A crime?

[RetiredGySgt]

Ohh look several democrats have conspired to charge 10 nurses with criminal complaints for the horrid criminal act of quiting a job where they were mistreated, lied to and used inappropriately.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080117/ap_on_re_us/nurses_on_trial

This is outrageous. Remind me again how Republicans are those big business cold hearts that stoop to things like this.

The claim is patently false since right in the story it STATES the nurse on duty remained past her resignation time to ensure someone took over.

 

[Gunny]

Ohh look several democrats have conspired to charge 10 nurses with criminal complaints for the horrid criminal act of quiting a job where they were mistreated, lied to and used inappropriately.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080117/ap_on_re_us/nurses_on_trial

This is outrageous. Remind me again how Republicans are those big business cold hearts that stoop to things like this.

The claim is patently false since right in the story it STATES the nurse on duty remained past her resignation time to ensure someone took over.

Looks like BS to me. If the prosecution wins this one, so much for civil liberties.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Looks like BS to me. If the prosecution wins this one, so much for civil liberties.

Wanna bet the Dems come out and DEFEND the prosecution?

 

[Gunny]

Wanna bet the Dems come out and DEFEND the prosecution?

We'll see. I don't know. Might be a bit much even for partisanship.

The only thing I see the nurses did wrong IMO is resign without notice. However, it's quite the double-standard that they could be terminated without notice.

Otherwise, the hospital, not the nurses, are responsible for the care of the children, IMO.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

We'll see. I don't know. Might be a bit much even for partisanship.

The only thing I see the nurses did wrong IMO is resign without notice. However, it's quite the double-standard that they could be terminated without notice.

Otherwise, the hospital, not the nurses, are responsible for the care of the children, IMO.

The children were never in danger. One of the Nurses STAYED till relieved after resigning.

 

[Shogun]

clearly you are in a position to make that determination. Hell, I wonder you would feel if nurses organize a walkout the day you find yourself needing care. while I agree that the nurses should have the perogative to quit at their own will, there is much to be said about the patients who rely on these REGISTERED nurses to do their jobs.

Way to sling mud at democrats though. Let a dem make an attempt to help business and all of a sudden people liek you start talking about the poor worker instead of the poor business while politically expedient.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

clearly you are in a position to make that determination. Hell, I wonder you would feel if nurses organize a walkout the day you find yourself needing care. while I agree that the nurses should have the perogative to quit at their own will, there is much to be said about the patients who rely on these REGISTERED nurses to do their jobs.

Way to sling mud at democrats though. Let a dem make an attempt to help business and all of a sudden people liek you start talking about the poor worker instead of the poor business while politically expedient.

Wait, you mean republicans are not the only cold calculating business supporters we have been lead to believe? Spin it any way you want, Democrats are prosecuting these nurses.

 

[AllieBaba]

When you get right down to it, dems don't really believe in the rights of the little people. They think the little people are too stupid to run their own lives, or make their own decisions.

They just say they do so they can manipulate them, and get them where they want them.

 

[Shogun]

Wait, you mean republicans are not the only cold calculating business supporters we have been lead to believe? Spin it any way you want, Democrats are prosecuting these nurses.

certainly not when it's politically expedient to don the robes of a sheep over your wolf skin for some temporary grandstanding. Again, tell me about the little people when YOUR registered nurse walks out and leaves you hooked up to your medical necessity. Lord knows how 1 nurse working a mere 4 hours overtime probably really does make up for the entire staff! Say, do you want to extend this "little guy" attitude to your posterboy Reagans solution to air traffic controllers who, similarly, held the life of the public in their hands yet decided to strike?

DOH! forgot about that, didnt you?

 

[AllieBaba]

A nurse who does that will lose her license. There is no need for criminal prosecution.

It's a witch hunt, and my guess is the nurses took care of their people. No nurse wants to lose her license.

 

[Shogun]

When you get right down to it, dems don't really believe in the rights of the little people. They think the little people are too stupid to run their own lives, or make their own decisions.

They just say they do so they can manipulate them, and get them where they want them.

blah blah blah blah

it's hilarious that a conservative would let that sentence slip out of their mouth

Air traffic controllers' strike

Main article: Professional Air Traffic Controllers Organization (1968)

Only a short time into his administration Federal air traffic controllers went on strike, violating a regulation prohibiting Government unions from striking.[68] Declaring the situation an emergency as described in the 1947 Taft Hartley Act, Reagan held a press conference in the White House Rose Garden, where he stated that if the air traffic controllers "do not report for work within 48 hours, they have forfeited their jobs and will be terminated".[69] On August 3, 1981, Reagan fired 11,345 striking air traffic controllers who had ignored his order to return to work,[70] essentially breaking the union.[71]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan


Gosh, so a dem who sees the danger of striking nurses walking out on their patients is BAD while the conservative posterboy doing the same with air traffic controllers for the sake of public risk is GOOD.

gosh, it's not at all predictable that your concern is not so much these nurses OR their former patients but rather getting a shot in against dems.. nope. not predictable at all.

 

[Shogun]

A nurse who does that will lose her license. There is no need for criminal prosecution.

