A dialogue with Hamas

[P F Tinmore]

In early November 2010, Manuela Paraipan met with the Beirut-based Hamas leader Ousama Hamdan in Damascus. Delegated to speak on Hamas's behalf, in this extended two-part interview Hamdan engages in an in-depth discussion of the party's affairs, policies and interests. This dialogue follows Manuela Paraipan's recently published interview with Hamas leader Khaled Meshal and offers additional views and insights into Hamas's position and activities.

MP: What is Hamas policy, if any, regarding civilians? Are they a target for the militants?

Ousama Hamdan: In 2005, I challenged the Israelis to bring out the list with the people that were killed in Hamas operations and to identify the militants and the civilians. I said at the time that you will discover that more than 70 percent of them are militants.

In fact, Hamas did not work to target civilians. It is so simple if you want to do that. However, Hamas does not target schools, cinemas, hospitals, which the Israelis have done all the time.

The main question was about the settlers: are they civilians or not? According to the Geneva Accord they are not. Even according to the Israelis they are not.

In 2003 we went to Cairo. The Egyptians asked whether Hamas is ready to stop the martyrdom operations or not. We gave the Egyptians a better offer. We were ready to have an agreement to stop targeting civilians [on] both sides. The army is supposed to fight, but civilians should be out of it. The Egyptians agreed and passed it on to the Israelis.

Ariel Sharon sent Efraim Halevi, who was the head of Shin Bet at the time. The Egyptians, who were the mediators, negotiated with Halevi. When we reached the definition of civilians, we accepted the definition put forward by the Geneva Accord. The Israelis were surprised as they did not expect that. We said that the settlers are not civilians and the answer was, yes, they are not.

Halevi went back to Israel, but Sharon rejected the proposal. He said that he is not giving us the chance to kill his soldiers while his hands are tied behind the back because he retaliated against civilians.During the war in Gaza (2008 – 2009), in two specific events our militants captured Israeli militants and they were killed in both occasions by the Israelis.

A dialogue with Hamas - Part 1

A dialogue with Hamas - Part 2

 

[docmauser1]

In fact, Hamas did not work to target civilians. It is so simple if you want to do that. However, Hamas does not target schools, cinemas, hospitals, which the Israelis have done all the time.

Hamasistanians are galactically obsene liars, of course.

 

[georgephillip]

Are Israeli settlers civilians or militants?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Are Israeli settlers civilians or militants?

The main question was about the settlers: are they civilians or not? According to the Geneva Accord they are not. Even according to the Israelis they are not.

They are not civilians.

 

[Ropey]

I'd rather see Israel stay like this:

Than like this:

So, thanks but no thanks.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I'd rather see Israel stay like this:

Than like this:

So, thanks but no thanks.

Miss Palestine Competition

 

[P F Tinmore]

Are Israeli settlers civilians or militants?

The main question was about the settlers: are they civilians or not? According to the Geneva Accord they are not. Even according to the Israelis they are not.

They are not civilians.

Israeli settlers are necessary, integral, and active members of the occupation. There would be no Israel without them. They are not civilians.

What does this mean?

The Palestinians only attack settlers. Their attacks are not acts of terrorism, but are acts of self defense.

The whole "terrorism" thing is nothing more than political name calling.

 

[Ropey]

Oh, yes, the Pals are pretending to be what they are not to gain what they do not deserve.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Ousama Hamdan: This is a good point. Let me ask you a question, why is there a problem in the region? Because Israel is occupying Palestinian lands. Well, Israel can be satisfied with its relations with Europe, Africa, East and West, so why are they insisting to have the recognition of the Palestinians, especially from Hamas? [Because] they know that all of the above cannot turn them into a normal state if the Palestinians deny them that. We cannot accept anything less than to have our rights respected. What's the need to have good relations with Israel? The Saudis lived 60 years without it. Egypt has relations with Israel for 30 years. What was the benefit?

http://www.middleeastmonitor.org.uk/resources/interviews/1899-a-dialogue-with-hamaspart-2

 

[docmauser1]

Because Israel is occupying Palestinian lands.

Palestinian® lands and other Tales of Black Shawarma.

Well, Israel can be satisfied with its relations with Europe, Africa, East and West, so why are they insisting to have the recognition of the Palestinians, especially from Hamas?

Because the White House and euroschmucks want it in their peace smoking sessions. Simple, really.

[Because] they know that all of the above cannot turn them into a normal state if the Palestinians deny them that.

Funny, every palestinian® thug thinks he's as important, as the saudi king. It's obvious, modesty applies only to their fems.

We cannot accept anything less than to have our rights respected.

Always excuses to hide a fact that, palestinians® are other arabs from the same general hood, who are in deep denial about never being able to accomplish anything in life and would rather wrap themselves in the seductive melodrama of eternal struggle and death.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Because Israel is occupying Palestinian lands.

Palestinian® lands and other Tales of Black Shawarma.

Well, Israel can be satisfied with its relations with Europe, Africa, East and West, so why are they insisting to have the recognition of the Palestinians, especially from Hamas?

Because the White House and euroschmucks want it in their peace smoking sessions. Simple, really.

[Because] they know that all of the above cannot turn them into a normal state if the Palestinians deny them that.

Funny, every palestinian® thug thinks he's as important, as the saudi king. It's obvious, modesty applies only to their fems.

We cannot accept anything less than to have our rights respected.

