A Current Look Inside Iran

[Alpha1]

If they are untrustworthy now, they were untrustworthy in 2002. Which is it?

Obviously they were wrong then so theres no reason to put alot of faith in 'em now.....I can see being conned once but not again.....

 

[Paulie]

Alpha, your point really does become tarnished when you use all those stupid ass smily's all the time. It makes a serious post look like it's coming from some 13 year old sending instant messages.

My opinion, of course.

 

[Alpha1]

Your president established a commission in 2004, comprised of top experts with a professional staff and millions of dollars at their disposal, charged with reforming Intelligence analysis with respect to WMD

-Either the Intelligence analysis reforms worked, and the NIE is a better product now.

-Or, once again, your president is a complete incompetent failure, and wasted valuable resources and expertise to NOT fix the problem.

Your choice.

You're quite free to put your life in their hands, but not mine....

And you really think the President was using his expertise in counter-intelligence to personally re-train them...all of them...all 16 agencies.....what a man....he must have training them at night, in his leisure time.....
done reading? then reinsert head in rectum....

 

[Alpha1]

Alpha, your point really does become tarnished when you use all those stupid ass smily's all the time. It makes a serious post look like it's coming from some 13 year old sending instant messages.

My opinion, of course.

Ahhhhhh.....I couldn't help myself....I'm in good mood, laughing too much, and it just seemed appropriate....but damn ...they are distracting, aren't they....

 

[DeadCanDance]

You're quite free to put your life in their hands, but not mine....

And you really think the President was using his expertise in counter-intelligence to personally re-train them...all of them...all 16 agencies.....what a man....he must have training them at night, in his leisure time.....
done reading? then reinsert head in rectum....

You didn't answer the question.

Which is it? The 2004 intelligence reforms Bush mandated made the NIE a better product?

Or, did Bush fail again, and waste valuable resources while NOT fixing the problem?

You been wrong about virtually everything regarding Iraq, WMD, and the insurgency going all the way back to 2003.

For someone who is so consistently wrong, for years on end, I would suggest you don't participate in threads about either Iraq or Iran.

 

[Paulie]

Ahhhhhh.....I couldn't help myself....I'm in good mood, laughing too much, and it just seemed appropriate....but damn ...they are distracting, aren't they....

There's really nothing funny about topics like this. It MIGHT be funny, if it weren't so damn sad.

Go to a comedy club if you want laughter. Just went to one last night, and my face muscles still hurt.

 

[Alpha1]

You didn't answer the question.

Which is it? The 2004 intelligence reforms Bush mandated made the NIE a better product?

Personally, I doubt any changes that have actually been implemented have made so much as a dent into a government bureaucracy the size and scope of 16 different intell agencies in as little as 3 years....for the most part, its the same bodies, behind the same desks, doing the same things....

Or, did Bush fail again, and waste valuable resources while NOT fixing the problem?

And I'm sorry....Its just more crap from Bush haters and partisan hacks...no matter what happens, even in the remotest sections of the government bureaucracy, a bureaucracy that includes MILLIONS of government workers throughout the world, Bush must be blamed at all cost for everything.....if a freekin' pen runs out of ink, ITS BUSH'S FAULT
So forgive me if I answer this question by stating you're a idiot....

You been wrong about virtually everything regarding Iraq, WMD, and the insurgency going all the way back to 2003.

I've been 100% right...100% right in pointing out that what was accepted as fact in those years was what as acted on....by Clinton, Bush, and everyone .... it makes no difference if its Clinton in 1998 aying

"Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.
or the NIE of 2002 stating
"Baghdad HAS chemical and biological weapons"

and its irrelevant if they were right or wrong.....THESE were the beliefs that drove events.....


For someone who is so consistently wrong, for years on end, I would suggest you don't participate in threads about either Iraq or Iran.

I realize these concepts and conclusion of logical thought don't conform to you preconceived bias and hatred of Bush....and you're free to continue with your own convoluted nonsense.....its a free country and you're free to make a fool of yourself....as you do....

 

[Alpha1]

There's really nothing funny about topics like this. It MIGHT be funny, if it weren't so damn sad.

Go to a comedy club if you want laughter. Just went to one last night, and my face muscles still hurt.

