A good idea?

[Angelhair]

Quick fix the the illegal immigration problem: Make it not take TEN YEARS and a fortune to get citizenship. Streamline the LEGAL process, get rid of 90% of the red tape, redundancies, and built in garbage. Encourage LEGAL immigration.

We encourage legal immigration now. what you're advocating is open borders aren't you?

Not at all.

And we do NOT encourage legal immigration, when you consider how difficult, time-consuming and expensive it is to obtain citizenship.

And why should it be easy??? This country does not have to let ANYBODY in legal or illegal unless they want to and need to. Where is it written that the USA HAS to allow everybody and their brother to live here???? Why should we encourage immigration when this country is not in need of millions upon millions more arriving here???? If and when this country is in dire need , then it should be the one to decide how many come in.

 

[MaggieMae]

Quick fix the the illegal immigration problem: Make it not take TEN YEARS and a fortune to get citizenship. Streamline the LEGAL process, get rid of 90% of the red tape, redundancies, and built in garbage. Encourage LEGAL immigration.

It hasn't changed because the BOGSATs don't want it to change. If they did, all they'd have to do is make mandatory jail time for hiring illegals... And enforce it... <POOF!> problem solved almost instantly.

Unfortunately it's a much deeper and more complex issue than grandstanders want to make it appear.

Which, you just did the same thing. Proposed a feel-good, simple solution to a much deeper and complex issue. The fact is, most illegals are hired because they provided false identification. That's not on the companies who hired them, it's on the fraudulent applicant. If the I-9 form is being filled out erroneously, that's not the companies' fault. The illegal should be jailed here, not the company who followed the law. The law does NOT require companies to verify the documents.

Employers, regardless how small, should be using the E-verify system. Two recent articles on the subject.

E-Verify Misses Half of Illegal Workers, Report Finds - FoxNews.com

As lawmakers look at E-Verify, businesses fear expansion of immigration program

 

[MaggieMae]

Alabama (1990)
Alaska (1998)
Arizona (2006)
Arkansas (1987)
California (1986)
Colorado (1988)
Florida (1988)
Georgia (1986 & 1996)
Hawaii (1978)
Idaho (2007)
Illinois (1969)
Indiana (1984)
Iowa (2002)
Kansas (2007)
Kentucky (1984)

Louisiana (1812)
Massachusetts (1975)
Mississippi (1987)
Missouri (1998 & 2008)
Montana (1995)
Nebraska (1920)
New Hampshire (1995)
North Carolina (1987)
North Dakota (1987)
Oklahoma (2010)
South Carolina (1987)
South Dakota (1995)
Tennessee (1984)
Utah (2000)
Virginia (1981 & 1996)
Wyoming (1996)

Well just designating English as the official language really doesn't help much with the indirect costs involved in providing translators or instructions in other commonly spoken foreign languages such as at DMV locations, police stations, post offices, courtrooms, welfare offices, social security offices, etc.

 

[MaggieMae]

We encourage legal immigration now. what you're advocating is open borders aren't you?

Not at all.

And we do NOT encourage legal immigration, when you consider how difficult, time-consuming and expensive it is to obtain citizenship.

And why should it be easy??? This country does not have to let ANYBODY in legal or illegal unless they want to and need to. Where is it written that the USA HAS to allow everybody and their brother to live here???? Why should we encourage immigration when this country is not in need of millions upon millions more arriving here???? If and when this country is in dire need , then it should be the one to decide how many come in.

