A Complete Psychological Analysis of Trump's Support

[Mindful]

A Complete Psychological Analysis of Trump's Support
Its a long article but worth reading. It paints quite a bleak picture of the modern world and the way that people can be manipulated. I recognise many of these traits in the people I know who support brexit which shows that it is not a specifically American issue.

This one chimes with me a lot because I worked with several of these people on a project a few years back. People who have had success in some things believe that they are experts in all fields. You cant reach them because they are bomb proof.

7. The Dunning-Kruger Effect: Humans Often Overestimate Their Political Expertise

Some who support Donald Trump are under-informed or misinformed about the issues at hand. When Trump tells them that crime is skyrocketing in the United States, or that the economy is the worst it’s ever been, they simply take his word for it.

The Dunning-Kruger effect explains that the problem isn’t just that they are misinformed; it’s that they are completely unaware that they are misinformed, which creates a double burden.

Studies have shown that people who lack expertise in some area of knowledge often have a cognitive bias that prevents them from realizing that they lack expertise. As psychologist David Dunning puts it in an op-ed for Politico, “The knowledge and intelligence that are required to be good at a task are often the same qualities needed to recognize that one is not good at that task — and if one lacks such knowledge and intelligence, one remains ignorant that one is not good at the task. This includes political judgment.” These people cannot be reached because they mistakenly believe they are the ones who should be reaching others.

Clever. Start a bait thread in the CDZ to annihilate people you don't agree with and use an article whose position is that Hillary should have won or that the Democratic Party is the right party.

Or you could engage in the topic

On your terms?

 

[Weatherman2020]

Clever. Start a bait thread in the CDZ to annihilate people you don't agree with and use an article whose position is that Hillary should have won or that the Democratic Party is the right party.

Hillary got 3 million more votes. That's why she should have won.

But the bigger problem is, why are so many Americans willing to embrace someone like Trump. The points in the article are good ones, but I think it can be a lot simpler.

White folks look at their declining fortunes, as the needs of the labor market change... They look at the good jobs their parents had at a factory with union representation.

And while they have no stomach to form a union and fight for more rights, learn the skills to keep their job set relevant, they do understand the profound cultural loss.

Trump (and for that matter, every Republican before him going back to Nixon) gives them someone to blame, the people who are not like them.

NOBODY gives a shit who the freaks in 5 KKKalifornia counties voted for.

 

[Weatherman2020]

The Dunning-Kruger effect explains that the problem isn’t just that they are misinformed; it’s that they are completely unaware that they are misinformed, which creates a double burden.

This applies to both ends of the political spectrum, of course. The question is whether the infected individual naturally lacks the capacity to see outside of their ideology, or whether this blindness is the product of conditioning over time. My guess is the latter.

The same intellectual myopia manifests when the ideology-infected individual is unaware that they are indeed infected. Those stricken with a hardcore partisan ideology simply, literally don't see how similar their behaviors are compared to those they so loathe.

The Pathology of Partisanship
Partisanship is a toxin and a potent mind-altering drug
THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN COGNITIVE COMPLEXITY AND POLITICAL PARTISANSHIP
Tribal Psychology and Political Behavior - Econlib
The Sadness of Partisan Polarizing
The primeval tribalism of American politics
How Politics Breaks Our Brains, and How We Can Put Them Back Together - The Atlantic
.

There is the phenomena of the "self made man" who has done well at his business and has supreme faith in his abiility to replicate that elsewhere. We see it every day in foot ball clubs in the UK. The successful local businessman takes on a club full of confidence and then makes a complete hash of it. His confidence and self belief prevents him from admitting that he is screwing up. With media and social media we tend to seek out brands that reinforce our beliefs and this builds into a relationship.
When Fox tells you that there are no go zones in Birmingham why wouldnt you believe them because they are right on everything else ?

And when Salon tells you that Trump is an evil man, why wouldn't you believe them because they are right on everything else...….

The principle is the same. You can then reject differing views as fake news.

And you can have people parrot narratives they have been fed.
War for oil.

 

[JoeB131]

NOBODY gives a shit who the freaks in 5 KKKalifornia counties voted for.

As opposed to a few counties in the Rust Belt?

 

[Disir]

Clever. Start a bait thread in the CDZ to annihilate people you don't agree with and use an article whose position is that Hillary should have won or that the Democratic Party is the right party.

