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    Later this month, ships from all over the world will converge in the Mediterranean and set sail for the occupied and besieged Gaza Strip. This international coalition is called the Freedom Flotilla.

    The Israeli government has responded to the "sea intifada" coming its way with saber rattling and accusations of serving Hamas. Israel has proscribed the Turkish human rights and relief group Insani Vardim Vakafi (IHH). IHH is responsible for sending a cargo ship and passenger ship in the Freedom Flotilla. Israel has accused it and Free Gaza of "supporting terrorism." Half the Israeli navy is set to challenge the mission, with Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak at the helm commanding the operation in person. The air force is on standby and "diplomatic pressure" is being applied behind the scenes. The message is clear from Israel: "We will stop you and we will use force to stop you."

    At no point does the Freedom Flotilla enter Israeli territorial waters. The journey starts in local European or Turkish waters, courses through international waters and ends in Gaza's territorial waters. No checkpoints interrupt us. No walls daunt our sight. We've proven that it's possible to sail a clear line with no borders, as we want the world to be, until we get to Gaza.

    Every Palestinian family we met in Gaza, particularly after Israel's invasion last winter kept saying to us: "We don't want aid, we need a political solution; we need our rights. Our issue cannot be reduced or swapped into bags of flour or food parcels. Palestine is not a humanitarian issue -- it is a political one." This reality, of the need for justice, tests the aid industry in Palestine, and the false "objectivity" and lack of political will in the face of human suffering with the claim: "We don't take sides. We want to continue to keep giving our humanitarian aid."

    Well, we do take sides -- that of direct democracy over occupation and apartheid.

    This flotilla is an interruption to a discourse of power that says -- governments know best, leave it to us to negotiate new "freedoms" and realities; a continuation of not even top-down but top-to-top processes of keeping power out of the hands of ordinary people. Leaders fly from continent to continent, round table discussions go round and round, elephants in the room stamp their feet and roar ignored. This flotilla puts that power back into our hands -- to interrupt this ongoing Nakba.

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    Douche bag redneck! How do you know they are humanitarian aid? Because they say so. Many of these ships can be and ARE packed with arms and missiles.

    Regardless of your propaganda, the Gazan are starving and aren't without supplies they need to function with.

    So take your propaganda and shove it up your ass!


     
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    Silly.
    IHH is a humanitarian organization, legally registered in Turkey.
    Israel has no authority to stop activities by this Organization in Palestine.
    Only the Palestinians have, by outlawing that organization to operate in Palestine.
    But it is also legal there.

    So, you have 2 choices:
    - Either stop those ships, which puts Israel into position of a Pirate State
    - Let those ships do what they do

    Turkish Navy is also in Gulf of Aden (Yemen-Somalia) because of Pirates touching Turkish ships that are not related to Turkish government or state-administration to Turkey.
    Yet, Turkish Navy protects those ships from Pirates.
    Don't become an evil Pirate state.
     
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    http://www.usmessageboard.com/the-m...very-hyprocritical-when-critizing-israel.html
    :lol:

     
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    Don't become a Pirate State.

    Israel Navy:
    3 Corvettes
    3 Submarines
    10 Missile Boats
    Israeli Navy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Turkish Navy:
    19 Frigates
    7 Corvettes
    14 Submarines
    33 Missile Boats
    Turkish Navy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    + 6 submarines under construction
    + 8 Frigates under construction
    + 7 Corvettes under construction
    + 16 Missile Boats under construction
    Turkish Navy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Israelian Fish-Food.
     
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    For the terminally misinformed, all the Free Gaza boats are inspected by the government at the port of departure to ensure that there are no weapons.
     
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    Israel has few options and none of them are good. What can be done about hundreds of unarmed civilians working in compliance with international law? Many of these civilians are government officials from 20 different countries.
     
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    GAZA, (PIC)-- Spokesman for the Turkish IHH relief foundation Ziyad Al-Aloul called on the international community to move to end the Israeli threats to attack the Freedom Flotilla convoy and prevent it from reaching the besieged Gaza Strip.

    In a press release on Wednesday, Aloul condemned the Israeli intent to attack more than 500 people from Turkey, Europe and Arab states as “state terrorism” and demanded the countries which sent their forces to fight piracy in the gulf of Aden to seriously confront any similar act targeting the security and safety of the participants in the aid convoy sailing in international waters.

    He noted that the participants include European and Turkish lawmakers, diplomats, intellectuals, artists, journalists and human rights activists.

    “It is time for the UN to move to put an end to Israel’s repeated attempts to violate international law and act as a state above the law,” the IHH spokesman stressed.

    In the same context, the popular committee against the siege declared its intention to send 100 Palestinian boats off the coast of Gaza to receive the Freedom Flotilla convoy upon its arrival in cooperation with the government committee for breaking the siege and the Palestinian international campaign.

    Aloul warns of possible Israeli piracy against Freedom Flotilla in Gaza waters
     
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    ISTANBUL, (PIC)-- Three Turkish aid ships, part of the Freedom Flotilla coalition convoy, will be sailing off on Saturday to meet other ships from European and Arab countries in some point in the Mediterranean sea before heading together for the besieged Gaza Strip.

    Nearly 50 countries provided support for the convoy that will be carrying about 10 tons of humanitarian aid for Gaza people and boarded by about 750 multinational people. The convoy is supposed to reach its destination within 24 hours from its gathering point if not intercepted by the Israeli navy.

    The Israeli foreign ministry held a meeting with ambassadors of the European countries participating in the convoy and Turkey to tell them it would not allow the Freedom Flotilla ships to dock at Gaza, but head of IHH foundation Bulent Yildirim confirmed that the ships would reach its destination regardless of Israel’s position.

    Kaya told the government committee for breaking the siege that Israel would open confrontation with many countries, whose nationals are participating in the convoy, if its navy shelled the ships, stressing that the participants will never return back at any cost before completing their mission.

    He pointed out that there is a plan to organize anti-siege convoys on a monthly basis to alleviate the suffering of Gaza people.

    Freedom Flotilla aid ships challenge Israeli siege and head for Gaza
     

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