It should be made easier because if more immigrants could actually afford the process and it didn't take so long to achieve, they wouldn't be smuggling themselves in and immediately moving into the shadows. Just stop them isn't an option as long as our borders remain porous.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Alabama (1990)
Alaska (1998)
Arizona (2006)
Arkansas (1987)
California (1986)
Colorado (1988)
Florida (1988)
Georgia (1986 & 1996)
Hawaii (1978)
Idaho (2007)
Illinois (1969)
Indiana (1984)
Iowa (2002)
Kansas (2007)
Kentucky (1984)

Louisiana (1812)
Massachusetts (1975)
Mississippi (1987)
Missouri (1998 & 2008)
Montana (1995)
Nebraska (1920)
New Hampshire (1995)
North Carolina (1987)
North Dakota (1987)
Oklahoma (2010)
South Carolina (1987)
South Dakota (1995)
Tennessee (1984)
Utah (2000)
Virginia (1981 & 1996)
Wyoming (1996)

Well just designating English as the official language really doesn't help much with the indirect costs involved in providing translators or instructions in other commonly spoken foreign languages such as at DMV locations, police stations, post offices, courtrooms, welfare offices, social security offices, etc.

All true, the point of the map though is to show that most of the states have adopted legislation to make English their official language. Now if we could simply get Washington to do something constructive for a change......

 

[Cuyo]

Quick fix the the illegal immigration problem: Make it not take TEN YEARS and a fortune to get citizenship. Streamline the LEGAL process, get rid of 90% of the red tape, redundancies, and built in garbage. Encourage LEGAL immigration.

It hasn't changed because the BOGSATs don't want it to change. If they did, all they'd have to do is make mandatory jail time for hiring illegals... And enforce it... <POOF!> problem solved almost instantly.

Unfortunately it's a much deeper and more complex issue than grandstanders want to make it appear.

Which, you just did the same thing. Proposed a feel-good, simple solution to a much deeper and complex issue. The fact is, most illegals are hired because they provided false identification. That's not on the companies who hired them, it's on the fraudulent applicant. If the I-9 form is being filled out erroneously, that's not the companies' fault. The illegal should be jailed here, not the company who followed the law. The law does NOT require companies to verify the documents.

No, I didn't propose it. I said the proposition existed, and it hasn't been proposed or enacted because we don't really want to get rid of them. It's not yet been shown to be in our best interests.

 

[Cuyo]

Not at all.

And we do NOT encourage legal immigration, when you consider how difficult, time-consuming and expensive it is to obtain citizenship.

I don't know current policy, but I once contacted an immigration lawyer at the request of a Guatemalan on my construction site who wanted to become legal. That lawyer said he would have to go back to Guatemala for 10 years before even attempting to start the process.

Things may have changed - That was during Bush's 1st term.

That has nothing at all to do with Bush. It has everything to do with bloated government red tape that has been building up over generations of congresses, Presidents, you name it.

I provided the name for time frame purposes only.

 

[Angelhair]

Not at all.

And we do NOT encourage legal immigration, when you consider how difficult, time-consuming and expensive it is to obtain citizenship.

And why should it be easy??? This country does not have to let ANYBODY in legal or illegal unless they want to and need to. Where is it written that the USA HAS to allow everybody and their brother to live here???? Why should we encourage immigration when this country is not in need of millions upon millions more arriving here???? If and when this country is in dire need , then it should be the one to decide how many come in.

It should be made easier because if more immigrants could actually afford the process and it didn't take so long to achieve, they wouldn't be smuggling themselves in and immediately moving into the shadows. Just stop them isn't an option as long as our borders remain porous.

Don't stop them - just deport them as they come in. Something MUST be done and NOTHING is being done. Too many pro-open border loons and pro-illegal loons getting in the way of a solution.

 

[gekaap]

Well just designating English as the official language really doesn't help much with the indirect costs involved in providing translators or instructions in other commonly spoken foreign languages such as at DMV locations, police stations, post offices, courtrooms, welfare offices, social security offices, etc.

If English is officially recognized as the official language, no such translators should be necessary.

 

[gekaap]

It should be made easier because if more immigrants could actually afford the process and it didn't take so long to achieve, they wouldn't be smuggling themselves in and immediately moving into the shadows. Just stop them isn't an option as long as our borders remain porous.

So that means that the borders need to be secured, not that immigration should be made easier. Saying that legal immigration needs to be made easier so that people stop doing it illegally is like saying that it should be easier to legally murder someone so that people stop doing it illegally. It's question begging.