But this is free and I'll wager just as damn funny....just read DCD and imagine the hoops you have to navigate to think like him....the facts you have to ignore, the time lines you can't admit to....the twisted logic you must master....
AND ITS ALL FREE!

 

[RetiredGySgt]

If they are untrustworthy now, they were untrustworthy in 2002. Which is it?

Exactly... IF YOU claim in 2002 they had it all wrong then why suddenly because they say what YOU want to hear do they have it ALL right?

 

[akiboy]

what about what about pakistan and India and Korea and china etc etc
are we going to nuke em all "fer they gets us"....madness

eots wake up. India has a clean record. And why should the United States try and "nuke" us ?We are the world's largest democracy.Get your facts right before posting such erratic lines. India possessing nuclear missiles isn't dangerous for the Western World. But , countries like China , Pakistan , N.K possessing them is a different ball game altogether!

 

[eots]

eots wake up. India has a clean record. And why should the United States try and "nuke" us ?We are the world's largest democracy.Get your facts right before posting such erratic lines. India possessing nuclear missiles isn't dangerous for the Western World. But , countries like China , Pakistan , N.K possessing them is a different ball game altogether!

A Nuclear Threat From India

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India's explosion of three nuclear devices in the Rajasthan desert makes the world a more dangerous place. By arrogantly challenging international efforts to control the spread of the most lethal weapons, the new Hindu nationalist Government of Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee may win applause at home from those who confuse military might with self-esteem. But for a paltry and short-lived domestic gain, India now faces a ruinous cutoff in foreign aid, a self-defeating arms race with Pakistan and isolation even from friends.


http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CEFDC1430F930A25756C0A96E958260

so then we only need to overthrow the governments of iraq , iran , china, korea,and pakistain in your opinion ?
dont you think it might be prudent to take out india while your at it ?

I mean a clean track record of not launching a nuke in 8 yrs is not really enough and if we are disarming everone else we got the whole balance of power thing..then theres the ruskies,those freedom fry mofos...

 

[Zoomie1980]

eots wake up. India has a clean record. And why should the United States try and "nuke" us ?We are the world's largest democracy.Get your facts right before posting such erratic lines. India possessing nuclear missiles isn't dangerous for the Western World. But , countries like China , Pakistan , N.K possessing them is a different ball game altogether!

India, like China, is a symbiotic economic partner with the US. And neither country consistently lives outside the standard of behavior of the community of nations.

N Korea does sit astride the most vital natural resource region on the planet. And they are completely bankrupt, impotent country that responds very predictably to economic pressure. They push a button and we cut them off and within a few months they back down. They are also in China and Japan's backyard and in a very stable part of the world. Translation for the slow....they are not a real threat to anyone.

Pakistan? They are a problem and another country we are going to have deal with, probably militarily, at some point, if the religious nuts gain control there.

 

[Paulie]

Exactly... IF YOU claim in 2002 they had it all wrong then why suddenly because they say what YOU want to hear do they have it ALL right?

Maybe if they're so damn imperfect in assessing "risk", they ought to err on the side of caution and not be so hasty in sanctioning countries to economic demise, bombing them as further punishment, or god forbid, invading and killing 10's of thousands at a MINIMUM, only to find out afterward that the costs far outweighed the benefits? Or that maybe...just MAYBE...they were flat out WRONG?

 

[maineman]

Exactly... IF YOU claim in 2002 they had it all wrong then why suddenly because they say what YOU want to hear do they have it ALL right?

I never said they had it ALL right. I do know that the president said he would institute major reforms of our intelligence agencies to prevent any more fuck ups like in 2002, but even so...I am not claiming absolute certainty about any intelligence estimates....THAT'S WHY THEY CALL THEM "ESTIMATES"!!!!!

 

[Annie]

Plenty of Cons have made it abundantly clear on this board and elsewhere that they want to attack Iran. And I still remember the Iraq war, where Cons claimed they prefered a diplomatic solution, but as soon as the bombs started dropping, they immediatley put on their cheerleader skirts, grabbed their pom-poms, and cheered for war.

You yourself have made false claims, for many months, that iran has a nuclear weapons program and questioned the sanity of anyone who asked you for proof. You turned out to be wrong, and never admitted you were wrong.

