A few ways to stimulate economic growth and new jobs why the hell not?

[code1211]

Who says cleaner energy sources is not viable? Of course it is.

Where does that nonsense come from?

Sure we need other sources for new jobs.... and that will come up soon enough.

Cleaner energy sources will provide new jobs in every state which is economic growth. Jobs is where economic growth comes from.

These jobs cannot be outsourced if we make it that way!

One of the many policies of the Big 0 that is slowing economic growth is his drive to increase the price of fossil fuel products. If the price of a gallon of gas was selling at less than $2.00 as opposed to the Obama driven more than $3.00, there would be an economic recovery just based on that.

Obama's whole energy program was based on the hope that the price of gas would be over $7.00/gallon.

 

[code1211]

The GObP/Repubs are against jobs and economic growth.

Unless it benefits Big Oil, Big Pharma, Big Insurance, Big Business, they'll filibuster it to death.

(That's why marijuana is illegal. As soon as they can figure out how to profit from a weed that will grow in your back yard, they'll want to legalize it. Same with such things as wind and/or solar power. damned hard to control the profits of either one. And, if you wanna see pubs in favor of regulations, just say marijuana in their presence! 'cept, they'll call it a "tax". LOL)

I heard that it was legalized in California and now it costs less and the quality is better.

Another example of free market efficiencies. Unlike your fascist model of forcing something that nobody wants into the market.

You heard wrong. The pot growers in Northern California put big money into keeping it illegal. They won, and they are still making major profits.

Plummeting Marijuana Prices Create A Panic In California : NPR

<snip>
May 15, 2010
For decades, illegal marijuana cultivation has been an economic lifeblood for three counties in northern California known as the Emerald Triangle.

The war on drugs and frequent raids by federal drug agents have helped support the local economy — keeping prices for street sales of pot high and keeping profits rich.

But high times are changing. Legal pot, under the guise of the California's medical marijuana laws, has spurred a rush of new competition. As a result, the wholesale price of pot grown in these areas is plunging.
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[merrill]

Who says cleaner energy sources is not viable? Of course it is.

Where does that nonsense come from?

Sure we need other sources for new jobs.... and that will come up soon enough.

Cleaner energy sources will provide new jobs in every state which is economic growth. Jobs is where economic growth comes from.

These jobs cannot be outsourced if we make it that way!

One of the many policies of the Big 0 that is slowing economic growth is his drive to increase the price of fossil fuel products. If the price of a gallon of gas was selling at less than $2.00 as opposed to the Obama driven more than $3.00, there would be an economic recovery just based on that.

Obama's whole energy program was based on the hope that the price of gas would be over $7.00/gallon.

Is that so? How does the president control the price of gasoline?

It's the investors that jack with the price of gasoline....

 

[merrill]

Benefits of a 20 Percent by 2020
National Renewable Electricity Standard

Job Creation - 355,000 new jobs&#8212;nearly twice as many as generating electricity from fossil fuels

Economic Development - $72.6 billion in new capital investment, $16.2 billion in income to farmers, ranchers, and rural landowners, and $5.0 billion in new local tax revenues

Consumer Savings - $49 billion in lower electricity and natural gas bills

Healthier Environment - Reductions of global warming pollution equal to taking nearly 71 million cars off the road, plus less haze, smog, acid rain, mercury contamination, and water use


Now WE have more expendable cash in our own personal cookie jars.

 

[code1211]

Um, right. It's a fantastic idea and anybody with the money to invest in this is running in the opposite direction so fast that if you could harness that energy, there would be no need for any kind of fuel at all.

Why do you spend so much time trying to convince that something that is not real is real?

If these types of energy were viable, there would be no need to subsidize it, legislate it, regulate the other types out of existence or do anything else. It would just happen.

It's a little like a gay guy trying to be straight. It just ain't gonna happen.

I agree and disagree. If there is no need to subsidize this form of energy, then there should be no need to subsidize other forms of energy, such as oil.

We have been subsidizing oil and coal for decades. Were we to subsidize alternatives on the same scale, we could shut down the coal fired plants.

The primary problem right now with alternatives is not their cost. In the case of wind, it is far cheaper than clean coal, and even less in many places than dirty coal. The problem is that we do not have the grid in the right places and the grid is not a distributed grid.

We need a program like that Eisenhower used to create our Interstate System to build a national grid.

Do facts give you a rash? If we were to subsidize these losers at the same rate we would be giving them nothing. Exxon does pay taxes and the government gives them tax breaks to reduce the amount of tax they would otherwise pay. Since the Solyndras of the world make no profit, they pay no tax and do not have access to a reduction in their tax liability.

Do you know the difference between a tax deduction and a government grant or subsidy?

