A Dark Day In U.S. History

[Unkotare]

Happy Birthday Woodrow.....one of our first modern presidents

The fact that Conservatives hate him so much shows that he did something right


Oh yea.......He won a Nobel Peace Prize and Conservatives say it wasn't deserved

Where have I heard that one before?

You probably heard it in regards to someone who was given a Nobel Peace Prize they in no way deserved.

Let's see.....

Woodrow Wilson won the Nobel Peace Prize and Conservatives say he didn't deserve it
Martin Luther King won the Nobel Peace Prize and Conservatives say he didn't deserve it
Jimmy Carter won the Nobel Peace Prize and Conservatives said he didn't deserve it
Al Gore won the Nobel Peace Prize and Conservatives said he didn't deserve it
Barack Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize and Conservatives said he didn't deserve it

Do I detect a trend?

What prominent conservatives claimed King and Carter did not deserve it?

 

[rightwinger]

You probably heard it in regards to someone who was given a Nobel Peace Prize they in no way deserved.

Let's see.....

Woodrow Wilson won the Nobel Peace Prize and Conservatives say he didn't deserve it
Martin Luther King won the Nobel Peace Prize and Conservatives say he didn't deserve it
Jimmy Carter won the Nobel Peace Prize and Conservatives said he didn't deserve it
Al Gore won the Nobel Peace Prize and Conservatives said he didn't deserve it
Barack Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize and Conservatives said he didn't deserve it

Do I detect a trend?

What prominent conservatives claimed King and Carter did not deserve it?

From the National Review....a prominent Conservative magazine shortly after MLK won his Peace Prize

. "For years now, the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King and his associates have been deliberately undermining the foundations of internal order in this country. With their rabble-rousing demagoguery, they have been cracking the “cake of custom” that holds us together. With their doctrine of “civil disobedience,” they have been teaching hundreds of thousands of Negroes — particularly the adolescents and the children — that it is perfectly alright to break the law and defy constituted authority if you are a Negro-with-a-grievance; in protest against injustice. And they have done more than talk. They have on occasion after occasion, in almost every part of the country, called out their mobs on the streets, promoted “school strikes,” sit-ins, lie-ins, in explicit violation of the law and in explicit defiance of the public authority. They have taught anarchy and chaos by word and deed — and, no doubt, with the best of intentions — and they have found apt pupils everywhere, with intentions not of the best. Sow the wind, and reap the whirlwind."

Will Herberg, "’Civil Rights’ and Violence: Who Are the Guilty Ones?", The National Review Sept. 7th, 1965

 

[Unkotare]

Looking for the names of prominent individuals, not a magazine.

 

[rightwinger]

Woodrow Wilson is universally acknowledged as one of our ten greatest Presidents. With the exception of rightwing revisionists who actually honor presidential failures like Harding, Coolege and Hoover.......Wilson is acknowledged as a truly great President

"universally acknowledged"? Do you even know what that means?


Harding won with 60% of the popular vote, known for bipartisanship, reduced taxes from their wartime high (and in fact reduced income taxes for ALL Americans), and stimulated economic growth that reversed the negative trend brought on by Wilson. He also worked to reverse the despicable institutionalized racism fostered by Wilson. He called for a federal anti-lynching law, and proposed an interracial commission to foster better relations between races. In a complete turnaround from Wilson's segregation, Harding encouraged his cabinet members to appoint qualified blacks to their departments, and spoke out forcefully against the (democrat) KKK.

All in just two and a half years.

A copulation of surveys of historians through the years ranks Woodrow Wilson as our sixth greatest president, while your Mr Harding ranks 43

Historical rankings of Presidents of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Unkotare]

Woodrow Wilson is universally acknowledged as one of our ten greatest Presidents. With the exception of rightwing revisionists who actually honor presidential failures like Harding, Coolege and Hoover.......Wilson is acknowledged as a truly great President

"universally acknowledged"? Do you even know what that means?


Harding won with 60% of the popular vote, known for bipartisanship, reduced taxes from their wartime high (and in fact reduced income taxes for ALL Americans), and stimulated economic growth that reversed the negative trend brought on by Wilson. He also worked to reverse the despicable institutionalized racism fostered by Wilson. He called for a federal anti-lynching law, and proposed an interracial commission to foster better relations between races. In a complete turnaround from Wilson's segregation, Harding encouraged his cabinet members to appoint qualified blacks to their departments, and spoke out forcefully against the (democrat) KKK.

All in just two and a half years.

A copulation of surveys of historians through the years ranks Woodrow Wilson as our sixth greatest president, while your Mr Harding ranks 43

Historical rankings of Presidents of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wow, a wikipedia list of opinions from a bunch of lefties. What a surprise that they would so admire fucking racists like Wilson and FDR, and so many other democrats.