Hillary got 3 million more votes. That's why she should have won.

But the bigger problem is, why are so many Americans willing to embrace someone like Trump. The points in the article are good ones, but I think it can be a lot simpler.

White folks look at their declining fortunes, as the needs of the labor market change... They look at the good jobs their parents had at a factory with union representation.

And while they have no stomach to form a union and fight for more rights, learn the skills to keep their job set relevant, they do understand the profound cultural loss.

Trump (and for that matter, every Republican before him going back to Nixon) gives them someone to blame, the people who are not like them.

No. She should not have won as that decision was made with the prior election.

The labor market changed over twenty years ago. It would have some validity in the 1980s or even early 1990s but even by then the factories had either moved or undocumented immigrants were already working in them. The Democratic Party had already abandoned unions and definitely did so by the time Obama came into office.

You don't have a case.

 

[Disir]

A Complete Psychological Analysis of Trump's Support
Its a long article but worth reading. It paints quite a bleak picture of the modern world and the way that people can be manipulated. I recognise many of these traits in the people I know who support brexit which shows that it is not a specifically American issue.

This one chimes with me a lot because I worked with several of these people on a project a few years back. People who have had success in some things believe that they are experts in all fields. You cant reach them because they are bomb proof.

7. The Dunning-Kruger Effect: Humans Often Overestimate Their Political Expertise

Some who support Donald Trump are under-informed or misinformed about the issues at hand. When Trump tells them that crime is skyrocketing in the United States, or that the economy is the worst it’s ever been, they simply take his word for it.

The Dunning-Kruger effect explains that the problem isn’t just that they are misinformed; it’s that they are completely unaware that they are misinformed, which creates a double burden.

Studies have shown that people who lack expertise in some area of knowledge often have a cognitive bias that prevents them from realizing that they lack expertise. As psychologist David Dunning puts it in an op-ed for Politico, “The knowledge and intelligence that are required to be good at a task are often the same qualities needed to recognize that one is not good at that task — and if one lacks such knowledge and intelligence, one remains ignorant that one is not good at the task. This includes political judgment.” These people cannot be reached because they mistakenly believe they are the ones who should be reaching others.

Clever. Start a bait thread in the CDZ to annihilate people you don't agree with and use an article whose position is that Hillary should have won or that the Democratic Party is the right party.

Or you could engage in the topic

Sure, let's do that, Tommy. You have chosen to participate in the game of divide and conquer because you know that keeping people divided keeps powerful people powerful while the people fight over the scraps. Additionally, you have decided that it is inherently important that you get a pat on the head and feel really righteous about doing so. So, you utilize an opining psychologist that is searching for ways to understand the great phenomena and makes you and yours feel angelic.

 

[Disir]

A Complete Psychological Analysis of Trump's Support
Its a long article but worth reading. It paints quite a bleak picture of the modern world and the way that people can be manipulated. I recognise many of these traits in the people I know who support brexit which shows that it is not a specifically American issue.

This one chimes with me a lot because I worked with several of these people on a project a few years back. People who have had success in some things believe that they are experts in all fields. You cant reach them because they are bomb proof.

7. The Dunning-Kruger Effect: Humans Often Overestimate Their Political Expertise

Some who support Donald Trump are under-informed or misinformed about the issues at hand. When Trump tells them that crime is skyrocketing in the United States, or that the economy is the worst it’s ever been, they simply take his word for it.

The Dunning-Kruger effect explains that the problem isn’t just that they are misinformed; it’s that they are completely unaware that they are misinformed, which creates a double burden.

Studies have shown that people who lack expertise in some area of knowledge often have a cognitive bias that prevents them from realizing that they lack expertise. As psychologist David Dunning puts it in an op-ed for Politico, “The knowledge and intelligence that are required to be good at a task are often the same qualities needed to recognize that one is not good at that task — and if one lacks such knowledge and intelligence, one remains ignorant that one is not good at the task. This includes political judgment.” These people cannot be reached because they mistakenly believe they are the ones who should be reaching others.

Clever. Start a bait thread in the CDZ to annihilate people you don't agree with and use an article whose position is that Hillary should have won or that the Democratic Party is the right party.

That's the first thing I thought. Pick a place where abuse and bad language, and trolling are forbidden, to promulgate mendaciously your own personal agenda.