Oil tax breaks in spotlight, parsing what Exxon pays - May. 4, 2011


In the first months of this year, Exxon (XOM, Fortune 500) says it paid $3.1 billion in taxes in the United States -- more than even the $2.6 billion in profit it made selling oil and gas.

To get to that number, the company includes the federal and state gasoline taxes that the company collects from drivers and passes on to government coffers. It also includes payroll taxes the company pays on behalf of its employees.

The company is highlighting its overall tax contributions to make a point: It wants Americans to see just how much the company and its activities add to the overall tax rolls.

<snip>

Exxon's average effective U.S. income tax rate over the last six years is about 29%, according to the firm's security filings and an interview with a top Exxon tax lawyer. It's one of the highest rates for any industry.

Jeffers said the company highlighted its overall tax contributions because it's important for people to see just how much the firm and its activities add to the overall tax rolls.

Exxon's income tax rate is below the 35% rate mandated by corporate tax law, but it's widely believed most U.S. companies don't pay that rate thanks to generous loopholes in the tax code.

<snip>

Jeffers noted that Exxon's tax bill can fluctuate wildly from year to year. In 2008 the company paid over 35% of its profit to the government, while in 2009 it was near zero due to an overpayment from the year before. In 2010 it was about 18%.

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Led by President Obama and key Democratic lawmakers, Congress is pushing to eliminate $4 billion a year in tax breaks enjoyed by the oil industry. With gas at $4 a gallon, it's not a popular time for politicians to defend oil industry subsidies. Even some top Republicans have recently suggested they might support eliminating the breaks.

 

[code1211]

Yes WE taxpayers should own all power sources. Why?

Because it is you and me that guarantee construction costs and insurance. Construction costs are famous for their large cost over runs.

Bottom line: It is best for taxpayers and ratepayers to demand termination of all existing coal and nuke plants as both produce radioactive waste and cost billions to replace.

A combination of new energy sources would produce cleaner and more efficient energy. Additionally this combination would not only provide way more jobs throughout the states but also safer employment.

Benefits of a 20 Percent by 2020
National Renewable Electricity Standard

Job Creation - 355,000 new jobs—nearly twice as many as generating electricity from fossil fuels

Economic Development - $72.6 billion in new capital investment, $16.2 billion in income to farmers, ranchers, and rural landowners, and $5.0 billion in new local tax revenues

Consumer Savings - $49 billion in lower electricity and natural gas bills

Healthier Environment - Reductions of global warming pollution equal to taking nearly 71 million cars off the road, plus less haze, smog, acid rain, mercury contamination, and water use

Rebuilding economies:

The Plan:

Renewing America's Economy (2004) | Union of Concerned Scientists


Wind
How Wind Energy Works | Union of Concerned Scientists

Solar
How Solar Energy Works | Union of Concerned Scientists

Bio Mass
How Biomass Energy Works | Union of Concerned Scientists


Geo Thermal
How Geothermal Energy Works | Union of Concerned Scientists


Hydro Power
How Hydrokinetic Energy Works | Union of Concerned Scientists

Sign on to a budget that some democrats put forward in spite of the party of NO aka RINO repubs:

This is the only budget that does everything this country needs:
* Reduces Debt by $10 trillion
* Creates good-paying jobs
* Fully maintains our social safety net
* Invests in education
* Ends our costly wars
* Closes the tax loopholes that have made offshoring jobs profitable
* Ends oil and gas subsidies that pollute our country at taxpayer expense
* Creates a national infrastructure investment bank to help us make intelligent investments for the future
Congressional Progressive Caucus : The People's Budget

The math doesn't work.

If you use money from the government that it needs to get on loan from somewhere, that means the debt goes up and the group of campaniles the produce profits or people that have work will have to pony up more money.

When the technology becomes good enough to do this competively, the funding from the private sector will be plentiful and will be ample to drive the expansion you seek.

The fact that nobody who has to risk their own money is reluctant to do so proves that this is a pipe dream and another Liberal swindle to separate me from my money.

 

[code1211]

Who says cleaner energy sources is not viable? Of course it is.

Where does that nonsense come from?

Sure we need other sources for new jobs.... and that will come up soon enough.

Cleaner energy sources will provide new jobs in every state which is economic growth. Jobs is where economic growth comes from.

These jobs cannot be outsourced if we make it that way!

One of the many policies of the Big 0 that is slowing economic growth is his drive to increase the price of fossil fuel products. If the price of a gallon of gas was selling at less than $2.00 as opposed to the Obama driven more than $3.00, there would be an economic recovery just based on that.

Obama's whole energy program was based on the hope that the price of gas would be over $7.00/gallon.

Is that so? How does the president control the price of gasoline?

It's the investors that jack with the price of gasoline....

By penalizing those who want to drill in the Gulf, by opposing anything that might increase the flow of oil like the Keystone pipeline and advocating the implementation of the Carbon Credit Swindle.