A Dark Day In U.S. History

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    1. Today, December 28, is the anniversary of the birth of Woodrow Wilson, (1856).

    Woodrow Wilson born in Staunton, Va. He was the 28th President (1913- 1921). Like Lincoln, Wilson was elected with less than a majority of the popular vote. He was the most highly educated man ever to become president, having received more than a dozen college degrees, the first President to study socialism.

    2. He went before Congress to ask that the nation’s banking and currency laws be controlled by the government. The result was the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. Wilson was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1920 for his support of the League of Nations. During Wilson’s presidency, three amendments to the Constitution were proclaimed: 17th, 18th, and 19th. Wilson died 2/3/1924

    3. This, the first progressive President, began an assault on the Constitution that continues unabated to this day.
    Wilson wrote in “The State,” 1889, that "Government does now whatever experience permits or the times demand." His writings attack the Constitution, and the ideas of natural and individual rights. Along with Frank J. Goodnow, they pioneered the concept of the ‘administrative state,’ which separated the administration of government from the limitations of constitutional government. American progressivism: a reader - Ronald J. Pestritto, William J. Atto - Google Books

    He instituted segregation in the federal government, and removed blacks from civil service positions.

    a. And, this echo in Wilson: “No doubt a lot of nonsense has been talked about the inalienable rights of the individual, and a great deal that was mere vague sentiment and pleasing speculation has been put forward as fundamental principle.” Woodrow Wilson: ‘Men are as clay in the hands of a consummate leader.

    4. A new kind of government was established in the in the United States under the 20th century’s first fascist dictator: Woodrow Wilson. During WW I, under the Progressive Woodrow Wilson, American was a fascist nation.

    a. Had the world’s first modern propaganda ministry
    b. Political prisoners by the thousands were harassed, beaten, spied upon and thrown in jail for simply expressing private opinions.
    c. The national leader accused foreigners and immigrants of injecting treasonous ‘poison’ into the American bloodstream
    d. Newspapers and magazines were closed for criticizing the government
    e. Almost 100,000 government propaganda agents were sent out to whip up support for the regime and the war
    f. College professors imposed loyalty oaths on their colleagues
    g. Nearly a quarter million ‘goons’ were given legal authority to beat and intimidate ‘slackers’ and dissenters
    h. Leading artists and writers dedicated their work to proselytizing for the government.
    http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/Classical_Liberalism_vs_Modern_Liberal_Conservatism.pdf p. 9


    5. Democrats (Progressives) were thoroughly rejected by the voters in the election of 1920:
    “The United States presidential election of 1920 was dominated by the aftermath of World War I and the hostile reaction to Woodrow Wilson, the Democratic president. Harding's victory remains the largest popular-vote percentage margin (60.3% to 34.1%) in Presidential elections after the so-called "Era of Good Feelings" ended with the victory of James Monroe in the election of 1820. ” United States presidential election, 1920 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    “In the 1920 election, he and his running-mate, Calvin Coolidge, defeated Democrat and fellow Ohioan James M. Cox, in what was then the largest presidential popular vote landslide in American history since the popular vote tally began to be recorded in 1824: 60.36% to 34.19%.”Warren G. Harding - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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    In 1912 you had the progressive bull moose, the populist Democrats and the corporate republicans. Taft came third.
     
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    Third parties.

    Imagine if Teddy didn't have a fit about Taft's methods...we might have avoided the venom of the Wilson administration.
    Taft was a stickler for the law...the Constitution might not have been attcked so violently until FDR.....

    Then there wa Perot.....
     
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    It is rumored that Wilson's wife ran the government after Woodie's stroke.
     
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    And for the same reason. As was Bill Clinton in 1992. But at least Lincoln, Wilson, and Clinton were elected with a plurality of the popular vote, i.e., each got more than any of their opponents. Benjamin Harrison and George W. Bush (in 2000)
    didn't even have that.

    I seriously doubt that, given Theodore Roosevelt's voracious and inquisitive mind, and the fact that he implemented socialist-leaning reforms on the capitalist economy (and advocated others) before Wilson was elected.

    While all this is of course true, where are you going with it? Oh, wait, you (or whoever wrote this -- you're cutting and pasting as usual, of course) say so.

    Horseshit. He was not the first progressive president, T.R. was. And he did not assault the Constitution in any way, nor did you present a single example of him doing so. The Federal Reserve and the League of Nations were not unconstitutional in any way, and of course amending the Constitution can never be unconstitutional. Incidentally, the 17th amendment was for direct election of Senators and the 19th was the women's suffrage amendment, both of which were very positive and advanced democracy. (I would agree that we could have done without the 18th, Prohibition, however.)

    True, and deplorable, but hardly unconstitutional. (He was a Southern Democrat, after all. What can one expect?)

    Ridiculous hyperbole. If Wilson's use of the Sedition Act is hardly to be commended, it was also hardly the first time; try John Adams. And in any case, there is no such thing as a fascist state that holds regular free elections.

    While I'm on the subject, one of the principle victims of Wilson's abuse of power during the war was Socialist Party leader Eugene V. Debs:

    Eugene V. Debs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    So while Wilson may have studied socialism, he was certainly not its friend.

    True, and also 1924. But not in 1928, because Herbert Hoover was in many ways a progressive himself (the term "progressive Republican" was not an oxymoron then). And certainly not in 1932. This happens. It's called politics.
     
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    I call this Smart Ass Answers for a Dumb Ass Post


    a. Had the world’s first modern propaganda ministry

    Are you sure about this? I mean really really sure?

    b. Political prisoners by the thousands were harassed, beaten, spied upon and thrown in jail for simply expressing private opinions.

    Might want to look at how congress beefed up the Sedition Act before you go blamin it all on woody willy.

    c. The national leader accused foreigners and immigrants of injecting treasonous ‘poison’ into the American bloodstream

    Those accusations have been echoed by you on more than one occasion I do believe? Illegal Immigration for 300 Alex

    d. Newspapers and magazines were closed for criticizing the government

    Lawfully so. I direct your attention to the aforementioned Sedition Act which allowed the government to lay the smack down on those tree huggin newspapers. Is that an oxymoron? "yeah I left myself open for a moron joke but now if you try it, it just wont be as funny"

    e. Almost 100,000 government propaganda agents were sent out to whip up support for the regime and the war

    They are called MEDIA duh

    f. College professors imposed loyalty oaths on their colleagues

    Damn loyalty another one of those pesky values.

    g. Nearly a quarter million ‘goons’ were given legal authority to beat and intimidate ‘slackers’ and dissenters

    Yeah they went Rodney King on them hoes

    h. Leading artists and writers dedicated their work to proselytizing for the government.

    I bet they got paid for it too
     
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    And then FDR came along and proved he could be worse and more dangerous than all of them.
     
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    FDR's policies created a fully functioning middle class, where there was none.
     
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    FDR was a criminal and the closest thing to an actual dictator we've ever had in this country. His stupid ideas not only prolonged the Great Depression, but they continue to be an anchor to growth, prosperity, and opportunity in this country to this day.
     
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