 

[rightwinger]

"universally acknowledged"? Do you even know what that means?


Harding won with 60% of the popular vote, known for bipartisanship, reduced taxes from their wartime high (and in fact reduced income taxes for ALL Americans), and stimulated economic growth that reversed the negative trend brought on by Wilson. He also worked to reverse the despicable institutionalized racism fostered by Wilson. He called for a federal anti-lynching law, and proposed an interracial commission to foster better relations between races. In a complete turnaround from Wilson's segregation, Harding encouraged his cabinet members to appoint qualified blacks to their departments, and spoke out forcefully against the (democrat) KKK.

All in just two and a half years.

A copulation of surveys of historians through the years ranks Woodrow Wilson as our sixth greatest president, while your Mr Harding ranks 43

Historical rankings of Presidents of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wow, a wikipedia list of opinions from a bunch of lefties. What a surprise that they would so admire fucking racists like Wilson and FDR, and so many other democrats.

Even conservatives in that survey rated Wilson in the top 10

Only those rewriting history for a rightwing agenda do not recognize his greatness

 

[Samson]

Woodrow Wilson is universally acknowledged as one of our ten greatest Presidents. With the exception of rightwing revisionists who actually honor presidential failures like Harding, Coolege and Hoover.......Wilson is acknowledged as a truly great President

Is that him on the Dime?

No...He is on the $100,000 bill

Obama will make him famous

 

[Unkotare]

A copulation of surveys of historians through the years ranks Woodrow Wilson as our sixth greatest president, while your Mr Harding ranks 43

Historical rankings of Presidents of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wow, a wikipedia list of opinions from a bunch of lefties. What a surprise that they would so admire fucking racists like Wilson and FDR, and so many other democrats.

Even conservatives in that survey rated Wilson in the top 10

Only those rewriting history for a rightwing agenda do not recognize his greatness

I see lots of insisting and 0 supporting.

 

[Dragon]

FDR's policies created a fully functioning middle class, where there was none.

LOL

Yeah 20% average unemployment from the start of his Failed Presidency until Hitler conquered France is how you have a "fully functioning middle class"

You're mental

CrusaderFrank is a liar.

 

[Sunni Man]

"The Birth of a Nation" was the first motion picture to ever be shown at the White House.

President Woodrow Wilson said the film was: "like writing history with lightning. And my only regret is that it is all so terribly true."

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k57rt58vUYw]The Birth of a Nation, D. W. Griffith, 1915 - YouTube[/ame]

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Oh, brother – the Wilson boogeyman, an ignorant myth of the right created by Glenn Beck and Jonah Goldberg.

Hating Woodrow Wilson

The new and confused attacks on progressivism.

Of all the eccentricities of today's resurgent right, one of the strangest has to be the virulent, obsessive hatred of Woodrow Wilson.

Thanks largely to Glenn Beck, who in turn seems to have been influenced by a tiny cluster of academics at conservative outposts like Hillsdale College, Wilson has emerged as the Tea Party's No. 1 "President You Need to Hate," as he's described on the "Beck University" Web site, the talk-show host's repository of baroque counter-histories. Lambasting Wilson has become, according to Mark Leibovich of the New York Times, "a secret handshake among Beck followers." * The craggy-faced Virginian who became a leading political scientist and university president; the celebrated governor of New Jersey who, as president, led the nation to victory in World War I, is faulted for the income tax, the Federal Reserve, bureaucrats, socialists, eugenics, and even the rise of Nazism.

Of course, even those who happily admit to wanting to repeal a century's worth of regulation have to reckon with a fundamental flaw in today's Wilson hatred: It's completely ahistorical. The right's habit is to view Wilson through the lens of today's politics—to blame his commitment to a Federal Reserve Bank, for example, for giving us Ben Bernanke's decisions, or to equate Wilson's "progressivism" with the left-wing views of today's self-described progressives. But the Federal Reserve and the meaning of the word progressive—and so much else about American life—have changed dramatically since Wilson's day. Which is why you have to look at political figures in the context of their times: What problems did they face? What alternative paths were available to them? What did they and their contemporaries think they were up to?

What the new Woodrow Wilson haters don't understand. - Slate Magazine

 

[Intense]

In 1912 you had the progressive bull moose, the populist Democrats and the corporate republicans. Taft came third.

Third parties.

Imagine if Teddy didn't have a fit about Taft's methods...we might have avoided the venom of the Wilson administration.
Taft was a stickler for the law...the Constitution might not have been attcked so violently until FDR.....

Then there wa Perot.....

I view Hamilton as the first Statist Progressive Totalitarian Fuck, of course that wasn't exposed until after ratification.

 

[rightwinger]

It was the first motion picture to be shown at the White House. President Woodrow Wilson said the film was "... like writing history with lightning. And my only regret is that it is all so terribly true."

