A Dark Day In U.S. History

[PoliticalChic]

1. Today, December 28, is the anniversary of the birth of Woodrow Wilson, (1856).

Woodrow Wilson born in Staunton, Va. He was the 28th President (1913- 1921). Like Lincoln, Wilson was elected with less than a majority of the popular vote. He was the most highly educated man ever to become president, having received more than a dozen college degrees, the first President to study socialism.

2. He went before Congress to ask that the nation’s banking and currency laws be controlled by the government. The result was the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. Wilson was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1920 for his support of the League of Nations. During Wilson’s presidency, three amendments to the Constitution were proclaimed: 17th, 18th, and 19th. Wilson died 2/3/1924

3. This, the first progressive President, began an assault on the Constitution that continues unabated to this day.
Wilson wrote in “The State,” 1889, that "Government does now whatever experience permits or the times demand." His writings attack the Constitution, and the ideas of natural and individual rights. Along with Frank J. Goodnow, they pioneered the concept of the ‘administrative state,’ which separated the administration of government from the limitations of constitutional government. American progressivism: a reader - Ronald J. Pestritto, William J. Atto - Google Books

He instituted segregation in the federal government, and removed blacks from civil service positions.

a. And, this echo in Wilson: “No doubt a lot of nonsense has been talked about the inalienable rights of the individual, and a great deal that was mere vague sentiment and pleasing speculation has been put forward as fundamental principle.” Woodrow Wilson: ‘Men are as clay in the hands of a consummate leader.

4. A new kind of government was established in the in the United States under the 20th century’s first fascist dictator: Woodrow Wilson. During WW I, under the Progressive Woodrow Wilson, American was a fascist nation.

a. Had the world’s first modern propaganda ministry
b. Political prisoners by the thousands were harassed, beaten, spied upon and thrown in jail for simply expressing private opinions.
c. The national leader accused foreigners and immigrants of injecting treasonous ‘poison’ into the American bloodstream
d. Newspapers and magazines were closed for criticizing the government
e. Almost 100,000 government propaganda agents were sent out to whip up support for the regime and the war
f. College professors imposed loyalty oaths on their colleagues
g. Nearly a quarter million ‘goons’ were given legal authority to beat and intimidate ‘slackers’ and dissenters
h. Leading artists and writers dedicated their work to proselytizing for the government.
http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/Classical_Liberalism_vs_Modern_Liberal_Conservatism.pdf p. 9


5. Democrats (Progressives) were thoroughly rejected by the voters in the election of 1920:
“The United States presidential election of 1920 was dominated by the aftermath of World War I and the hostile reaction to Woodrow Wilson, the Democratic president. Harding's victory remains the largest popular-vote percentage margin (60.3% to 34.1%) in Presidential elections after the so-called "Era of Good Feelings" ended with the victory of James Monroe in the election of 1820. ” United States presidential election, 1920 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

“In the 1920 election, he and his running-mate, Calvin Coolidge, defeated Democrat and fellow Ohioan James M. Cox, in what was then the largest presidential popular vote landslide in American history since the popular vote tally began to be recorded in 1824: 60.36% to 34.19%.”Warren G. Harding - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Baruch Menachem]

In 1912 you had the progressive bull moose, the populist Democrats and the corporate republicans. Taft came third.

 

[PoliticalChic]

In 1912 you had the progressive bull moose, the populist Democrats and the corporate republicans. Taft came third.

Third parties.

Imagine if Teddy didn't have a fit about Taft's methods...we might have avoided the venom of the Wilson administration.
Taft was a stickler for the law...the Constitution might not have been attcked so violently until FDR.....

Then there wa Perot.....

 

[whitehall]

It is rumored that Wilson's wife ran the government after Woodie's stroke.

 

[Dragon]

Woodrow Wilson born in Staunton, Va. He was the 28th President (1913- 1921). Like Lincoln, Wilson was elected with less than a majority of the popular vote.

And for the same reason. As was Bill Clinton in 1992. But at least Lincoln, Wilson, and Clinton were elected with a plurality of the popular vote, i.e., each got more than any of their opponents. Benjamin Harrison and George W. Bush (in 2000)
didn't even have that.

He was the most highly educated man ever to become president, having received more than a dozen college degrees, the first President to study socialism.

I seriously doubt that, given Theodore Roosevelt's voracious and inquisitive mind, and the fact that he implemented socialist-leaning reforms on the capitalist economy (and advocated others) before Wilson was elected.

