A call for some Agreement & Unity....maybe.....

[nat4900]

I estimate Oil Change International is 100% full of shit.

An expected response from someone who has been exposed as spewing BS

Link?

LOOK it up.......But, since reality is not for right wingers.....don't bother.

 

[StevenC]

I estimate Oil Change International is 100% full of shit.

An expected response from someone who has been exposed as spewing BS

Link?

LOOK it up.......But, since reality is not for right wingers.....don't bother.

How about an independent source? Not one with an agenda like this.

Oil Change International Staff
Oil Change International was founded in 2005 on the belief that in order to facilitate the necessary transition towards a clean energy future and combat global warming, we must expose and counter the influence of fossil fuel money in politics, work toward a separation of oil and state, and follow the money flows to and from the industry. Together, our staff have decades of experience analyzing, researching, coordinating and campaigning on energy and climate issues, making our team uniquely suited to achieving our mission to expose the true costs of fossil fuels and hasten the transition to clean energy.

 

[bedowin62]

YAWN. another joke of a thread by the laughably predictable hypocrites on the Left. There must have been something, anything Republicans did that the Left agrees with. the REAL challenge is for left-wingers to admit obama has been a failure in almost every way imaginable

 

[bedowin62]

obama and Democrats have retained nearly every single Bush/Republican policy; especially the ones they insist were so "disastrous"; but you'd never know it listening or reading their self-delusions. so it's laughable on its very face for the Left to "challenge" the Right to find something about obama they like and can work with. We already have; you just dont admit it what with all the talking points about "obstruction" and all.
libs are losers who lie to themselves about virtually everything

 

[nat4900]

Hopefully, evangelical right wingers will...at least.....find some validity in the Christian Science Monitor's article.....

Oil and gas: $41 billion
President Obama wants Congress to chop $3.6 billion in 2012 oil and gas tax breaks for a total of $46.2 billion over the next decade. Among Mr. Obama’s targets: a nearly century-old oil and gas industry tax deduction for the costs of preparing drill sites and a manufacturer's tax break granted the oil industry in 2004.
The number is significant, but still little more than one-tenth of the federal subsidies that oil and gas companies might receive over 10 years. Adjusted for inflation, they currently receive about $41 billion in annual subsidies annually. That amounts to more than half – 52 percent – of total benefits distributed to energy sectors by the federal government.
Coal: $8 billion
In second place among fossil fuels, the US coal industry reaps about $8 billion in subsidies annually – or about 10 percent of total federal largess. This includes tax breaks, as well as hundreds of millions of dollars on research into carbon capture and storage.
Those figures mean that subsidies to industries involved in fossil fuels total about $52 billion when adjusted for inflation – about two-thirds all federal energy subsidies.

 

[nat4900]

YAWN. another joke of a thread by the laughably predictable hypocrites on the Left. There must have been something, anything Republicans did that the Left agrees with. the REAL challenge is for left-wingers to admit obama has been a failure in almost every way imaginable

BIG Yawn......(just following your example of how you start every one of your moronic posts......find another "cute" entree.)

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

How is it subsidized when the gov makes an average of 24 cents per gallon of gas?
Yet the oil companies make an average of 7 cents a gallon.[/QUOTE]

From Oil Change International.......
$331 billion is the profit made in 2013 by companies involved in extracting, transporting, refining, distributing and trading in fossil fuels. Despite these massive profits, the fossil fuel industry continues to receive tens of billions of dollars in subsidies every year at the expense of U.S. taxpayers. While these companies reap their benefits, communities across the country suffer the impacts of climate change, oil spills and water contamination from fracking, drilling and mining.[/QUOTE]

the fossil fuel industry continues to receive tens of billions of dollars in subsidies every year

Writing off typical business expenses is not a subsidy.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I estimate Oil Change International is 100% full of shit.

An expected response from someone who has been exposed as spewing BS

Link?

LOOK it up.......But, since reality is not for right wingers.....don't bother.

Look up proof of your false claim? LOL!
Liberals are stupid.

 

[nat4900]

obama and Democrats have retained nearly every single Bush/Republican policy; especially the ones they insist were so "disastrous"; but you'd never know it listening or reading their self-delusions. so it's laughable on its very face for the Left to "challenge" the Right to find something about obama they like and can work with. We already have; you just dont admit it what with all the talking points about "obstruction" and all.
libs are losers who lie to themselves about virtually everything

I know, I well know that you don't believe ANYTHING posted by the Daily Kos....but just for "fun":

Republican obstructionism isn’t exactly new in Washington, D.C. It’s been all the rage since Barack Obama was elected President. Since then, a majority of Republicans have gone to great lengths in an attempt to torpedo his Presidency.
The twisted irony is this: Many of the ideas President Obama and the Democrats have tried to put forth were actually Republican ideas first. So when you think about it, finding common ground and passing legislation that might, you know, help the American people, would be possible if Republicans weren’t hell-bent on attacking President Obama.