But is it really clever? Because already we are seeing through his little ruse.

No. It's not clever. It's more of the same.

 

[tyroneweaver]

A Complete Psychological Analysis of Trump's Support
Its a long article but worth reading. It paints quite a bleak picture of the modern world and the way that people can be manipulated. I recognise many of these traits in the people I know who support brexit which shows that it is not a specifically American issue.

This one chimes with me a lot because I worked with several of these people on a project a few years back. People who have had success in some things believe that they are experts in all fields. You cant reach them because they are bomb proof.

7. The Dunning-Kruger Effect: Humans Often Overestimate Their Political Expertise

Some who support Donald Trump are under-informed or misinformed about the issues at hand. When Trump tells them that crime is skyrocketing in the United States, or that the economy is the worst it’s ever been, they simply take his word for it.

The Dunning-Kruger effect explains that the problem isn’t just that they are misinformed; it’s that they are completely unaware that they are misinformed, which creates a double burden.

Studies have shown that people who lack expertise in some area of knowledge often have a cognitive bias that prevents them from realizing that they lack expertise. As psychologist David Dunning puts it in an op-ed for Politico, “The knowledge and intelligence that are required to be good at a task are often the same qualities needed to recognize that one is not good at that task — and if one lacks such knowledge and intelligence, one remains ignorant that one is not good at the task. This includes political judgment.” These people cannot be reached because they mistakenly believe they are the ones who should be reaching others.

gaslight much?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

A Complete Psychological Analysis of Trump's Support
Its a long article but worth reading. It paints quite a bleak picture of the modern world and the way that people can be manipulated. I recognise many of these traits in the people I know who support brexit which shows that it is not a specifically American issue.

This one chimes with me a lot because I worked with several of these people on a project a few years back. People who have had success in some things believe that they are experts in all fields. You cant reach them because they are bomb proof.

7. The Dunning-Kruger Effect: Humans Often Overestimate Their Political Expertise

Some who support Donald Trump are under-informed or misinformed about the issues at hand. When Trump tells them that crime is skyrocketing in the United States, or that the economy is the worst it’s ever been, they simply take his word for it.

The Dunning-Kruger effect explains that the problem isn’t just that they are misinformed; it’s that they are completely unaware that they are misinformed, which creates a double burden.

Studies have shown that people who lack expertise in some area of knowledge often have a cognitive bias that prevents them from realizing that they lack expertise. As psychologist David Dunning puts it in an op-ed for Politico, “The knowledge and intelligence that are required to be good at a task are often the same qualities needed to recognize that one is not good at that task — and if one lacks such knowledge and intelligence, one remains ignorant that one is not good at the task. This includes political judgment.” These people cannot be reached because they mistakenly believe they are the ones who should be reaching others.

Clever. Start a bait thread in the CDZ to annihilate people you don't agree with and use an article whose position is that Hillary should have won or that the Democratic Party is the right party.

Or you could engage in the topic

Sure, let's do that, Tommy. You have chosen to participate in the game of divide and conquer because you know that keeping people divided keeps powerful people powerful while the people fight over the scraps. Additionally, you have decided that it is inherently important that you get a pat on the head and feel really righteous about doing so. So, you utilize an opining psychologist that is searching for ways to understand the great phenomena and makes you and yours feel angelic.

The topic is about an article analysing Trumps supporters. It isnt about me.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

This really doesn't belong in the CDZ.

The article cited in the OP is nothing more than a hyperpartisan pseudoscientific flame against conservatives in general, and Trump supporters in particular. It's chock full of psychological projection of its author's own deficiencies, bad assumptions, gratuitous ad-hominems, and flat-out lies, thinly-disguised as “science”. There's really no way to have much of a discussion about this article or its author without stooping to the same low level that it sets, in violation of the letter and the spirit of the CDZ.

 

[Mac1958]

This really doesn't belong in the CDZ.

The article cited in the OP is nothing more than a hyperpartisan pseudoscientific flame against conservatives in general, and Trump supporters in particular. It's chock full of psychological projection of its author's own deficiencies, bad assumptions, gratuitous ad-hominems, and flat-out lies, thinly-disguised as “science”. There's really no way to have much of a discussion about this article or its author without stooping to the same low level that it sets, in violation of the letter and the spirit of the CDZ.

