival skills in Alternative school.

One of the FIRST things I taught was shut your mouth and do not speak until spoken to when cops are around, and answer with yes sir and no sir.

Second thing I taught, when in jail, and the punitive anal sex starts, be on top of the situation.
Many white kids do the same or worse and they dont get shot for it. I know as a male it didnt matter what my parents taught me. I thought they were speaking from that era where Black people moved off the sidewalk for whites. Not too many Black kids have a connection with that dynamic. Especially when they see white kids get away with worse.
 
Lack of fathers and father figures in households teaching their sons to NOT fuck with cops.
One of the first lessons Black kids are taught is to be wary of cops. Economic status makes no difference.
Many are not learning.

I taught survival skills in Alternative school.

One of the FIRST things I taught was shut your mouth and do not speak until spoken to when cops are around, and answer with yes sir and no sir.

Second thing I taught, when in jail, and the punitive anal sex starts, be on top of the situation.
Many white kids do the same or worse and they dont get shot for it. I know as a male it didnt matter what my parents taught me. I thought they were speaking from that era where Black people moved off the sidewalk for whites. Not too many Black kids have a connection with that dynamic. Especially when they see white kids get away with worse.
A white kid got shot in this parish week before last.

Can't remember the last black shot here.

So much for that shit.

As for who moves, and who doesn't move on the sidewalk, it is all in how your carry yourself, not what color you are.

Same with respect.

I am 65, if a kid disrespects me, I am on his ass like flies on shit..

I think nothing of correcting attitudes for free; I did it for 25 years for next to nothing!
 
Martin Luther King Jr. was a strong enemy of Communism. He wanted nothing to do with it and even preached against Communism to the people. Martin Luther King Jr. was a follower of Jesus Christ. While I was looking up maxims by him on the internet the other day I noted some poster pictures claiming that he had attended some sort of school of Communism. This is a bold faced lie. He was never a part of anything to do with Communism, he preached strongly against it. Why are the Communists attempting to use him this way?

Because I believe the Communists are behind what is happening in America - in Ferguson - in many places and we need to come to terms with that. This is not about race. This is about Communists "using race" in order to divide and conquer us as a nation and as a people. We should not be allowing it to happen. The fastest way to stop the troublemakers is to turn around and identify who they are. It is the one thing they are not expecting us to do.
 
Obviously, not enough of 'em.
Thats impossible. I bet you couldnt find one that wasnt given the talk if I gave you a year.

You need to reflect more.
You need to form coherent thoughts more often.

Obviously you don't like it when a white guy tells you to do something (reflect). Most black youth have the same problem w/ white cops. It's called 'learned behavior'.
I dont like it when anyone tells me to do something in a disrespectful manner. Reflecting is not going to change that. You dont know most Black youth so your opinion is not relevant.

No one likes being told to do something in a disrespectful manner, Asclepias. That is not something unique to one race. That is across the board - no one likes being treated disrespectfully. Unfortunately we live in an imperfect world where many people are downright rude! Some are confrontational and looking for trouble. This again - is not a race oriented problem but rather a problem with the human race which is why Jesus came - to redeem us and restore us to our right image - how we should be - walking as He did when He was on the earth - you know? A soft answer turns away wrath. If a young person was rude to me I would feel compelled to not react because that is not going to be of any help to them. It is easy to react - it is harder to "act" and in that to act in Christ and not apart from Him. I find that the angriest people are usually suffering from a spirit of fear. Many are harboring unforgiveness over some deep hurt or memory of a wrong done to them in the past. So there is torment involved. Tormented people are not happy people and so we can all afford to be compassionate towards others realizing that we do not know what they are going through.

I do understand that police vary and some have abused their power, some have no business wearing a badge because they have unresolved issues, and it is up to the department to identify these people and remove them. We need to allow law and order to prevail though - no matter the situation - we have a court system and it does work.
 
Thats impossible. I bet you couldnt find one that wasnt given the talk if I gave you a year.

You need to reflect more.
You need to form coherent thoughts more often.

Obviously you don't like it when a white guy tells you to do something (reflect). Most black youth have the same problem w/ white cops. It's called 'learned behavior'.
I dont like it when anyone tells me to do something in a disrespectful manner. Reflecting is not going to change that. You dont know most Black youth so your opinion is not relevant.

No one likes being told to do something in a disrespectful manner, Asclepias. That is not something unique to one race. That is across the board - no one likes being treated disrespectfully. Unfortunately we live in an imperfect world where many people are downright rude! Some are confrontational and looking for trouble. This again - is not a race oriented problem but rather a problem with the human race which is why Jesus came - to redeem us and restore us to our right image - how we should be - walking as He did when He was on the earth - you know? A soft answer turns away wrath. If a young person was rude to me I would feel compelled to not react because that is not going to be of any help to them. It is easy to react - it is harder to "act" and in that to act in Christ and not apart from Him. I find that the angriest people are usually suffering from a spirit of fear. Many are harboring unforgiveness over some deep hurt or memory of a wrong done to them in the past. So there is torment involved. Tormented people are not happy people and so we can all afford to be compassionate towards others realizing that we do not know what they are going through.

I do understand that police vary and some have abused their power, some have no business wearing a badge because they have unresolved issues, and it is up to the department to identify these people and remove them. We need to allow law and order to prevail though - no matter the situation - we have a court system and it does work.
I was with you until you said the court system works. In the case of Black people it works against us. Thats one of the systems used by whites to maintain their strangle hold on ownership of most of the resources. There is no reason Black people are put in prison at a higher rate than whites when whites commit the same crime.
 
You need to reflect more.
You need to form coherent thoughts more often.

Obviously you don't like it when a white guy tells you to do something (reflect). Most black youth have the same problem w/ white cops. It's called 'learned behavior'.
I dont like it when anyone tells me to do something in a disrespectful manner. Reflecting is not going to change that. You dont know most Black youth so your opinion is not relevant.

No one likes being told to do something in a disrespectful manner, Asclepias. That is not something unique to one race. That is across the board - no one likes being treated disrespectfully. Unfortunately we live in an imperfect world where many people are downright rude! Some are confrontational and looking for trouble. This again - is not a race oriented problem but rather a problem with the human race which is why Jesus came - to redeem us and restore us to our right image - how we should be - walking as He did when He was on the earth - you know? A soft answer turns away wrath. If a young person was rude to me I would feel compelled to not react because that is not going to be of any help to them. It is easy to react - it is harder to "act" and in that to act in Christ and not apart from Him. I find that the angriest people are usually suffering from a spirit of fear. Many are harboring unforgiveness over some deep hurt or memory of a wrong done to them in the past. So there is torment involved. Tormented people are not happy people and so we can all afford to be compassionate towards others realizing that we do not know what they are going through.

I do understand that police vary and some have abused their power, some have no business wearing a badge because they have unresolved issues, and it is up to the department to identify these people and remove them. We need to allow law and order to prevail though - no matter the situation - we have a court system and it does work.
I was with you until you said the court system works. In the case of Black people it works against us. Thats one of the systems used by whites to maintain their strangle hold on ownership of most of the resources. There is no reason Black people are put in prison at a higher rate than whites when whites commit the same crime.


conspiracy theory noted
 

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