It's a witch hunt, and my guess is the nurses took care of their people. No nurse wants to lose her license.

your GUESS means jack shit to a patient whose life is the responcibility of a registered nurse. I garentee that you wouldnt give the first rats ass about a nurse strike if you were the person laying strung up on the gurney.


Prosecutors hit them with criminal charges for allegedly jeopardizing the lives of terminally ill children they were in charge of watching.


NO ONE would have batted an eye if these nurses quite when not in charge of patients whose lives are dependant upon care. No one. No one is trying to force these nurses into anything. THEY chose to put their patients life at risk, validating the lawsuit, for the sake of putting pressure on their employer. This is not only despicable but selfish as hell and potentially deadly to their patients. These nurses are no victims. Their patients whose lives could have been lost for the sake of staff complaints are the victims.


Like I said, spare me the silly ass right wing mud sling-fest since we all know how reagans reaction to striking air traffic controllers acts as a natural viagra to your kind. Spare me the faux concern for workers while you blatantly ignore the risk thrust upon the PATIENTS of these rogue nurses.


The bottom line is that nurses who want to quit, more power to them, cannot put the lives of their charges in jeopardy while trying to negotiate their working conditions. If you think othwerwise then make sure you say as much the next time you are in the ER.

 

[AllieBaba]

You're a hysteric. I'm telling you, nurses have the right to leave their employment if they so desire, provided they give enough notice.

Just because they're nurses doesn't mean they are obligated to stay in a situation that is unbearable. If that were true, then nurses would be the same as slaves, and not masters of their own destinies.

Nurses, just like anyone else, have the right to strike.

"None of the patients suffered ill effects, but an indictment alleges the nurses knew their sudden resignations would make it difficult to find replacements."

Difficult to find replacements is not the same as putting children at risk.

I imagine there were a couple of VERY hard working people who stayed behind to run the respirators.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

certainly not when it's politically expedient to don the robes of a sheep over your wolf skin for some temporary grandstanding. Again, tell me about the little people when YOUR registered nurse walks out and leaves you hooked up to your medical necessity. Lord knows how 1 nurse working a mere 4 hours overtime probably really does make up for the entire staff! Say, do you want to extend this "little guy" attitude to your posterboy Reagans solution to air traffic controllers who, similarly, held the life of the public in their hands yet decided to strike?

DOH! forgot about that, didnt you?

Of course you forget the little things like contracts and specific powers granted Government agencies. I love how your spinning so hard to protect those democrats though. You see since us republicans are the cold hearted sort, it is expected of us. You Democrats make a great show of how your for the working guy and for the people and THIS proves that is just a sham.

 

[rayboyusmc]

You Democrats make a great show of how your for the working guy and for the people and THIS proves that is just a sham.

No, Gunny, it proves only that one Democrat, Schumer, has intervened for whatever reason. Once the data is all out and done, if you are wrong will you admit it or just move on.

I worked in a hospital for 7 years when I first retired. If the nurses were being mis-treated, they had to right to leave as long as they did it in a way that didn't endanger patients. It appears that's what they did.

Who started Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. These are all programs that have helped the "working guy/girl." Why are the majority of those who hold higher offices in industry (particularly managed care) Republicans?

You also fail to see that the current crop of Dems aren't representative of what the Democratic party is all about any more than the NeoCon nitwits are real Republicans.

When a person condemns a whole group based on the actions of one or a few, its demonstrates that they are showing their own bias and not real judgement.

When you were active, Gunny, were you a real authoritarian conservative "I'm right and your wrong" like your posts make you appear now?

Just wondering if I ever met and worked with you.

 

[Shogun]

You're a hysteric. I'm telling you, nurses have the right to leave their employment if they so desire, provided they give enough notice.

and, thats not at all what happened in this case, is it Allie? Is walking off the job while caring for patients ENOUGH TIME?



Just because they're nurses doesn't mean they are obligated to stay in a situation that is unbearable. If that were true, then nurses would be the same as slaves, and not masters of their own destinies.

uh, UNBEARABLE? are you kidding me? it's not like there was a doctor putting them to the whip. They walked off because they knew that their employers would be in a tough position replacing them BECAUSE they walked off while patients needed care. If they would GAMBLE patient care with their work envoronment then they should have their lisences revoked and sent back to their homeland. This is no different than Air Traffic Controllers who, similarly, we not allowed to strike so they all called in sick in an ORGANIZED effort to thwart the system despite the risk of the public. These women were far from slaves. I guess it would have taken a dead child to make you see that.


Nurses, just like anyone else, have the right to strike.

like air traffic controllers, eh? No, allie. you are wrong. find out for yourself so that I don't have to bury you with a pile of evidence. Hint: scan the above evidence I posted and figure out why it was an organized sick day instead of a strike.




"None of the patients suffered ill effects, but an indictment alleges the nurses knew their sudden resignations would make it difficult to find replacements."

Difficult to find replacements is not the same as putting children at risk.


Yea, lets see you say the same thing after the nurse caring for your kid walks off the job and leaves your kid without care. It's always easy to disregard when it's someone else, isnt it?