Yep.
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[Disir]

A Complete Psychological Analysis of Trump's Support
Its a long article but worth reading. It paints quite a bleak picture of the modern world and the way that people can be manipulated. I recognise many of these traits in the people I know who support brexit which shows that it is not a specifically American issue.

This one chimes with me a lot because I worked with several of these people on a project a few years back. People who have had success in some things believe that they are experts in all fields. You cant reach them because they are bomb proof.

7. The Dunning-Kruger Effect: Humans Often Overestimate Their Political Expertise

Some who support Donald Trump are under-informed or misinformed about the issues at hand. When Trump tells them that crime is skyrocketing in the United States, or that the economy is the worst it’s ever been, they simply take his word for it.

The Dunning-Kruger effect explains that the problem isn’t just that they are misinformed; it’s that they are completely unaware that they are misinformed, which creates a double burden.

Studies have shown that people who lack expertise in some area of knowledge often have a cognitive bias that prevents them from realizing that they lack expertise. As psychologist David Dunning puts it in an op-ed for Politico, “The knowledge and intelligence that are required to be good at a task are often the same qualities needed to recognize that one is not good at that task — and if one lacks such knowledge and intelligence, one remains ignorant that one is not good at the task. This includes political judgment.” These people cannot be reached because they mistakenly believe they are the ones who should be reaching others.

Clever. Start a bait thread in the CDZ to annihilate people you don't agree with and use an article whose position is that Hillary should have won or that the Democratic Party is the right party.

Or you could engage in the topic

Sure, let's do that, Tommy. You have chosen to participate in the game of divide and conquer because you know that keeping people divided keeps powerful people powerful while the people fight over the scraps. Additionally, you have decided that it is inherently important that you get a pat on the head and feel really righteous about doing so. So, you utilize an opining psychologist that is searching for ways to understand the great phenomena and makes you and yours feel angelic.

The topic is about an article analysing Trumps supporters. It isnt about me.

It very much is about you, Tommy. You are aware that other psychologists and researchers on the opposite side keep endless crap going trying to say that liberals are mentally ill and blah, blah, blah. Divide and conquer is a strategy that has been used over and over again.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

There is the phenomena of the "self made man" who has done well at his business and has supreme faith in his abiility [sic] to replicate that elsewhere. We see it every day in foot ball clubs in the UK.

As if British foot ball clubs have anything to do with the real world.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

The principle is the same. You can then reject differing views as fake news.

Some times, fake news really is fake news.

 

[Olde Europe]

The Dunning-Kruger effect explains that the problem isn’t just that they are misinformed; it’s that they are completely unaware that they are misinformed, which creates a double burden.

This applies to both ends of the political spectrum, of course. The question is whether the infected individual naturally lacks the capacity to see outside of their ideology, or whether this blindness is the product of conditioning over time. My guess is the latter.

The same intellectual myopia manifests when the ideology-infected individual is unaware that they are indeed infected. Those stricken with a hardcore partisan ideology simply, literally don't see how similar their behaviors are compared to those they so loathe.

The Pathology of Partisanship
Partisanship is a toxin and a potent mind-altering drug
THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN COGNITIVE COMPLEXITY AND POLITICAL PARTISANSHIP
Tribal Psychology and Political Behavior - Econlib
The Sadness of Partisan Polarizing
The primeval tribalism of American politics
How Politics Breaks Our Brains, and How We Can Put Them Back Together - The Atlantic
.

The OP discusses "A Complete Psychological Analysis of Trump's Support" in general, and the role the Dunning-Kruger Effect plays in this in particular. The quoted article asserts that Trump is unique on the political landscape, and the explanation for his support has to account for that uniqueness. It sets out to demonstrate that there is a variety of confluent factors, ranging from the benign to the out-and-out vile, explaining the continuing support for Trump.

Mac quotes "Dunning-Kruger Effect", completely forgets about it, and then chooses to ride his shtick - finds "hardcore partisan ideology" on all sides, vigorously dragging the thread off topic.

That's post #6, and it's getting worse, and personal, thereafter.


The place is in need of a clean-up.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Why dont we go through the article point by point ?

