A Black Farmer Blows the Whistle on Pigford

[Lonestar_logic]

I hate to tell you yu izz as stupid as yankeeedud but you izz,, this is not about subsidies.

My apologies for getting off topic, I felt I had to at least attempt to educate some of these dumbasses about farm subsidies.

The census shows there were 33,000 black farmers, but 94,000 claims were filed. It doesn't take a genius to know something isn't right.

Lawmakers Warn $1.2 Billion Payout to Black Farmers Rife With Fraud - FoxNews.com

 

[VaYank5150]

For the ignorant:

Seems some of you have no idea the importance of farm subsidies so let me try to explain.

Farm subsidies are key to a stable food supply and low prices. The subsidies are not designed to be a windfall for farmers but to support farmers when commodities fall below certain levels. They are not permanent income, payments stops when prices rise above a specified level.

Bottom line is you can't have lower food cost without a constant food supply and you can't have a constant supply without subsidies.

FTR, G.W. Bush tried to end federal farm subsidies, but failed.

So, in other words, "farm subsidies" is a Socialistic practice, but because it helps "farmers", it is OK. Got it. I sure wish you "conservatives" applied your Socialist meter to things evenly. It would make it much easier for the rest of us to keep up.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

You dumbshit. Farm subsidies is EXACTLY "out and out bald face fraud".....I so wish their was an IQ test people had to pass before they could post here. Showing how uneducated you are and how stupid you look, obviously is not enough of a deterrent for you.

No it's not fraud, a subsidized farming industry helps in creating a stable farming infrastructure and farms are important if you wish to continue eating.

BTW over 70 percent of Texas farmers do not receive farm subsidies.

They are paid to 'not' grow food, not given support to grow food.

That's not part of farm subsidies, that was a program called the Conservation Reserve Program. It was designed in the mid-80's to hold down production and bolster prices. The program was a boon for conservation.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

For the ignorant:

Seems some of you have no idea the importance of farm subsidies so let me try to explain.

Farm subsidies are key to a stable food supply and low prices. The subsidies are not designed to be a windfall for farmers but to support farmers when commodities fall below certain levels. They are not permanent income, payments stops when prices rise above a specified level.

Bottom line is you can't have lower food cost without a constant food supply and you can't have a constant supply without subsidies.

FTR, G.W. Bush tried to end federal farm subsidies, but failed.

So, in other words, "farm subsidies" is a Socialistic practice, but because it helps "farmers", it is OK. Got it. I sure wish you "conservatives" applied your Socialist meter to things evenly. It would make it much easier for the rest of us to keep up.

It helps anyone who eats. It helps keeps prices low and food supply steady.

 

[VaYank5150]

For the ignorant:

Seems some of you have no idea the importance of farm subsidies so let me try to explain.

Farm subsidies are key to a stable food supply and low prices. The subsidies are not designed to be a windfall for farmers but to support farmers when commodities fall below certain levels. They are not permanent income, payments stops when prices rise above a specified level.

Bottom line is you can't have lower food cost without a constant food supply and you can't have a constant supply without subsidies.

FTR, G.W. Bush tried to end federal farm subsidies, but failed.

So, in other words, "farm subsidies" is a Socialistic practice, but because it helps "farmers", it is OK. Got it. I sure wish you "conservatives" applied your Socialist meter to things evenly. It would make it much easier for the rest of us to keep up.

It helps anyone who eats. It helps keeps prices low and food supply steady.

On the back of our government, and yours and my taxes. i.e., Socialism, right?

 

[The Outsider]

So, in other words, "farm subsidies" is a Socialistic practice, but because it helps "farmers", it is OK. Got it. I sure wish you "conservatives" applied your Socialist meter to things evenly. It would make it much easier for the rest of us to keep up.

It helps anyone who eats. It helps keeps prices low and food supply steady.

On the back of our government, and yours and my taxes. i.e., Socialism, right?

Its called protectionism not socialism. Still the capitalistic market...

 

[Lonestar_logic]

So, in other words, "farm subsidies" is a Socialistic practice, but because it helps "farmers", it is OK. Got it. I sure wish you "conservatives" applied your Socialist meter to things evenly. It would make it much easier for the rest of us to keep up.

It helps anyone who eats. It helps keeps prices low and food supply steady.

On the back of our government, and yours and my taxes. i.e., Socialism, right?

No I wouldn't call it socialism since we subsidize farmers and we reap the beneifts of those subsidies. However, not all social programs are neccesarily bad, but many are abused. Would you rather subsidize farms are pay more for food? Either way, you pay.

