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    Boy would it not be fun to listen to the conversations going on right now between the hopeless 9 and their PR people !

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    If public opinion in Iraq overwhelmingly changes, and I think it will, that will all but assure GWB a 2nd term. If any WMD should surface between now and July it would also solidify their demise.

    Squirm, dems, squirm!
     
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    although the capture of hussein will certainly raise the presidents popularity, never forget that people vote with their wallets.

    If more people arent working and making a decent income it wont matter how the iraq war goes for GW.
     
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    Some agreement here, but two things :

    One, I have seen no good economic plan come from any of the 9, that would change employment numbers in reality not just theory.

    Second, the economic recovery will continue and I feel pretty confident we will see the employment situation improve by the time elections roll around.
     
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    I'm with ya, DK. I've been unemployed for quite some time as well. Although mostly by choice and I haven't been looking as of late, the job market is still pretty harsh. I think we'll see it slowly picking up steam along with the economy.
     
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    although no 'decent' economic plan seems to be forthcoming, people will generally take a new approach over a markedly slow one, even if that new approach is vague.

    I certainly hope so, two things need to happen for the average laborer to feel this recovery. More jobs available and more medium to high paying jobs available.

    Lots of us IT workers took it in the seat of our pants due to globalization. I don't know how it affected Jim, or anyone else, but I know that I wasn't a 80k+ a year worker and I am certainly looking at a pay cut just to work in a field I studied for 13 years. Just to find work, I'm looking at making 25% less than before. If too many people are faced with the same aspect, It doesn't look good for the republicans.
     
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    You are right, and it is ashame that people make bad business decisions everyday.

    I am well aware of the problems in the world of IT, that is my business. Here you will get little disagreement from me, it is disgracefull what is happening, and like I have said I am currently in a battle royal with the board over outsourcing. They want to outsource most of our programming to India.
     
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    for this board right here?

    let me explain why this is not necessarily a good idea, for whoever cares to listen.

    http://www.nwc.com/showitem.jhtml?articleID=15201900

    What are my options if my highly productive, 15-person software team generates only one-third the output our customers demand? I was certain that augmenting our team with offshore development was the right answer. It wasn't, at least for a small project we recently outsourced to an Indian firm. Here's our story.

    Personally, I was excited about the promise of offshore outsourcing. If it worked, we'd be heroes to the business. Philosophically, I view free trade as highly beneficial to its participants.

    The Tier 1 Indian vendor we invited to implement the project was successfully supporting our Siebel 7 sales-force-automation implementation, so both sides thought this project would be a slam dunk. The vendor agreed to take on the project for a fixed fee of $20,000, with a nine-week time line.

    To avoid finger-pointing, everyone agreed that the vendor should perform all phases of the project, from gathering business requirements through QA (quality assurance). Life Time's internal staff would monitor and participate in every way necessary for the project to succeed. If the project proved successful (defined as anything shy of disaster), we promised a small fortune in project work.

    The project got off to a good start. The vendor's business analyst met frequently with the real-estate division's users and, with the on-site liaison, worked furiously to document all the functional and user interface requirements within four weeks.

    By week three, however, our internal lead business analyst threw up a red flag. His review of the functional specs exposed problems in the requirements, particularly in the interface specs. For example, the UI as laid out forced the users to re-enter data they had previously entered. Plus, the screen flow was illogical and confusing. The on-site liaison countered that though the UI had problems, it ostensibly complied with the documented business requirements.


    To ensure that we would get what we needed, we extended the project time line, agreed to a cost increase of $7,000 to allow for additional analysis and better interface design, and dedicated internal Life Time analysis and UI people to guide the final version of the documentation.

    Once offshore, however, the project started down the slippery slope. Upon receiving the offshore company's database design, Life Time's lead data architect declared it to be the worst he'd ever seen. There were so many critical database flaws--more than 100--that our architects were unable to log all of the defects within the scheduled one-week review period.


    The database was not the only problem area. Determined to dazzle us with their software prowess, the offshore developers insisted on completing the entire code design before allowing us to review it (we had requested an early design sample to head off any problems). Naively confident in their original code design, the offshore team had launched immediately into writing Java code before checking the code design into CVS for our review. Tragically, our review determined that the offshore team's design patterns weren't in accordance with the standards Life Time follows, invalidating all the offshore team's Java code.

    This story goes on, but the trend shows that it had numerous problems. What this company, and others, continued to do is attempt to validate the cost savings in terms of fixed salaries. This company continued to use offshoring for a project that failed numerous times and had to be re-organized all in the name of 'cutting costs'. I ask you, where do we want to go? lowest cost possible with innumerous headaches, worries, and re-organizing? Or do we work for the best product and the best conditions?

    Microsoft, as well as other big companies, have done things the fastest and cheapest way possible and look where its gotten them. Yes, they are cash rich and undeniably one of the most popular software makers but look at the security nightmares they deal with, not to mention the PR issues they face. Where do we draw the line?
     
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    No, the board of directors of the Corp. I run.
     
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    gotcha.
     

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