A closer look at Joni Ernst's military credentials

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    I suspect that John McCain has a far better grasp on what is reprehensible when it comes to wounded veterans than you do.
     
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    Do you have a link to McCain's original quote? I'd like to see what he actually said, not the Thinkprogress chopped up version. I can't find it anywhere.

    He couldn't have found it too reprehensible...because he campaigned for Chambliss in 2008, his very next election.
     
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    Time to take this full circle, and back to the OP.

    I did some reading on Max Cleland.

    Here is an excerpt of the Huffington Post article on Joni Ernst:

    When most people hear "combat veteran," they think firefights with the enemy. But the military defines combat veteran differently -- as soldiers who served in a combat area.

    Which brings us to Senator Joni Ernst (R-Iowa), one of the GOP's most recent stars. It was Sen. Ernst who was selected to give the Republican response to President Obama's recent State of the Union message this year.

    Senator Ernst calls herself a combat veteran at every turn -- on her Senate web page, in campaign debates, and in her stump speeches. She can say this because she served in a combat zone.

    And it's technically true. She was company commander of the Iowa National Guard's 1168th Transportation Company during its tour of active duty in Kuwait and southern Iraq, from February 2003 to April 2004. But the unit was never in a firefight, or for that matter attacked at all; it delivered supplies, and later, guarded the front gate and ran perimeter patrol at their home base outside Kuwait City, Camp Arifjan.

    The Honor of Senator Joni Ernst Andrew Reinbach


    Let's rewrite this article, as the Huffington Post, in this same vein, would have written about Max Cleland:

    When most people hear "wounded veteran," they think firefights with the enemy, stepping on mines while on patrol, or mortar attacks.

    Which brings us to Max Cleland, one of the liberals most recent stars...an Army veteran who was wounded grievously in the war in Vietnam

    And it's technically true. Captain Cleland was injured while serving in the Battalion Signal Officer for the 2nd Battalion, 12th Cavalry Regiment, 1st Cavalry Division during the Battle of Khe Sanh. But Cleland wasn't injured in a firefight, or for that matter attacked at all; he was ordered to deliver a radio relay to a nearby hill, where he inadvertently picked up a live grenade accidentally dropped by a fellow soldier.
    Not my opinions being expressed mind you...just carrying over the rationale from the article to a different subject. I personally have nothing but respect for either of their service.
     
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    You must live under a rock. The Left attacked Jodi with a great deal of zeal. One example here:

    The Honor of Senator Joni Ernst Andrew Reinbach
     
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    Martin Uses McCain s Words against Chambliss TheHill
     
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    Too bad the Military's been voting Republican for the past 3 decades. The military knows who supports them.

    Jack Murtha and John Kerry. Two Democrat veterans who were both douche bags. And the military agrees.
     
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    Assumes facts not in evidence!

    Military Less Republican Than You Think

    3. As with the rest of the country, the younger cohorts of the military–including its officer corps–are less Republican and less conservative. See, for example, the enormous swings in attitudes on gays in the military over the last 20 years.

    4. The notion that the “military vote” plays a major role in choosing our presidents is vastly overstated. In addition to the issues Lawrence notes, a third of the states essentially disenfranchise military personnel by mailing absentee ballots too late. The caveat is that, because a disproportionate number of military personnel claim Florida as their home of record in order to avoid paying state income taxes, they could potentially serve as a decisive swing vote in an incredibly close contest along the lines of the 2000 election. Those are, of course, quite uncommon.

    Does the Military Vote Really Lean Republican TIME.com

    But there is conflicting evidence. The Center for Responsive Politics reported last month that self-described military personnel had donated $678,611 to Obama, 85% more than the $398,450 the Romney campaign has collected.
     
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    "self described" Military donations does not equal military support/votes. You want support? See below.

    USATODAY.com - Troops in survey back Bush 4-to-1 over Kerry
    Military Times poll Troops backing McCain Army Times armytimes.com
    Military Times Poll Romney bests Obama 2-1 Army Times armytimes.com
     
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    Are the facts in evidence now? Now you may safely change your statement to "assessing facts in evidence."
     
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    You're full of shit. Quit lying.
     

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