Always excuses to hide a fact that, palestinians® are other arabs from the same general hood, who are in deep denial about never being able to accomplish anything in life and would rather wrap themselves in the seductive melodrama of eternal struggle and death.

Borders cannot legally be changed unilaterally. All the land that is Israel is inside Palestine's borders. Until such time as Palestine changes its borders, Israel has no land.

That is why the borders of the "new Palestinian state" is an issue. That is to make room for Israel.

 

[docmauser1]

Borders cannot legally be changed unilaterally. All the land that is Israel is inside Palestine's borders. Until such time as Palestine changes its borders, Israel has no land.

In madrasa theory, of course, - they're still stuck in an entity, that ceased to exist in 1948.

That is why the borders of the "new Palestinian state" is an issue. That is to make room for Israel.

Palestinians® aren't madrasa space cadets for nothing, of course.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Borders cannot legally be changed unilaterally. All the land that is Israel is inside Palestine's borders. Until such time as Palestine changes its borders, Israel has no land.

In madrasa theory, of course, - they're still stuck in an entity, that ceased to exist in 1948.

That is why the borders of the "new Palestinian state" is an issue. That is to make room for Israel.

Palestinians® aren't madrasa space cadets for nothing, of course.

Look it up!

If Israel had any land there would be a border showing where that land was. Israel has no borders. It sits inside Palestine's borders.

 

[docmauser1]

Borders cannot legally be changed unilaterally. All the land that is Israel is inside Palestine's borders. Until such time as Palestine changes its borders, Israel has no land.

In madrasa theory, of course, - they're still stuck in an entity, that ceased to exist in 1948.

That is why the borders of the "new Palestinian state" is an issue. That is to make room for Israel.

Palestinians® aren't madrasa space cadets for nothing, of course.

Look it up!

Of course, I did!

If Israel had any land there would be a border showing where that land was. Israel has no borders. It sits inside Palestine's borders.

If palestine® had any land, there would be a border, showing, where that land was, of course, together with a government of some sultan-sheik-mullah-prime-ministerial schmucks. None of that had been in existence. Palestine® is a figment of madrasized arab imagination, of course.

 

[P F Tinmore]

In madrasa theory, of course, - they're still stuck in an entity, that ceased to exist in 1948.Palestinians® aren't madrasa space cadets for nothing, of course.

Look it up!

Of course, I did!

If Israel had any land there would be a border showing where that land was. Israel has no borders. It sits inside Palestine's borders.

If palestine® had any land, there would be a border, showing, where that land was, of course, together with a government of some sultan-sheik-mullah-prime-ministerial schmucks. None of that had been in existence. Palestine® is a figment of madrasized arab imagination, of course.

Palestine's borders were drawn up in 1922 and have not changed.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Look it up!

Of course, I did!

If Israel had any land there would be a border showing where that land was. Israel has no borders. It sits inside Palestine's borders.

If palestine® had any land, there would be a border, showing, where that land was, of course, together with a government of some sultan-sheik-mullah-prime-ministerial schmucks. None of that had been in existence. Palestine® is a figment of madrasized arab imagination, of course.

Palestine's borders were drawn up in 1922 and have not changed.

It's true the 1949 armistice lines are not actual borders. It's the P.L.O. that keeps insisting they are sacrosant, and must not be adjusted at all.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Of course, I did!If palestine® had any land, there would be a border, showing, where that land was, of course, together with a government of some sultan-sheik-mullah-prime-ministerial schmucks. None of that had been in existence. Palestine® is a figment of madrasized arab imagination, of course.

Palestine's borders were drawn up in 1922 and have not changed.

It's true the 1949 armistice lines are not actual borders. It's the P.L.O. that keeps insisting they are sacrosant, and must not be adjusted at all.

The PLO sold out to Israel in the '90s.

They are what is known as the "Oslo people."

 

[High_Gravity]

Palestine's borders were drawn up in 1922 and have not changed.

It's true the 1949 armistice lines are not actual borders. It's the P.L.O. that keeps insisting they are sacrosant, and must not be adjusted at all.

The PLO sold out to Israel in the '90s.

They are what is known as the "Oslo people."

How did they sell out?

 

[Ropey]

It's true the 1949 armistice lines are not actual borders. It's the P.L.O. that keeps insisting they are sacrosant, and must not be adjusted at all.

The PLO sold out to Israel in the '90s.

They are what is known as the "Oslo people."

How did they sell out?

PF wants the destruction of Israel. For PF there is no Israel. So, by extension, anyone who furthers an Israel, even by negotiation is an enemy.

Thus, to PF, the PLO and Fatah are enemies of Hamas if they or anyone else negotiates with Israel.

Simply to negotiate with Israel is an act of war on Islam as far as Hamas is concerned.

PF follows the Hamas line...

So, it comes....

 

[High_Gravity]

The PLO sold out to Israel in the '90s.

They are what is known as the "Oslo people."

How did they sell out?

PF wants the destruction of Israel. For PF there is no Israel. So, by extension, anyone who furthers an Israel, even by negotiation is an enemy.

Thus, to PF, the PLO and Fatah are enemies of Hamas if they or anyone else negotiates with Israel.

Simply to negotiate with Israel is an act of war on Islam as far as Hamas is concerned.

PF follows the Hamas line...

So, it comes....

If all the PLO did was negociate with Israel they are a step ahead of Hamas and Hezbollah in my book. How can you resolve anything if you refuse to recognize the other sides right to exist?