 

[Truthmatters]

Back to the OP , this is brietbart folks.

He lies all day long

 

[boedicca]

TM continues her determined and misguided quest to deny reality.

This scam has been well known for some time.

The census showed less than 40,000 black farmers from the relevant time period. More than twice that many claims were filed and are now being paid.

It's a backdoor reparations program, courtesy of the Obama Administration.

http://pajamasmedia.com/zombie/2010/07/27/pigford-v-glickman-86000-claims-from-39697-total-farmers/

 

[VaYank5150]

It helps anyone who eats. It helps keeps prices low and food supply steady.

On the back of our government, and yours and my taxes. i.e., Socialism, right?

No I wouldn't call it socialism since we subsidize farmers and we reap the beneifts of those subsidies. However, not all social programs are neccesarily bad, but many are abused. Would you rather subsidize farms are pay more for food? Either way, you pay.

I would rather pay more for my own food as opposed to paying the government to subsidize huge corporate farm conglomerates who have been gaming the system for years.

 

[BlindBoo]

Brietphart? You've got to be a real loon to beleive anything published by that piece of human excrement. If you have fallen for his bull-shit again I suspect it is on purpose. But if you have an open mind.........

Breitbart, Sherrod and Pigford vs. Glickman

There are reliable bloggers, and there are unreliable bloggers. A reliable blogger tracks down answers instead of making ignorant accusations. For example, a good place for a blogger with questions to start would have been this 2006 Government Accountability Office report. Right on the first page you can see that the court didn't rely on the census to determine Pigford claimant eligibility:

As used in this report, the phrase “African-American farmers” refers to the class as defined by the court and not a more general definition. The certified class was defined as all African-American farmers who (1) farmed or attempted to farm between January 1, 1981, and December 31, 1996; (2) applied to USDA during that period for loans or benefits and believe they were discriminated against in USDA’s response to that application; and (3) filed a discrimination complaint on or before July 1, 1997, regarding USDA’s treatment of their applications.
Anyone who wanted a full understanding of how exactly 400 farmers exploded into 86,000 before blogging like a juvenile knee-jerk lunkhead could have read this transcript of the 2004 Judiciary Committe hearing on the "notice" provision in the Pigford vs. Glickman consent decree. Honey, I know it's 300 pages, but if you can't take 10 minutes to skim through it, you don't have any business blogging about it.

Another report that would have been helpful to a blogger looking for answers is this April 21, 2010 Congressional Research Service report. This report details the evolution of "Pigford II" which was launched by the 2008 Farm Bill. Don't thank Barack Obama for Pigford II, thank Republican Senator Charles Grassley for sponsoring this bill in the 110th congress, or thank Republican Senator George Allen for sponsoring it in the 109th congress.

If you wanted to blog accurately about Pigford you could have also interviewed an actual claimant. You can read such an interview at Salon.com.

Apparently collecting the facts is too difficult an exercise for some folks. No, after making wild accusations and relying on a couple of irresponsible paranoid bloggers for "facts," the tinfoil-hat-wearing author of the viral email below makes stabs at both NPR and Snopes.com. Ain't that something? A proven ignoramus and/or liar attacking NPR and Snopes.com for not reporting on his load of made-up black farmer census conspiracy B.S.



Honey, I hope you'll take a couple of lessons away from this unfortunate episode. First off, don't get caught up in these ridiculous TV and radio talker stampedes. Second, learn how to spot liars, frauds and nincompoops trying to pass themselves off as investigative reporters. --Granny, 8/10/2010

 

[Two Thumbs]

No it's not fraud, a subsidized farming industry helps in creating a stable farming infrastructure and farms are important if you wish to continue eating.

BTW over 70 percent of Texas farmers do not receive farm subsidies.

They are paid to 'not' grow food, not given support to grow food.

That's not part of farm subsidies, that was a program called the Conservation Reserve Program. It was designed in the mid-80's to hold down production and bolster prices. The program was a boon for conservation.

Seems like a ketchup/catsoup argument. It basically the same thing. Farmers getting money from us to do thier job that they get paid for by us when we buy thier product.

It's the same thing as giving money to Amtrak and GM.

fyi, the farmers made a bundle in the 80's. 2-3 times a week a local farmer came to my dads bar and bought rounds for the house b/c some fed gov moron just paid them hugh chunks, and will keep paying them for 20 years not to plant crops.

But the biggest laugh was, they all new that pine trees take 20 years to mature, so they planted those instead.

