A civilized society affords even the most heinous criminal basic human rights

[Samson]

... a civilized society affords even the most heinous criminal basic human rights

Like, who?

When?


Frankly I see no precedent for the title of the OP.

Wouldn't "The most heinous criminal" be guilty of destroying civilized society?

If civilized society is destroyed, or even undermined, then how can it expect to "afford....basic rights?"

Indeed, isn't the criminal who undermines civilized society, and who suffers the consequences of a less civilized society, simply "reaping what he sowed?"

Specifically, we see criminals attack the US on 9/11. They do great damage to our society. Our society adopts less civilized means to defend itself. Who is to blame?

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

The Constitution is not a suicide pact - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Samson]

The Constitution is not a suicide pact - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Someone oughta tell Bush:

Jefferson offered one of the earliest formulations of the sentiment, although not of the phrase. In 1803, Thomas Jefferson's ambassadors to France arranged the purchase of the Louisiana territory in conflict with Jefferson's personal belief that the Constitution did not bestow upon the federal government the right to acquire or possess foreign territory. Due to political considerations, however, Jefferson disregarded his constitutional doubts, signed the proposed treaty, and sent it to the Senate for ratification. In justifying his actions, he later wrote: "[a] strict observance of the written law is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self-preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to the written law, would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the ends to the means."

 

[JW Frogen]

Once a republic becomes an empire the rules get a bit flexible in order to serve rule.

 

[eagleseven]

A society's civility or lack thereof is purely subjective.

Many practices of ancient Rome we find barbaric today (slavery and human bloodsport), yet Rome considered itself the peak of civilization in its time.

 

[JW Frogen]

I think we should bring back bloodsport.

 

[JW Frogen]

I mean why should the US confine that to prison?

 

[Avatar4321]

Maybe we should define "basic human rights" just the lawyer in me there.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

I think we should bring back bloodsport.

I guess you haven't been paying attention

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Maybe we should define "basic human rights" just the lawyer in me there.

Yup. According to the left I imagine that includes TV's rec rooms and all sorts of amenities. In Florida a few years back they had a scam artist in Jail. He was using the public phone in the jail to continue to scam people illegally. They caught him and ordered his use of the phone curtailed. A Judge threw it out claiming he had a basic right to use said phone.

 

[editec]

... a civilized society affords even the most heinous criminal basic human rights

Like, who?

When?


Frankly I see no precedent for the title of the OP.

Wouldn't "The most heinous criminal" be guilty of destroying civilized society?

If civilized society is destroyed, or even undermined, then how can it expect to "afford....basic rights?"

Indeed, isn't the criminal who undermines civilized society, and who suffers the consequences of a less civilized society, simply "reaping what he sowed?"

Specifically, we see criminals attack the US on 9/11. They do great damage to our society. Our society adopts less civilized means to defend itself. Who is to blame?

Look up the life of Albert Speer.

Or if that piques your interest, read Inside the Third Reich and Spandau: The Secret Diaries.

Did he deserve to live?

A civilized international society decided he did.

 

[Samson]

... a civilized society affords even the most heinous criminal basic human rights

Like, who?

When?


Frankly I see no precedent for the title of the OP.

Wouldn't "The most heinous criminal" be guilty of destroying civilized society?

If civilized society is destroyed, or even undermined, then how can it expect to "afford....basic rights?"

Indeed, isn't the criminal who undermines civilized society, and who suffers the consequences of a less civilized society, simply "reaping what he sowed?"

Specifically, we see criminals attack the US on 9/11. They do great damage to our society. Our society adopts less civilized means to defend itself. Who is to blame?

Look up the life of Albert Speer.

Or if that piques your interest, read Inside the Third Reich and Spandau: The Secret Diaries.

Did he deserve to live?

A civilized international society decided he did.

Not sure what represents "civilized international society." Sounds like a rather nebulous entity that would have little or no responsibility for the outcome of their decisions.

However, Albert Speer would seem to be the exception to the rule. Many WWII criminals were executed. Although I would argue that you're correct that "deserving to die" seems to be a somewhat capricious judgement of "civilized society." It had more to do with their post-war value to the allies on the tribunal than any ethical or moral position of a mythical "international society."

 

[boedicca]

Maybe we should define "basic human rights" just the lawyer in me there.

Good idea.

Basic human rights do not include television, DVDs, and ice cream treats.

 

[Sallow]

... a civilized society affords even the most heinous criminal basic human rights

Like, who?

When?


Frankly I see no precedent for the title of the OP.

Wouldn't "The most heinous criminal" be guilty of destroying civilized society?

If civilized society is destroyed, or even undermined, then how can it expect to "afford....basic rights?"

Indeed, isn't the criminal who undermines civilized society, and who suffers the consequences of a less civilized society, simply "reaping what he sowed?"

Specifically, we see criminals attack the US on 9/11. They do great damage to our society. Our society adopts less civilized means to defend itself. Who is to blame?

Timothy McViegh got a fair trial.

 

[strollingbones]

did mcveigh get a fair trial...many would disagree with you

 

[Samson]

... a civilized society affords even the most heinous criminal basic human rights

Like, who?

When?


Frankly I see no precedent for the title of the OP.

Wouldn't "The most heinous criminal" be guilty of destroying civilized society?

If civilized society is destroyed, or even undermined, then how can it expect to "afford....basic rights?"

Indeed, isn't the criminal who undermines civilized society, and who suffers the consequences of a less civilized society, simply "reaping what he sowed?"

Specifically, we see criminals attack the US on 9/11. They do great damage to our society. Our society adopts less civilized means to defend itself. Who is to blame?

Timothy McViegh got a fair trial.

We'll, I suppose that a mass child murder is "heinous."

But there may be some that disagree that capital punishment is not civilized because, after all, the French don't do it, and as we all know, the French are the most civilized people on the planet.

 

[eagleseven]

But there may be some that disagree that capital punishment is not civilized because, after all, the French don't do it, and as we all know, the French are the most civilized people on the planet.

Particularly when you change their pension benefits...

 

[Samson]

But there may be some that disagree that capital punishment is not civilized because, after all, the French don't do it, and as we all know, the French are the most civilized people on the planet.

Particularly when you change their pension benefits...

As we all know, insurrection is civilized, as long as socialists are doing it.

 

[eagleseven]

As we all know, insurrection is civilized, as long as socialists are doing it.

The pinnacle of human civilization as we know it...

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ijgIlHn5F0"]Chinese Glory[/ame]

...the new leaders of the civilized international community. One-sixth of humanity, united for a single purpose, to lead us into the new millennium!

 

[Samson]

As we all know, insurrection is civilized, as long as socialists are doing it.

The pinnacle of human civilization as we know it...

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ijgIlHn5F0"]Chinese Glory[/ame]

...the new leaders of the civilized international community. One-sixth of humanity, united for a single purpose, to lead us into the new millennium!

I wonder if they waterboard?