I imagine there were a couple of VERY hard working people who stayed behind to run the respirators.


You may not put much value on those who run medical equipment but I;m betting jacks , joes and dominoes that you wouldnt know the first thing about it. Indeed, it's not like their skill set is found in any schmoe walking in off of the street, eh? Again, THEY KNEW what postition their employer would be in if they walked out despite the risk applied to the patients. Like I said, if they can put their working condidtions above their responsibility as nurses and cant quit when someones life is not in danger then they can practice their trade back in their third world homeland.

 

[AllieBaba]

Obviously you've never worked in the health profession.

I'm hoping that the people left holding the bag were doctors. HA HA! Actually working! Perfect.

And "enough notice" by the standards of their bosses and "enough notice" by the standards of reasonable care are two different things. It says the patients were okay. I take that to mean, nobody was left gasping for oxygen on the cold, hard floor.

I'll tell you what happened. They left after saying they were going to leave if conditions didn't improve. They did exactly what they told the administration they were going to do. If the admin doesn't like it, tough shit. They should have prepared. Nobody gave official notice because what they said was, "If you don't shape up we're going to strike". That's ample notice.

 

[Shogun]

yea, clearly ample given the accusation of patient risk, Allie.

You have no crystal ball. Well, one that works. You may THINK you have an idea regarding the nature of their timeframe in quitting but two things scrap your rhetoric:

First, there was a charge of patient neglect. If there were ample time given there would have been NO patients instead of the ones added to their charges as those who were put at risk

But in doing so, they put more than their careers at risk: Prosecutors hit them with criminal charges for allegedly jeopardizing the lives of terminally ill children they were in charge of watching.

Second, This was a calculated effort to strong arm the company by using patients as a wedge. If this were not the case then there would have been no threat of "indictment alleges the nurses knew their sudden resignations would make it difficult to find replacements. Their trial is scheduled to begin Jan. 28."

Also, let me point out a few laughable tennants that you are supporting here:

1. Irresponsibility - Again, they could have quit when off the clock and no patients were depending on them

2. Entitlement - "For months, the nurses complained that they were subject to demeaning and unfair working conditions — not what they were promised when they came to America from the Philippines in search of a better life. So they abruptly quit."

"The nurses claim that they were sent to work at facilities they never signed up for, and made to perform tasks they deemed demeaning and below their job descriptions. There were also disputes about scheduling and pay."

As your employer it doesn't matter if YOU don't think the task I've assigned is demeaning as long as you want to remain employed by me. Further, your pay is a contractual agreement that you agreed to on point of Hire.

Again, it's frigging hilarious that conservatives defend this sort of stuff just to get in some lip wristed jab at a democrat. I guarenfuckingtee if this had involved a conservative you'd be preaching a different tune. Hell, don't be jealous of Doctors, Allie! They didn't keep you out of med school, right? They didn't make these phillipino women think that cash and diamonds would rain from the heavens if they could get into the US. They ahve a role to fill and they failed to do so and jeopardized terminally ill kids in a grab for selfish consideration. Like I said, i'd revoke their lisences at the very least and charge em with criminal negligence otherwise.


I mean shit, allie, Tell me how, as a mother, nay GRANDMOTHER, what your reaction would be to hearing that your terminally ill grandkid was the tetherball being used by nurses when walking off the job? Had your grandkid died who would YOU be pointing a finger at?

 

[AllieBaba]

Conservatives defend the rights of people to be able to work where they want, and quit when they want.

Dems defend the rights of people to do work they want them to, and otherwise reserve the right to force people to do what they want them to do, regardless of what the workers want. That's socialism at it's finest.

Strikes are always about strong arming. Unions are the babies of the left. Live with it.

I quit a job at the jail, where I supervised an inmate crew. I called my supervisor and when he arrived I walked off. I imagine that's what the nurses did, too, and the admin is squawking because they had to deal with it. Big boo hoo for them. They make money off these people, they use them shamelessly, they treat them like shit, then they want to hold them criminally negligent when they can't find anybody else to do the job?

I bet they end up looking like the huge assholes they are in the end. I've no doubt there's more to this story, Shogun. There always is. And I've very seldom heard of nurses being the bad guys.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

certainly not when it's politically expedient to don the robes of a sheep over your wolf skin for some temporary grandstanding. Again, tell me about the little people when YOUR registered nurse walks out and leaves you hooked up to your medical necessity. Lord knows how 1 nurse working a mere 4 hours overtime probably really does make up for the entire staff! Say, do you want to extend this "little guy" attitude to your posterboy Reagans solution to air traffic controllers who, similarly, held the life of the public in their hands yet decided to strike?

DOH! forgot about that, didnt you?

Red herring as usual. There is in fact NO evidence that the nurses abondoned anyone. In fact the only one ON duty at the time stayed till relieved. Twist it anyway you want. Your Democratic Liberals are prosecuting nurses for exersizing their right to quit a job. And you support them just as I said some democrat would.

All your spin goes no where but to attempts to mislead and misdirect from the facts. If Republicans had pulled this you would be here screaming bloody murder about the trampled rights of the working class.