Farm subs, loans from the government just b/c, for anything needed to stop decades ago. If a farmer can't farm at a profit, then he needs to stop farming.

 

[Two Thumbs]

On the back of our government, and yours and my taxes. i.e., Socialism, right?

No I wouldn't call it socialism since we subsidize farmers and we reap the beneifts of those subsidies. However, not all social programs are neccesarily bad, but many are abused. Would you rather subsidize farms are pay more for food? Either way, you pay.

I would rather pay more for my own food as opposed to paying the government to subsidize huge corporate farm conglomerates who have been gaming the system for years.

Same here. All subs and entitlments need to be cut down or cut off. The less the government owes the stronger our dollar is.

 

[teapartysamurai]

Taking a long hard look at ALL farm subsidies seems like a good idea.

MOST of that money goes to fortune 500 AGRI-Corporations, of course, so don't count on us EVER solving that mess

This isn't about farm subsidies. This is about out and out bald faced fraud.

You dumbshit. Farm subsidies is EXACTLY "out and out bald face fraud".....I so wish their was an IQ test people had to pass before they could post here. Showing how uneducated you are and how stupid you look, obviously is not enough of a deterrent for you.

I quite disagree.

People like you screaming obscenties leave no doubt about intelligence or lack thereof. No test needed, whatsoever.

As far as farm subsidies vs. Pigford.

I think you misunderstand Willow's point.

This isn't about susidizing farms, since most of the money obviously ISN'T going to farmers. It's just going out under that rationale.

I don't think you will get an argument that farm subsidies need to go. However, addressing farm subsidies has very little to do with Pigford. You don't subsidize farms, paying money to drug dealers.

 

[teapartysamurai]

Faux outrage, is fun, TPS, eh?

How about proving there is fraud before exclaiming there is?

And Editec, I agree....all farm subsidies should be looked in to, or better yet....ceased.

It's getting more and more obvious there is fraud involved since there is a finite number of black farmers in the country but the LIST of RECIPIENTS keeps growing.

I mean this isn't rocket science. If I'm some welfare mom and I have two kids, BUT I'm receiving checks for EIGHT KIDS, obviously there is fraud going on. (and before some idiot liberal says it, NO I don't receive a dime from the government for anything)

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZbR7lJ-tgk[/ame]

It's all about the numbers.

 

[teapartysamurai]

Breitbart???????


what the fuck is it with you cons believing poeple who have been proven to LIE to you for political purposes???

Oh yeah YOU would know what is a lie, right?????????

 

[teapartysamurai]

More claimants than Farmers:

Former Secretary of Agriculture: More Claims Than Farmers; No One Fired at USDA: Something Just Doesn?t Add Up! - Big Government

I mean you libs can talk about discrimination all you want.

I have no doubt there was discrimination.

Was it NINETY-FOUR THOUSAND CLAIMANTS Worth????????

And that out of 18,000 black farmers??????

Hellooooooooooooooooooooo, the numbers do NOT add up!

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZbR7lJ-tgk[/ame]

 

[KissMy]

Do you smell a Rat?

Marxist Maxine Waters is Proud of Pigford !!!

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_pNZic9kSE"]Waters is Proud of Pigford[/ame]

 

[VaYank5150]

No I wouldn't call it socialism since we subsidize farmers and we reap the beneifts of those subsidies. However, not all social programs are neccesarily bad, but many are abused. Would you rather subsidize farms are pay more for food? Either way, you pay.

I would rather pay more for my own food as opposed to paying the government to subsidize huge corporate farm conglomerates who have been gaming the system for years.

Same here. All subs and entitlments need to be cut down or cut off. The less the government owes the stronger our dollar is.

If we are subsidizing the farmers for food that we "need"...I put quotes around need because we can import everything that we grow here, why didn't we subsidize our textile industry before the "job creators" shipped all of those jobs overseas? Why didn't we subsidize our steel industry before the "job creators" shipped most of those jobs overseas? Why didn't we subsidize...oh, you get my point, now answer the question, please.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

On the back of our government, and yours and my taxes. i.e., Socialism, right?

No I wouldn't call it socialism since we subsidize farmers and we reap the beneifts of those subsidies. However, not all social programs are neccesarily bad, but many are abused. Would you rather subsidize farms are pay more for food? Either way, you pay.

I would rather pay more for my own food as opposed to paying the government to subsidize huge corporate farm conglomerates who have been gaming the system for years.

I believe most subsidies goes to family farms. Those with an average of 300 acres.

And quite honestly, I don't give a fuck what you'd rather do.