A dialogue with Hamas

First of all, that's hardly the case when Abbas refused to negogiate with Israel while Israel is building settlements, and refused generous offers by Olmert. But more than that, why is someone who wants to make peace with Israel a traitor to the Arab people? That's the mindset that killed Sadat (and Rabin on the Israeli side)? This response by Sunni-Man shows why there will never be peace.

Abbas is willing to surrender to Israel and give away the right of his people.

Traitor fits.

And any Israeli willing to give up the West Bank is also called a traitor. This is exactly why there will never be peace. Neither side is willing to make compromises. I'm willing to bet, Mr. Tinmore, that you are not married if you don't know about compromise.
Do you think it would be easy to give up the West Bank? That is the heartland of the Jewish People, not Tel-Aviv. But many Israelis are willing to do that if it meant bringing peace to the region, and giving up the occupation. But once a Palestinian brings up the "right of return" (which Abbas hasn't given up yet), then Israelis think, "You see that? They haven't given up their dream of destroying Israel. A Palestine on the West Bank is just a first step in their ultimate plan." So realistically Mr. Tinmore, what do you want Israel to do? Commit suicide and give over their whole country to Hamas? And the Muslim fanatics that run Hamas would let their new country be run secularly, and not butcher the Jews? Is that what you really think, after what happened in Alexandria over the weekend?

So, you see both sides as unwilling to negotiate?

Continue discussing with PF ForeverYoung43. Let's see if your two sided approach gets you anywhere since you are clearly more willing than he is to discuss.

So, to your mind the Jews are intractable like this as well? "Both sides" you say and you do not qualify either side, thus giving the impression that both sides are equally to fault for the inability to negotiate. That's what I see ForeverYoung43, am I wrong here?

If that is the case, then I strongly disagree with you ForeverYoung43, and would like to see you get somewhere with PF as proof that Hamas is no more unwilling than Israel.

Are you no more unwilling than PF ForeverYoung43?
 
From my understanding the Israelis offered the Palestinians a good deal back than.

There is no good deal if you want it all High Gravity. As PF says and that IS the Hamas line.

There is NO Israel that is legal...

It is Palestine and they should fight until it is all Palestine again.

Negotiate? Hamas? Yeah, right.

Their negotiations come and we are ready....
 
From my understanding the Israelis offered the Palestinians a good deal back than.

There is no good deal if you want it all High Gravity. As PF says and that IS the Hamas line.

There is NO Israel that is legal...

It is Palestine and they should fight until it is all Palestine again.

Negotiate? Hamas? Yeah, right.

Their negotiations come and we are ready....

Well if Hamas is serious about wanting to be in politics it has to negociate otherwise its all a big joke, their just a terrorist group in sheeps clothing.
 
Look it up!
Of course, I did!
If Israel had any land there would be a border showing where that land was. Israel has no borders. It sits inside Palestine's borders.
If palestine® had any land, there would be a border, showing, where that land was, of course, together with a government of some sultan-sheik-mullah-prime-ministerial schmucks. None of that had been in existence. Palestine® is a figment of madrasized arab imagination, of course.
Palestine's borders were drawn up in 1922 and have not changed.
The now-defunct borders of the late British Palestine Mandate. British, not arab, or anyone else's, for that matter. If palestine® had any land, there would be a border, showing, where that land was, of course, together with a government of some sultan-sheik-mullah-prime-ministerial schmucks. None of that had been in existence. Palestine® is a figment of madrasized arab imagination, of course.
 
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs0xLdFqU_s[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H8HFb-YG00[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKeAVBYAbn0"]Hamas Spokesmen calls for genocide of all Jews [/ame]

We know ... and are ready ...
 
hezbollah_hamas_nazi_salute.jpg

More Hamas one state solutions? Sieg Akbar?
 
The Threat of the Human Shield Strategy Hamas Uses Extends Beyond Israel, Gaza;

There are over 50 Muslim countries in the world which consider themselves MUSLIM countries and treat their women, and non-Muslims as second class citizens. The Palestinians are not citizens of Israel and like every other country in the world, are not privileged to the same rights as are a country's citizens.

The Gaza Strip has been turned back to the people as Israel left it completely in 2005. Israel is under no obligation to allow a group of people who call for its destruction to use any part of Israel as a land route. Israel is not obligated under international law or any law for that matter to let a single Gazan step foot on Israeli soil. Almost every country in the world controls its borders, and Israel is no different. Israel is under no obligation to live up a higher standard than any other country in the world. The Palestinians want equality? Let them ask for peace and build a second Palestinian homeland run by Palestinians. The fact is that the Palestinians don't have a single person capable of creating and running and independent country. If you can name anyone who is up to the job, please name him or her. They can't stop killing each other and the mark of a beginning of humanistic civility is when people stop killing their own in power grabs.

Please also compare Israel and religious freedoms with 'any' of the Muslim countries, including Indonesia. To attack Israel as a suppressor of religious freedoms, when there is no Muslim country with anything half way close to the freedoms of Israel is the complete and utter proof of some form of insanity. Even the Arabians who are negotiating with the Jews don't believe such tripe.

Any bit of research will tell the truth. Yes, Israel has some fanatics, the more so for all the attacks the Arabians have promulgated from Israel's birth (Push them into the Sea) to the Hamas's Khartoum Accord Dictates (The Three No's.). All state their wish for the destruction of Israel. It is clear enough to me and you can be certain that any discussion of peace with twenty thousand Hezbollah on Israel's south borders is just not going to happen. We know the weapons against us and we know the targeting on the American bases in Afghanistan and Iraq as well as Saudi and Egypt. Yes, we know and it is certainly taken into account by a knowledgeable West.

Whilst Palestinian apologists continue this brinkmanship game, PF continues to demand massive deaths in the Middle East. If he had any idea of what Israel has in its defensive weaponry and IF he truly cared about lives in the ME, he would see that negotiation is the way to go and Arabian demanded intermediaries in the negotiating process is unworkable and be certain that the dynamics of negotiations will change if a war comes about. Be certain of that.

Israel has some of the worlds prized nuclear physicists, chemical engineers, etc. If this war comes, there will be a lot of mopping up for the US. They will create a far stronger hegemony when this is over.

This upcoming war never was about the Palestinians. They are no more than flotsam and jetsam in the bigger game called the middle eastern hegemony. Iraq attempted to break it. The terrorists attempted to break it and now Iran attempts to break it. Some think they will win. I do not.

* Read more about Gaza.
* Read more about Hamas.
* Read more about Israel.
* Read more about al Qaeda.
 
Oh, yes, we've seen Hamas's Dialogue. Here's a bit of their dialoguing with their young.







In its fight to defend itself against Hamas attacks against its civilians, Israel is faced with moral challenges unprecedented in their complexity. Hamas, as a basic element of its strategy, exploits the Palestinian population as shields for its terrorist operations and infrastructure. This cynical strategy include the following tactics:

- The deliberate launching of rocket from populated areas
- The deliberate use of civilian homes to shield Hamas arms and explosives manufacturing facilities
- The deliberate use of civilians as human shields against anticipated airstrikes

Click
 
Last edited by a moderator:

Forum List

Back
Top