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    Coorelation between manmade GHGs and atmospheric warming.

    http://www2.sunysuffolk.edu/mandias/global_warming/fact-from-fiction.pdf

    Fiction:Greenhouse Effect Has Not Been Measured –Only Modeled
    •Evans & Puckrin(2006) measured the downward radiative flux for several important greenhouse gases. The greenhouse effect from trace gases in the atmosphere is real and adds significantly to global warming.
    •Their data indicates that an energy flux imbalance of 3.5 W/m2has been created by anthropogenic emissions of greenhouse gases since 1850. This compares favorably with a modeled prediction of 2.55 W/m2.
    •They concluded: "This experimental data should effectively end the argument by skeptics that no experimental evidence exists for the connection between greenhouse gas increases in the atmosphere and global warming."
    •Increased CO2is preventing LW radiation from escaping the atmosphereand this decreasing LW radiation is accurately being predicted by models.
    •Wang & Liang (2009) estimated downwellingLW radiation under both clear and cloudy conditions at about 3200 stations from 1973 to 2008 were presented.
    •Daily downwellingLW increased at an average rate of 2.2 W/m2per decade from 1973 to 2008.The rising trend results from increases in air temperature, atmospheric water vapor, and CO2concentration.
     
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    These are much better!

    Climate Depot

    Watts Up With That?
     
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    Of course, for a non-scientist idiot, they would be.
     
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    that's why he recommended them to you
     
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    :lol::lol::lol: Beat me to it!
     
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    i have no self control :redface: :lol:
     
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    He establishes himself as a liar in the first sentence claiming that the present is the warmest period in the past 2000 years completely disregarding the MWP and ther Roman warm period which were clearly warmer than the present and global in nature.

    There is so much peer reviewed data out there supporting the fact that both the MWP and the RWP were warmer than the present and global that anyone who disregards them on the basis of one proxy study that was found to use inappropriate proxies has to be just plain slow on the uptake.

    I won't go into all the other errors in your blog masquerading as science as you would just cover your ears with your hands and scream LA LA LA as loud as you can anyway.
     
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    nobody cares about the science.......we have a bit of a debt crisis to worry about!!!

    Oh.....and on the way home from work last night, I paid $4.39 a gallon at Shell. Trust me.........nobody is driving around thinking about CO2.:D:D


    And check out the fcukking disaster has been in England with them going green...........shit.....the fcukking wind turbines are freezing up so..........THEY HAVE TO BUY HEATERS FOR THEM:lol::lol::lol:.


    They consume more heat then they generate!!!

    On Green Energy: Renewable Energy Fails to Green the U.K. Economy — The American Magazine


    Not to mention that for every one green job gained, the country loses three jobs.:up::up::up::boobies:


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    Damn Rocks.......its not even Saturday am yet and Im blowing to shit another thread..............

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    When are you going to pull your head out of your hiney long enough to grasp the fact that coorelation does not equal cause. There is a coorelation between eating carrots and dying in a crash on an interstate highway, but eating carrots is not a cause of interstate highway death.

    The published, peer reviewed data simply blows your goofball blog out of the water. I don't have time to bring peer reviewed data to sink every claim on that idiot blog, but maybe I can tear down the goofiest of them for you.

    Claim: The climate record of the last 2000 years is fairly well-established. The last few decades have been the warmest in this time period and the rate of warming is unprecedented.

    Reality: The record of the last 2000 years is failrly well established and the last few decades are most certainly not the warmest in the time period and the rate of warming is certainly not unprecedented. Your guy establishes himself as a liar in his first sentence.

    Multi-Science Publishing - Journal Article

    SpringerLink - Chinese Science Bulletin, Volume 53, Number 19

    CSA

    Evidence for a warmer period during the 12th and 13th centuries AD from chironomid assemblages in Southampton Island, Nunavut, Canada

    SpringerLink - Climatic Change, Volume 26, Numbers 2-3

    SpringerLink - Climatic Change, Volume 26, Numbers 2-3

    ScienceDirect - Palaeogeography, Palaeoclimatology, Palaeoecology : Medieval climate warming and aridity as indicated by multiproxy evidence from the Kola Peninsula, Russia

    ScienceDirect - Global and Planetary Change : Medieval Warm Period, Little Ice Age and 20th century temperature variability from Chesapeake Bay


    Claim: There is a consensus.

    Reality: Consensus is politics, not science

    http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/regv15n2/v15n2-9.pdf

    Energy Citations Database (ECD) - - Document #7073612

    Multi-Science Publishing - Journal Article

    Doran & Zimmerman (2009) - "Examining the Scientific Consensus on Climate Change"

    Oreskes (2004) - "The Scientific Consensus on Climate Change"


    Claim: It isn't the sun.