The Birth of a Nation, D. W. Griffith, 1915 - YouTube

Yea...and a lot of Americans liked that movie in 1915

Can you point to some GOP outrage over A Birth of a Nation?

 

[Dragon]

Can you point to some GOP outrage over A Birth of a Nation?

There was certainly plenty of outrage, and at that time if politicians were going to express criticism of a racist film like that one, most likely they would have been Republicans. Remember, in those days the parties had roles on civil rights exactly reverse from the ones they hold today.

 

[Intense]

Can you point to some GOP outrage over A Birth of a Nation?

There was certainly plenty of outrage, and at that time if politicians were going to express criticism of a racist film like that one, most likely they would have been Republicans. Remember, in those days the parties had roles on civil rights exactly reverse from the ones they hold today.

Only in your imagination. Unless, you think living within your means is Racist?

 

[Dragon]

Only in your imagination. Unless, you think living within your means is Racist?

I think that being forced to live within your means while your means are kept down on a disproportionately racial basis is, yes.

I mean exactly what I said. The Republican Party from the time of Lincoln through the time of Nixon was in the forefront on issues of civil rights. It was the Democrats, trying to hold onto the white Southern vote, that were most often opposed. In 1964, the Civil Rights Act passed with the votes of 60-some percent of Democrats in Congress -- and 80-some percent of Republicans. (The most accurate of the indictments of Wilson in the OP is that he was a racist. True; at that time, most southern Democrats were.)

If we still had THAT GOP, they would be out in front in efforts to recognize and correct the lingering effects of slavery and segregation that result in blacks showing higher levels of poverty, incarceration, and other problems than whites. Maybe they wouldn't be using the exact came methods as the Democrats propose and implement, but at present they are ignoring the problem or else using it as a subtle means of appealing to white racists for their votes.

It all started with the Civil Rights Act, at which time Democrats decided to finally jettison the white South, or as Johnson put it, hand it over to the Republicans for a generation. The problem for the GOP is that nothing comes without a price. In appealing to the white Southern vote so as to take it from the Democrats, the Republicans had to abandon political positions that had been central to the party from its founding.

Here's the result:

File:ElectoralCollege1920.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ElectoralCollege2008.svg

In 1920, Warren Harding did not win a single Southern state except for Tennessee, but won the entire Northeast, upper Midwest, and West Coast, as well as the mountain states.

In 2008, while Obama did a little better in the South than Cox did in 1920, McCain still won the region overall -- while losing the entire Northeast, upper Midwest, and West Coast.

Where the GOP was once weak, it is now strong. Where it was once strong, except for the mountain states, it is now weak. And the main reason for this, is the party's reversal of its traditions on civil rights and racial equality.

 

[rightwinger]

Can you point to some GOP outrage over A Birth of a Nation?

There was certainly plenty of outrage, and at that time if politicians were going to express criticism of a racist film like that one, most likely they would have been Republicans. Remember, in those days the parties had roles on civil rights exactly reverse from the ones they hold today.

At the time, Birth of a Nation was looked at as a masterpiece. I remember lists of greatest American films that came out in the 60s having Birth of a Nation in the top ten. It didn't become politically incorrect until the 70s

 

[Truthseeker420]

The biggest assult of the Constitution came from and during the Bush Administration and the so called conservative Republican controlled Congress and Supreme Court.

 

[whitehall]

Left wing hypocritical presidents always get a break. Wilson was elected on a platform of peace and neutrality. He looked American women in the eye and said he would never send their sons to fight in a foreign war. A year later the Doughboys were sent to Europe to fight and die to save France from the Hun. We lost about 200,000 Americans and a couple of decades later we had to do it all over during another liberal hypocrite administration.

 

[Dragon]

At the time, Birth of a Nation was looked at as a masterpiece. I remember lists of greatest American films that came out in the 60s having Birth of a Nation in the top ten. It didn't become politically incorrect until the 70s

The Birth of a Nation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), founded in 1909, protested premieres of the film in numerous cities. It also conducted a public education campaign, publishing articles protesting the film's fabrications and inaccuracies, organizing petitions against it, and conducting education on the facts of the war and Reconstruction.[13]

"When the film was shown, riots broke out in Boston, Philadelphia and other major cities. The cities of Chicago; Denver; Kansas City, Missouri; Minneapolis; Pittsburgh; and St. Louis, Missouri refused to allow the film to open. The film's inflammatory character was a catalyst for gangs of whites to attack blacks. In Lafayette, Indiana, after seeing the movie, a white man murdered a black teenager.

"Historians believe the quote attributed to Wilson originated with Dixon, who was relentless in publicizing the film. It has been repeated so often in print that it has taken on a separate life. Dixon went so far as to promote the film as "Federally endorsed". After controversy over the film had grown, Wilson wrote that he disapproved of the "unfortunate production."