Here are 10 examples:

1. The Obamacare individual mandate. Before they became obsessed with bringing down Obamacare, Republicans had the idea of a free-rider fee for people who can afford health insurance but refuse to buy it, also known as the individual mandate. The free-rider fee is part of “Romneycare” in Massachusetts.
2. End-of-life counseling. Republicans also used to include counseling for end-of-life issues in their own healthcare proposals. But when President Obama liked the idea? Well, he just wants to kill your grandparents. Oh, and by the way, the so-called “death panels” are nothing of the kind. It’s simply about giving patients and their families the information they need to make the best decisions about the end-of-life care they want.
3. Donor disclosure. Before they opposed the DISCLOSE Act, Republican Congressional leaders were all for transparency in campaign contributions. How can we forget House GOP leader John Boehner proclaiming that “sunlight is the best disinfectant”?
4. Clean energy. There was once a day when Congressional Republicans made clean energy a priority. They supported national energy laboratories, hybrid-vehicle manufacturers and the development of electric car batteries. Now, of course, they want nothing to do with clean energy. After all, there are plenty of climate-change deniers to claim there’s no reason to make the investment.
5. Medicare cost savings. Before they accused Obamacare of “cutting” $700 billion from Medicare, Republicans in Congress proposed the same $700 billion in savings from reducing waste and inefficiencies in Medicare. But unlike the cuts made by Obamacare, which come from eliminating excess payments to providers (not patients), the GOP wanted to use the money for more tax cuts for the wealthy. Not to mention that Republicans have been trying to make cuts to Medicare for years, and still are. Vouchers, anyone?
6. Deficit-reduction commission. This one’s downright blatant. Republicans in Congress voted against their own bill to create a deficit-reduction commission because, according to a former GOP senator, they wanted to “stick it to the president.”
7. Welfare flexibility. After wanting more flexibility to eliminate red tape and move people out of the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) program and into jobs, Mitt Romney, GOP governors and Congressional Republicans fought the idea when the Obama Administration proposed it.
8. Nuclear START treaty. Before they tried to block the nuclear START treaty negotiated by the Obama Administration, Republican leaders supported it under Presidents Reagan and Bush.
9. Gun violence prevention. Republicans in Congress helped President Reagan pass the Brady Bill establishing a national gun purchase background check system and pass a ban on military-style assault weapons. Now Republicans in Congress
oppose restoring the ban, and voted against closing the background check loophole that lets criminals buy guns easily at gun shows and over the Internet.
10. Upholding the Constitution. Many Republicans — especially Conservatives — say they live by the Constitution. But they can’t seem to make up their minds about the Constitution’s eligibility requirements to serve as President. Conservatives have, and still do, argue that if President Obama were born in a foreign country (which he wasn’t) to his American mother, he’d be ineligible to be President. But they don’t seem to have a problem with Tea Party darling Senator Ted Cruz running for President — even though he actually was born in a foreign country to an American mother.
[ courtesy of Daily Kos]

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Under current regulations, coal companies pay royalties on the first sale to another company after mining coal on federal land. The coal then can be bought and sold multiple times until it reaches a final destination and is sold to an end user, such as a power plant where it is burned for electricity. By building up hundreds of subsidiaries, coal companies have been able to sell to their own companies and partners, allegedly paying royalties based on an artificially low sale price. The CAP analysis presents evidence that captive transactions are common practice in the coal industry and regularly exploited to evade royalty payments and maximize subsidies.

Reducing your taxes is not a subsidy, moron. You can argue they aren't paying their share of taxes, but you can't call that a subsidy.

Hmm.....

1. DEFINITION of 'Subsidy' A benefit given by the government to groups or individuals usually in the form of a cash payment or taxreduction. The subsidy is usually given to remove some type of burden and is often considered to be in the interest of the public.

Subsidy Definition Investopedia

Cheating on your taxes is not a subsidy.

Hmm...

Breaking It Down: Oil-Industry Tax Breaks
Breaking It Down Oil-Industry Tax Breaks - NationalJournal.com

Thanks for the list of things that aren't subsidies.

So a tax break is a subsidy and energy companies get tax breaks ,but they aren't subsidies?