    Reality: The claim is a joke.

    [astro-ph/0503306] Ice Age Epochs and the Sun's Path Through the Galaxy

    Inference of Solar Irradiance Variability from Terrestrial Temperature Changes, 1880-1993: An Astrophysical Application of the Sun-Climate Connection

    Energy Citations Database (ECD) - - Document #4097463

    CSA

    SpringerLink - Climatic Change, Volume 2, Number 1

    Sunspots, the QBO, and the stratospheric temperature in the north polar region

    CSA

    SpringerLink - Solar Physics, Volume 152, Number 1

    Claim: It isn't cosmic rays.

    Reality.

    Cosmic Radiation and the Weather

    Solar Variability Influences on Weather and Climate: Possible Connections Through Cosmic Ray Fluxes and Storm Intensification

    ScienceDirect - Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics : Variation of cosmic ray flux and global cloud coverage—a missing link in solar-climate relationships

    Geomagnetism and Aeronomy

    geomag1_96p108abs

    ScienceDirect - Advances in Space Research : Meteorological characteristic changes in the high-latitudinal atmosphere associated with Forbush decreases of the galactic cosmic rays

    Claim: CO2 doesn't lag temperature/

    Reality: The reality is that I am lauging in your face for believing such tripe when the observed evidence and the peer reviewed materials clearly indicate otherwise.

    Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide Concentration Across the Mid-Pleistocene Transition

    http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/taylor/indermuehle00grl.pdf

    clip: "The lag was calculated for which the correlation coefficient of the CO2 record and the corresponding temperatures values reached a maximum. The simulation yields a lag of (1200 ± 700) yr."

    Atmospheric CO2 Concentrations over the Last Glacial Termination

    Clip: "The start of the CO2 increase thus lagged the start of the [temperature] increase by 800 ± 600 years."

    Ice Core Records of Atmospheric CO2 Around the Last Three Glacial Terminations

    Clip: "High-resolution records from Antarctic ice cores show that carbon dioxide concentrations increased by 80 to 100 parts per million by volume 600 ± 400 years after the warming of the last three deglaciations."

    Southern Hemisphere and Deep-Sea Warming Led Deglacial Atmospheric CO2 Rise and Tropical Warming

    ScienceDirect - Quaternary Science Reviews : The phase relations among atmospheric CO2 content, temperature and global ice volume over the past 420 ka

    Clip: "Over the full 420 ka of the Vostok record, CO2 variations lag behind atmospheric temperature changes in the Southern Hemisphere by 1.3±1.0 ka"

    Timing of Atmospheric CO2 and Antarctic Temperature Changes Across Termination III


    Claim: It isn't water vapor.

    Reality: Only a complete idiot would make such a claim. That one doesn't even require peer reviewed data to debunk although there is plenty. You can confirm that one is a lie on your own if you have the cojones to look at the truth.

    Pick yourself two points on the map at the same lattitude and same general altitude. One a coastal area, one a desert. Compare the day time and night time temperatures. The coastal area will be cooler during the day as the result of higher humidity than the desert. The desert will cool much more quickly during the night as the result of lower humidity. Both have the same atmospheric CO2 concentration. It is the water vapor, or lack of water vapor, that accounts for the differences in temperature fluctuation.

    Do feel free to describe a situation in which differences in atmospheric CO2 account for such stark temperature differences.

    Claim: Climate models are reliable.

    Reality: Here is a big old horse laugh just for you...HA HAAA HA HHHA HAAAH

    Altitude dependence of atmospheric temperature trends: Climate models versus observation

    Multi-Science Publishing - Journal Article

    Phys. Rev. Lett. 89, 028501 (2002): Global Climate Models Violate Scaling of the Observed Atmospheric Variability

    Seductive Simulations? Uncertainty Distribution Around Climate Models

    ScienceDirect - Applied Energy : Shortcomings of CO2-climate models raise questions about the wisdom of energy policy implications

    Useless Arithmetic: Ten Points to Ponder When Using Mathematical Models in Environmental Decision Making - Pilkey-Jarvis - 2008 - Public Administration Review - Wiley Online Library

    SpringerLink - Pure and Applied Geophysics, Volume 135, Number 1

    Multi-Science Publishing - Journal Article

    http://www.warwickhughes.com/hoyt/scorecard.htm


    The bottom line is that your blog is a sham and you display a crippling lack of knowledge by believing the author.
     

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