2. He went before Congress to ask that the nation’s banking and currency laws be controlled by the government. The result was the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. Wilson was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1920 for his support of the League of Nations. During Wilson’s presidency, three amendments to the Constitution were proclaimed: 17th, 18th, and 19th.

While all this is of course true, where are you going with it? Oh, wait, you (or whoever wrote this -- you're cutting and pasting as usual, of course) say so.

3. This, the first progressive President, began an assault on the Constitution that continues unabated to this day.

Horseshit. He was not the first progressive president, T.R. was. And he did not assault the Constitution in any way, nor did you present a single example of him doing so. The Federal Reserve and the League of Nations were not unconstitutional in any way, and of course amending the Constitution can never be unconstitutional. Incidentally, the 17th amendment was for direct election of Senators and the 19th was the women's suffrage amendment, both of which were very positive and advanced democracy. (I would agree that we could have done without the 18th, Prohibition, however.)

He instituted segregation in the federal government, and removed blacks from civil service positions.

True, and deplorable, but hardly unconstitutional. (He was a Southern Democrat, after all. What can one expect?)

4. A new kind of government was established in the in the United States under the 20th century’s first fascist dictator: Woodrow Wilson. During WW I, under the Progressive Woodrow Wilson, American was a fascist nation.

Ridiculous hyperbole. If Wilson's use of the Sedition Act is hardly to be commended, it was also hardly the first time; try John Adams. And in any case, there is no such thing as a fascist state that holds regular free elections.

While I'm on the subject, one of the principle victims of Wilson's abuse of power during the war was Socialist Party leader Eugene V. Debs:

Eugene V. Debs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Debs' speeches against the Wilson administration and the war earned the undying enmity of President Woodrow Wilson, who later called Debs a "traitor to his country."[33] On June 16, 1918, Debs made a speech in Canton, Ohio, urging resistance to the military draft of World War I. He was arrested on June 30 and charged with 10 counts of sedition. His trial defense called no witnesses, asking instead that Debs be allowed to address the court in his defense. That unusual request was granted, and Debs spoke for 2 hours. He was found guilty on September 12. At his sentencing hearing on September 14, he again addressed the court, and his speech has become a classic. Heywood Broun, a liberal journalist and not a Debs partisan, said it was "one of the most beautiful and moving passage in the English language. He was for that one afternoon touched with inspiration. If anyone told me that tongues of fire danced upon his shoulders as he spoke, I would believe it."[34]

He said in part:[35]

Your honor, I have stated in this court that I am opposed to the form of our present government; that I am opposed to the social system in which we live; that I believe in the change of both but by perfectly peaceable and orderly means....

I am thinking this morning of the men in the mills and factories; I am thinking of the women who, for a paltry wage, are compelled to work out their lives; of the little children who, in this system, are robbed of their childhood, and in their early, tender years, are seized in the remorseless grasp of Mammon, and forced into the industrial dungeons, there to feed the machines while they themselves are being starved body and soul....

Your honor, I ask no mercy, I plead for no immunity. I realize that finally the right must prevail. I never more fully comprehended than now the great struggle between the powers of greed on the one hand and upon the other the rising hosts of freedom. I can see the dawn of a better day of humanity. The people are awakening. In due course of time they will come into their own.

When the mariner, sailing over tropic seas, looks for relief from his weary watch, he turns his eyes toward the Southern Cross, burning luridly above the tempest-vexed ocean. As the midnight approaches the Southern Cross begins to bend, and the whirling worlds change their places, and with starry finger-points the Almighty marks the passage of Time upon the dial of the universe; and though no bell may beat the glad tidings, the look-out knows that the midnight is passing – that relief and rest are close at hand.

Let the people take heart and hope everywhere, for the cross is bending, midnight is passing, and joy cometh with the morning.

Debs was sentenced on November 18, 1918 to ten years in prison. He was also disenfranchised for life.[1] Debs presented what has been called his best-remembered statement at his sentencing hearing:[36]

Your Honor, years ago I recognized my kinship with all living beings, and I made up my mind that I was not one bit better than the meanest on earth. I said then, and I say now, that while there is a lower class, I am in it, and while there is a criminal element I am of it, and while there is a soul in prison, I am not free.

So while Wilson may have studied socialism, he was certainly not its friend.

Democrats (Progressives) were thoroughly rejected by the voters in the election of 1920

True, and also 1924. But not in 1928, because Herbert Hoover was in many ways a progressive himself (the term "progressive Republican" was not an oxymoron then). And certainly not in 1932. This happens. It's called politics.

