A Citizen’s Guide to Global Warming Evidence

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    while looking around for opinions on the new Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature (© 2010) data site I found this list from a statistician; http://wmbriggs.com/blog/?p=1417
    and of course his take on the new database;http://wmbriggs.com/blog/?p=3558
     
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    and a Lindzen WSJ op-ed that points out the same flaws-

    Richard S. Lindzen: The Climate Science Isn't Settled - WSJ.com
     
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    And still the ice melts, the weather continues to become more erratic, causing foodstocks worldwide to dwindle, and the seas continue to acidify and rise.

    But whatever it takes to avoid looking at the reality.
     
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    I certainly don't mind you saying that you are concerned about those things. Just don't say it is scientifically shown that CO2 is causing them.
     
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    I don't need some "scholar" to see it. I watched 100 acres of coffee get ripped out and replanted 1000 feet higher because coffee now has issues at the elevations it was grown in for the past couple hundred years.
    I know. murkins like to talk about all the snow in JewJoizzy because it's all they're told.
     
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    What's been claimed for CO2 that hasn't been proved scientifically? We know that it traps infra-red radiation, so common sense tells you, more CO2 means more trapped energy. We know that CO2 dissolved in water forms carbonic acid, so common sense tells you, more CO2 means lower pHs. If the concentration in the atmosphere has been going up, since the advent of the Industrial Revolution, why shouldn't we consider it a major contributor in what's happening to the climate?
     
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    konradv- you simply dont understand the physics involved. the LR absorbed by Co2 molecules is trivial, it is the increased time to escape into space that changes the equilibrium. likewise you misunderstand the stasis mechanisms involved with CO2 dissoving into the oceans.

    I really wish you would investigate CO2 rather than just regurgitate the same incorrect comment over and over again.
     
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    Probably has more to do with soil depletion but then that would be science.
     
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    I think you're the one trying to complicate things that are really quite simple. I reject your notion that the energy absorbed is trivial. CO2 is well known to keep the earth warmer than if it were not present. That hardly seems trivial to me. You're also trying to obscure the fact that CO2 dissolves in water. If there's more, more WILL dissolve and pH WILL go down. If anyone's repeating the same thing over and over, it's you and the other skeptics trying to tell us that well known physical attributes of CO2 don't count.
     

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