I know it sucks to find out you have been lied to but don't worry the grief will pass.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Under current regulations, coal companies pay royalties on the first sale to another company after mining coal on federal land. The coal then can be bought and sold multiple times until it reaches a final destination and is sold to an end user, such as a power plant where it is burned for electricity. By building up hundreds of subsidiaries, coal companies have been able to sell to their own companies and partners, allegedly paying royalties based on an artificially low sale price. The CAP analysis presents evidence that captive transactions are common practice in the coal industry and regularly exploited to evade royalty payments and maximize subsidies.

Reducing your taxes is not a subsidy, moron. You can argue they aren't paying their share of taxes, but you can't call that a subsidy.

Hmm.....

1. DEFINITION of 'Subsidy' A benefit given by the government to groups or individuals usually in the form of a cash payment or taxreduction. The subsidy is usually given to remove some type of burden and is often considered to be in the interest of the public.

Subsidy Definition Investopedia

Sorry, but that definition is just plain wrong. Tax cuts are not subsidies. They never have been.

So the tax credits in Obamacare are aren't subsidies?
Why do you suppose they call them that?

 

[bripat9643]

Under current regulations, coal companies pay royalties on the first sale to another company after mining coal on federal land. The coal then can be bought and sold multiple times until it reaches a final destination and is sold to an end user, such as a power plant where it is burned for electricity. By building up hundreds of subsidiaries, coal companies have been able to sell to their own companies and partners, allegedly paying royalties based on an artificially low sale price. The CAP analysis presents evidence that captive transactions are common practice in the coal industry and regularly exploited to evade royalty payments and maximize subsidies.

Reducing your taxes is not a subsidy, moron. You can argue they aren't paying their share of taxes, but you can't call that a subsidy.

Hmm.....

1. DEFINITION of 'Subsidy' A benefit given by the government to groups or individuals usually in the form of a cash payment or taxreduction. The subsidy is usually given to remove some type of burden and is often considered to be in the interest of the public.

Subsidy Definition Investopedia

Sorry, but that definition is just plain wrong. Tax cuts are not subsidies. They never have been.

So the tax credits in Obamacare are aren't subsidies?
Why do you suppose they call them that?

They aren't tax credits. They are bonafide subsidies.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Hopefully, evangelical right wingers will...at least.....find some validity in the Christian Science Monitor's article.....

Oil and gas: $41 billion
President Obama wants Congress to chop $3.6 billion in 2012 oil and gas tax breaks for a total of $46.2 billion over the next decade. Among Mr. Obama’s targets: a nearly century-old oil and gas industry tax deduction for the costs of preparing drill sites and a manufacturer's tax break granted the oil industry in 2004.
The number is significant, but still little more than one-tenth of the federal subsidies that oil and gas companies might receive over 10 years. Adjusted for inflation, they currently receive about $41 billion in annual subsidies annually. That amounts to more than half – 52 percent – of total benefits distributed to energy sectors by the federal government.
Coal: $8 billion
In second place among fossil fuels, the US coal industry reaps about $8 billion in subsidies annually – or about 10 percent of total federal largess. This includes tax breaks, as well as hundreds of millions of dollars on research into carbon capture and storage.
Those figures mean that subsidies to industries involved in fossil fuels total about $52 billion when adjusted for inflation – about two-thirds all federal energy subsidies.

a nearly century-old oil and gas industry tax deduction for the costs of preparing drill sites

Why shouldn't oil companies get to write off this business expense?

the US coal industry reaps about $8 billion in subsidies annually – or about 10 percent of total federal largess. This includes tax breaks,

Ohhh, tax breaks. Thanks for the precise details. LOL! Idiots.

as well as hundreds of millions of dollars on research into carbon capture and storage.

I agree, we should stop wasting money on this stupid idea. End the solar and wind subsidies and the ethanol mandates too.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Reducing your taxes is not a subsidy, moron. You can argue they aren't paying their share of taxes, but you can't call that a subsidy.

Hmm.....

1. DEFINITION of 'Subsidy' A benefit given by the government to groups or individuals usually in the form of a cash payment or taxreduction. The subsidy is usually given to remove some type of burden and is often considered to be in the interest of the public.

Subsidy Definition Investopedia

Cheating on your taxes is not a subsidy.

Hmm...

Breaking It Down: Oil-Industry Tax Breaks
Breaking It Down Oil-Industry Tax Breaks - NationalJournal.com

Thanks for the list of things that aren't subsidies.

So a tax break is a subsidy and energy companies get tax breaks ,but they aren't subsidies?

I know it sucks to find out you have been lied to but don't worry the grief will pass.

So a tax break is a subsidy

Writing off a business expense, which all businesses do, is not an oil company subsidy.