Point 1 - For some wealthy people, it’s simply a financial matter. Trump offers tax cuts for the rich and wants to do away with government regulation that gets in the way of businessmen making money, even when that regulation exists for the purpose of protecting the environment. Others, like blue-collared workers, like the fact that the president is trying to bring jobs back to America from places like China. Some people who genuinely are not racist (those who are will be discussed later) simply want stronger immigration laws because they know that a country with open borders is not sustainable. These people have put their practical concerns above their moral ones. To them, it does not make a difference if he’s a vagina-grabber, or if his campaign team colluded with Russia to help him defeat his political opponent. It is unknown whether these people are eternally bound to Trump in the way others are, but we may soon find out if the Mueller investigation is allowed to come to completion.

To me this seems to be the main reason people voted for Trump. I dont see it as controversial.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Most Left Wingers get their "News" from late night TV comedians.
This is why they are the least informed people.

 

[pondsbb]

A Complete Psychological Analysis of Trump's Support
Its a long article but worth reading. It paints quite a bleak picture of the modern world and the way that people can be manipulated. I recognise many of these traits in the people I know who support brexit which shows that it is not a specifically American issue.

This one chimes with me a lot because I worked with several of these people on a project a few years back. People who have had success in some things believe that they are experts in all fields. You cant reach them because they are bomb proof.

7. The Dunning-Kruger Effect: Humans Often Overestimate Their Political Expertise

Some who support Donald Trump are under-informed or misinformed about the issues at hand. When Trump tells them that crime is skyrocketing in the United States, or that the economy is the worst it’s ever been, they simply take his word for it.

The Dunning-Kruger effect explains that the problem isn’t just that they are misinformed; it’s that they are completely unaware that they are misinformed, which creates a double burden.

Studies have shown that people who lack expertise in some area of knowledge often have a cognitive bias that prevents them from realizing that they lack expertise. As psychologist David Dunning puts it in an op-ed for Politico, “The knowledge and intelligence that are required to be good at a task are often the same qualities needed to recognize that one is not good at that task — and if one lacks such knowledge and intelligence, one remains ignorant that one is not good at the task. This includes political judgment.” These people cannot be reached because they mistakenly believe they are the ones who should be reaching others.

Clever. Start a bait thread in the CDZ to annihilate people you don't agree with and use an article whose position is that Hillary should have won or that the Democratic Party is the right party.

Or you could engage in the topic

Sure, let's do that, Tommy. You have chosen to participate in the game of divide and conquer because you know that keeping people divided keeps powerful people powerful while the people fight over the scraps. Additionally, you have decided that it is inherently important that you get a pat on the head and feel really righteous about doing so. So, you utilize an opining psychologist that is searching for ways to understand the great phenomena and makes you and yours feel angelic.

The topic is about an article analysing Trumps supporters. It isnt about me.

It very much is about you, Tommy. You are aware that other psychologists and researchers on the opposite side keep endless crap going trying to say that liberals are mentally ill and blah, blah, blah. Divide and conquer is a strategy that has been used over and over again.

Even lifelong Dems, like that Starbucks CEO, see the Dems have cracked and is trying to get away from them. Who, with any common sense, wants to be a part of the rainbow and unicorn party?

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[GreenAndBlue]

Trump supporters has the highest net worth. Which proves they are the most wise

And being most wise means having the real power

 

[Disir]

Why dont we go through the article point by point ?

Point 1 - For some wealthy people, it’s simply a financial matter. Trump offers tax cuts for the rich and wants to do away with government regulation that gets in the way of businessmen making money, even when that regulation exists for the purpose of protecting the environment. Others, like blue-collared workers, like the fact that the president is trying to bring jobs back to America from places like China. Some people who genuinely are not racist (those who are will be discussed later) simply want stronger immigration laws because they know that a country with open borders is not sustainable. These people have put their practical concerns above their moral ones. To them, it does not make a difference if he’s a vagina-grabber, or if his campaign team colluded with Russia to help him defeat his political opponent. It is unknown whether these people are eternally bound to Trump in the way others are, but we may soon find out if the Mueller investigation is allowed to come to completion.

To me this seems to be the main reason people voted for Trump. I dont see it as controversial.

Unless you talk to the people that voted for Trump on the board. Many of them were fed up. The Republican party is really two factions. There were multiple people that said on USMB that they did not see Trump as this awesome individual but rather someone that was capable of destroying the people that had been in power too long and promoted their own agendas.

It's the my billionaires are better than your billionaires game.