 

[Mr. President]

I call this Smart Ass Answers for a Dumb Ass Post


a. Had the world’s first modern propaganda ministry

Are you sure about this? I mean really really sure?

b. Political prisoners by the thousands were harassed, beaten, spied upon and thrown in jail for simply expressing private opinions.

Might want to look at how congress beefed up the Sedition Act before you go blamin it all on woody willy.

c. The national leader accused foreigners and immigrants of injecting treasonous ‘poison’ into the American bloodstream

Those accusations have been echoed by you on more than one occasion I do believe? Illegal Immigration for 300 Alex

d. Newspapers and magazines were closed for criticizing the government

Lawfully so. I direct your attention to the aforementioned Sedition Act which allowed the government to lay the smack down on those tree huggin newspapers. Is that an oxymoron? "yeah I left myself open for a moron joke but now if you try it, it just wont be as funny"

e. Almost 100,000 government propaganda agents were sent out to whip up support for the regime and the war

They are called MEDIA duh

f. College professors imposed loyalty oaths on their colleagues

Damn loyalty another one of those pesky values.

g. Nearly a quarter million ‘goons’ were given legal authority to beat and intimidate ‘slackers’ and dissenters

Yeah they went Rodney King on them hoes

h. Leading artists and writers dedicated their work to proselytizing for the government.

I bet they got paid for it too

 

[Unkotare]

And then FDR came along and proved he could be worse and more dangerous than all of them.

 

[Sallow]

FDR's policies created a fully functioning middle class, where there was none.

 

[Unkotare]

FDR was a criminal and the closest thing to an actual dictator we've ever had in this country. His stupid ideas not only prolonged the Great Depression, but they continue to be an anchor to growth, prosperity, and opportunity in this country to this day.

 

[Sallow]

 

[code1211]

FDR's policies created a fully functioning middle class, where there was none.

There was a functioning middle class after 1900. It was largely damaged by the Great Depression and the that was not ended by FDR unless you stipulate that FDR started WW2.

 

[Unkotare]

Executive Order 9066

 

[Unkotare]

Undermining the Constitution - A History of Lawless Government, by Thomas James Norton - Chapter XII

 

[Sallow]

FDR's policies created a fully functioning middle class, where there was none.

There was a functioning middle class after 1900. It was largely damaged by the Great Depression and the that was not ended by FDR unless you stipulate that FDR started WW2.

No there wasn't. The United States resembled an emerging third world country around that time..with a huge gulf between rich and poor. The Great Depression destroyed the tenuous grasp most people had on just existing. We had the same sort of calamity happen as a result of Bush. But the major difference was that social programs staggered to blow to everyone not super wealthy.

 

[del]

FDR's policies created a fully functioning middle class, where there was none.

There was a functioning middle class after 1900. It was largely damaged by the Great Depression and the that was not ended by FDR unless you stipulate that FDR started WW2.

No there wasn't. The United States resembled an emerging third world country around that time..with a huge gulf between rich and poor. The Great Depression destroyed the tenuous grasp most people had on just existing. We had the same sort of calamity happen as a result of Bush. But the major difference was that social programs staggered to blow to everyone not super wealthy.

 

[editec]

Its just a damned shame tht Wilson was so sick when the peace was made.

Had he been on top of things England France probably would not have been able to run roughshod over the treaty and Germany probably would not have ended up relaunching the war (in 39) under Hitler.

The German people truly were "stabbed in the back" after WWI, ya know.

 

[Unkotare]

FDR's court packing plan threatened to rewrite the Constitution itself in fundamental ways.

 

[Sallow]

There was a functioning middle class after 1900. It was largely damaged by the Great Depression and the that was not ended by FDR unless you stipulate that FDR started WW2.

No there wasn't. The United States resembled an emerging third world country around that time..with a huge gulf between rich and poor. The Great Depression destroyed the tenuous grasp most people had on just existing. We had the same sort of calamity happen as a result of Bush. But the major difference was that social programs staggered to blow to everyone not super wealthy.

See any bread lines?

 

[Unkotare]

FDR's policies didn't "create a middle class," they created the permanent underclass of dependency and entitlement that democrats depend upon to this day.

 

[Sunni Man]

But the major difference was that social programs staggered to blow to everyone not super wealthy.

Care to translate this sentence for everyone on the board??