I know it sucks to find out you have been lied to

Liberals lie to me all the time.
Like on this thread, they lied about oil subsidies.
But their lies don't fool me.

 

[nat4900]

Its hard to "win" an argument with a bunch of folks that refuse to acknowledge REALITY.....but, then, it wasn't expected from right wing, dingbats.

Don't forget, these are the same folks who do NOT believe in human's involvement in global warming (science is for sissies, they say)
.....and still believe in the metaphorical Adam and Eve story of how we came about (the hell with evolution, that is for sissies also.)

 

[Kondor3]

1. Relief for distressed homeowners at the onset of his first term.

2. Downsizing our presence in Iraq - before the Status of Forces problem.

3. Killing Osama bin Laden.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Under current regulations, coal companies pay royalties on the first sale to another company after mining coal on federal land. The coal then can be bought and sold multiple times until it reaches a final destination and is sold to an end user, such as a power plant where it is burned for electricity. By building up hundreds of subsidiaries, coal companies have been able to sell to their own companies and partners, allegedly paying royalties based on an artificially low sale price. The CAP analysis presents evidence that captive transactions are common practice in the coal industry and regularly exploited to evade royalty payments and maximize subsidies.

Reducing your taxes is not a subsidy, moron. You can argue they aren't paying their share of taxes, but you can't call that a subsidy.

Hmm.....

1. DEFINITION of 'Subsidy' A benefit given by the government to groups or individuals usually in the form of a cash payment or taxreduction. The subsidy is usually given to remove some type of burden and is often considered to be in the interest of the public.

Subsidy Definition Investopedia

Sorry, but that definition is just plain wrong. Tax cuts are not subsidies. They never have been.

So the tax credits in Obamacare are aren't subsidies?
Why do you suppose they call them that?

They aren't tax credits. They are bonafide subsidies.

Hmm...

 

[nat4900]

Hmm.....

1. DEFINITION of 'Subsidy' A benefit given by the government to groups or individuals usually in the form of a cash payment or taxreduction. The subsidy is usually given to remove some type of burden and is often considered to be in the interest of the public.

Subsidy Definition Investopedia

Cheating on your taxes is not a subsidy.

Hmm...

Breaking It Down: Oil-Industry Tax Breaks
Breaking It Down Oil-Industry Tax Breaks - NationalJournal.com

Thanks for the list of things that aren't subsidies.

So a tax break is a subsidy and energy companies get tax breaks ,but they aren't subsidies?

I know it sucks to find out you have been lied to but don't worry the grief will pass.

So a tax break is a subsidy

Writing off a business expense, which all businesses do, is not an oil company subsidy.

I know it sucks to find out you have been lied to

Liberals lie to me all the time.
Like on this thread, they lied about oil subsidies.
But their lies don't fool me.

Well, perhaps we can settle with the old, toma-toe...tomay-toe axiom.....

When can we begin calling some campaign contributions, bribes?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Cheating on your taxes is not a subsidy.

Hmm...

Breaking It Down: Oil-Industry Tax Breaks
Breaking It Down Oil-Industry Tax Breaks - NationalJournal.com

Thanks for the list of things that aren't subsidies.

So a tax break is a subsidy and energy companies get tax breaks ,but they aren't subsidies?

I know it sucks to find out you have been lied to but don't worry the grief will pass.

So a tax break is a subsidy

Writing off a business expense, which all businesses do, is not an oil company subsidy.

I know it sucks to find out you have been lied to

Liberals lie to me all the time.
Like on this thread, they lied about oil subsidies.
But their lies don't fool me.

Well, perhaps we can settle with the old, toma-toe...tomay-toe axiom.....

When can we begin calling some campaign contributions, bribes?

Citizens United took it way past bribes.

 

[nat4900]

Hmm...

Breaking It Down: Oil-Industry Tax Breaks
Breaking It Down Oil-Industry Tax Breaks - NationalJournal.com

Thanks for the list of things that aren't subsidies.

So a tax break is a subsidy and energy companies get tax breaks ,but they aren't subsidies?

I know it sucks to find out you have been lied to but don't worry the grief will pass.

So a tax break is a subsidy

Writing off a business expense, which all businesses do, is not an oil company subsidy.

I know it sucks to find out you have been lied to

Liberals lie to me all the time.
Like on this thread, they lied about oil subsidies.
But their lies don't fool me.

Well, perhaps we can settle with the old, toma-toe...tomay-toe axiom.....

When can we begin calling some campaign contributions, bribes?

Citizens United took it way past bribes.

Your posts give me some hope that this forum is not completely dominated by right wing zealots.....Thanks.