I'm glad you've come over to my side of the aisle: that the way to go is inspections and diplomacy, in the absence of any evidence of an imminent threat.

http://www.nysun.com/article/70818

National

U.S. Spy Chief Retreats on Iran Estimate

By ELI LAKE
Staff Reporter of the Sun
February 6, 2008


WASHINGTON — The director of national intelligence is backing away from his agency's assessment late last year that Iran had halted its nuclear program, saying he wishes he had written the unclassified version of the document in a different manner.

At a hearing yesterday of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, the intelligence director, Michael McConnell, said, "If I had 'til now to think about it, I probably would change a few things." He later added, "I would change the way we describe the Iranian nuclear program. I would have included that there are the component parts, that the portion of it, maybe the least significant, had halted."

Mr. McConnell was referring to the specific Iranian program to design potential nuclear warheads, which the December estimate said had halted in 2003. But in his opening testimony, Mr. McConnell noted that two other components of the nuclear program were moving ahead — the enrichment of uranium, which he said was the most difficult part of making a bomb, and the development of long-range missiles capable of hitting North Africa and Europe.

The National Intelligence Estimate on Iran's nuclear program released on December 3 distinguished Iran's enrichment of uranium at Natanz and Arak from its formal nuclear weapons program, which it said had halted in 2003 after the American invasion of Iraq.

Yesterday, Mr. McConnell struck a different tone. "Declared uranium enrichment efforts, which will enable the production of fissile material, continue. This is the most difficult challenge in nuclear production. Iran's efforts to perfect ballistic missiles that can reach North Africa and Europe also continue."

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[Paulie]

What's up Kath? Haven't seen you on in a while. How are things?

 

[Annie]

What's up Kath? Haven't seen you on in a while. How are things?

Quiet.

 

[akiboy]

A Nuclear Threat From India

Del.icio.usDiggFacebookNewsvinePermalinkPublished: May 13, 1998


India's explosion of three nuclear devices in the Rajasthan desert makes the world a more dangerous place. By arrogantly challenging international efforts to control the spread of the most lethal weapons, the new Hindu nationalist Government of Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee may win applause at home from those who confuse military might with self-esteem. But for a paltry and short-lived domestic gain, India now faces a ruinous cutoff in foreign aid, a self-defeating arms race with Pakistan and isolation even from friends.


http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CEFDC1430F930A25756C0A96E958260

so then we only need to overthrow the governments of iraq , iran , china, korea,and pakistain in your opinion ?
dont you think it might be prudent to take out india while your at it ?

I mean a clean track record of not launching a nuke in 8 yrs is not really enough and if we are disarming everone else we got the whole balance of power thing..then theres the ruskies,those freedom fry mofos...

Why do you keep expounding on the same bullshit over and over again?

Has India ever seemed like a threat to the U.S? Have our interests ever collided and flared up an incident? Have we encouraged Islamic terrorism? Do we conduct satellite killer tests? Do we promote insurgency anywhere in the world? AND MOST IMPORTANTLY ARE WE SOCIALIST OR COMMUNIST?

You talk about the 1998 nuclear tests without knowing the true facts. If we didn't go nuclear we would have been a colony of Beijing. REMEMBER INDIA IS THE REAL DEMOCRACY IN ASIA. If we did not grow militarily then the Asian subcontinent would be one big nuclear armed Communist "regime".

 

[eots]

Why do you keep expounding on the same bullshit over and over again?

Has India ever seemed like a threat to the U.S? Have our interests ever collided and flared up an incident? Have we encouraged Islamic terrorism? Do we conduct satellite killer tests? Do we promote insurgency anywhere in the world? AND MOST IMPORTANTLY ARE WE SOCIALIST OR COMMUNIST?

You talk about the 1998 nuclear tests without knowing the true facts. If we didn't go nuclear we would have been a colony of Beijing. REMEMBER INDIA IS THE REAL DEMOCRACY IN ASIA. If we did not grow militarily then the Asian subcontinent would be one big nuclear armed Communist "regime".

or we could surmise if India did not go nuclear their neighbours may not of felt the same necessity to do so...or if we did not make a habit of overthrowing sovereign nations and setting up our own puppet government to serve our interests...but i guess we will never know

 

[akiboy]

or we could surmise if India did not go nuclear their neighbours may not of felt the same necessity to do so..

China went nuclear long before India did. Why then did the Western powers not isolate China? Instead they "gently" chided Beijing and see what it has now become!!