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Demacracy can be bad, it depends on what the majority want.
The brotherhood sounds like a mafia group or something with their own ambitions aside from democracy.
Perhaps a new boss same as the old boss scenario?
Obama really has to walk a fine line with this thing.
30 January 11
Leading Egyptian opposition figure Mohamed ElBaradei has joined thousands of protesters in Cairo defying a curfew to demand President Mubarak stand down.
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Mr ElBaradei, however, has said Washington is losing credibility by talking of democracy while still supporting a president viewed by Egyptians as oppressive.
Others carried placards denouncing U.S. "hypocrisy." CNN's Nic Robertson reported from Alexandria that demonstrators there wanted the U.S. administration to be much firmer toward Mubarak. "They want the U.S. to side with the people who are demonstrating on the streets ... this is a very strong message we've seen today," he reported. Protesters also claimed that Mubarak had sold out the Palestinians because of Washington's influence.
U.S. diplomatic cables from the last two years -- recently published by WikiLeaks -- may have added to that sense of disillusionment. While they show the U.S. administration has raised human rights issues in private, including torture of prisoners and the detention of bloggers, they also show a wariness about antagonizing Mubarak by airing the issue in public.
One cable ahead of a visit to Egypt by General David Petraeus in 2009 said the United States now avoided "the public confrontations that had become routine over the past several years." Another, from U.S. Ambassador Margaret Scobey in 2009 also touched on pressure to improve human rights, saying: "Mubarak takes this issue personally, and it makes him seethe when we raise it, particularly in public."
One Egyptian news editor said that in a society where information was hard to come by, the leaked cables were illuminating; last week some of the newest cables to be released were reportedly being faxed to opposition activists in Cairo.
Egyptian disappointment with U.S. likely to increase - Page 2 - CNN
Senior Israeli government officials have been strict in maintaining a silence regarding the events in Egypt, and have also been hesitant about criticizing – at least publicly – US President Barack Obama’s stand toward the developments there.
Privately, however, some have expressed deep concern at what they view as the hypocritical abandonment by the US of a longtime ally once he seemed to be in trouble, with one official saying that while America believes pushing Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak out would lead to a democratic government, the more likely scenario was that this would lead to an Islamist regime even worse on issues like human rights and freedom than Mubarak.
Israeli critics open up on US ?abandonment' of Mubarak
International diplomacy is not an easy thing..Just goes to show how naive people are to think those Wiki leaks don't matter...
We stood behind Mubarak all these years because he is the lesser of two evils. Now some want to paint us as hypocrites over supporting him for so long...While those who know the real dangers over there were looking for us to stand behind him in the middle of that uprising and are now angry that we didn't, as if it was ever up to us?
We are set up as damned if we do and damned if we don't.
Stuck between a rock and a hard place, what else could we do at that make point, but make blanket statements focusing less on Mubarak the man and more on supporting democracy and human rights in general........?
30 January 11
Leading Egyptian opposition figure Mohamed ElBaradei has joined thousands of protesters in Cairo defying a curfew to demand President Mubarak stand down.
...
Mr ElBaradei, however, has said Washington is losing credibility by talking of democracy while still supporting a president viewed by Egyptians as oppressive.
Others carried placards denouncing U.S. "hypocrisy." CNN's Nic Robertson reported from Alexandria that demonstrators there wanted the U.S. administration to be much firmer toward Mubarak. "They want the U.S. to side with the people who are demonstrating on the streets ... this is a very strong message we've seen today," he reported. Protesters also claimed that Mubarak had sold out the Palestinians because of Washington's influence.
U.S. diplomatic cables from the last two years -- recently published by WikiLeaks -- may have added to that sense of disillusionment. While they show the U.S. administration has raised human rights issues in private, including torture of prisoners and the detention of bloggers, they also show a wariness about antagonizing Mubarak by airing the issue in public.
One cable ahead of a visit to Egypt by General David Petraeus in 2009 said the United States now avoided "the public confrontations that had become routine over the past several years." Another, from U.S. Ambassador Margaret Scobey in 2009 also touched on pressure to improve human rights, saying: "Mubarak takes this issue personally, and it makes him seethe when we raise it, particularly in public."
One Egyptian news editor said that in a society where information was hard to come by, the leaked cables were illuminating; last week some of the newest cables to be released were reportedly being faxed to opposition activists in Cairo.
Egyptian disappointment with U.S. likely to increase - Page 2 - CNN
Senior Israeli government officials have been strict in maintaining a silence regarding the events in Egypt, and have also been hesitant about criticizing – at least publicly – US President Barack Obama’s stand toward the developments there.
Privately, however, some have expressed deep concern at what they view as the hypocritical abandonment by the US of a longtime ally once he seemed to be in trouble, with one official saying that while America believes pushing Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak out would lead to a democratic government, the more likely scenario was that this would lead to an Islamist regime even worse on issues like human rights and freedom than Mubarak.
Israeli critics open up on US ?abandonment' of Mubarak
He's using the Ikhwan as an excuse to stay in power. They aren't attempting a takeover (and would be promptly put down by the military if they did) and are among the many individuals and groups demanding a transitional unity government.
Where does the money, with which the Muslim Brotherhood operates comes from?
The business of World media is a daily business.
Due to the demonstrations in Egypt, world media attention lies on Egypt.
Mubarak wants the focus gone, so his regime can return to 'business as usual'.
The demonstrators are right to demand Mubarrak's immediate stepping down from his position. They've risked a lot, and if they stop their protests now and accept Mubarrak's solution that Mubarak will continue to lead the country until September, then the regime might use the time to crack-down on the demonstrators and secure the survival of the regime.
Police, Intelligence organizations will do a 'what has gone wrong'-commission and will ensure, that it won't happen again.
Demacracy can be bad, it depends on what the majority want.
The brotherhood sounds like a mafia group or something with their own ambitions aside from democracy.
Perhaps a new boss same as the old boss scenario?
It will more than likely be new boss worse than old boss scenario.
Demacracy can be bad, it depends on what the majority want.
The brotherhood sounds like a mafia group or something with their own ambitions aside from democracy.
Perhaps a new boss same as the old boss scenario?
It will more than likely be new boss worse than old boss scenario.
There could very well be an American hating government to emerge if this isn't done right.
Also, seeing how we are standing on the sidelines....we may very well lose credibility with other countries in that region.
Obama really has to walk a fine line with this thing.
International diplomacy is not an easy thing..Just goes to show how naive people are to think those Wiki leaks don't matter...
We stood behind Mubarak all these years because he is the lesser of two evils. Now some want to paint us as hypocrites over supporting him for so long...While those who know the real dangers over there were looking for us to stand behind him in the middle of that uprising and are now angry that we didn't, as if it was ever up to us?
We are set up as damned if we do and damned if we don't.
Stuck between a rock and a hard place, what else could we do at that make point, but make blanket statements focusing less on Mubarak the man and more on supporting democracy and human rights in general........?
30 January 11
Leading Egyptian opposition figure Mohamed ElBaradei has joined thousands of protesters in Cairo defying a curfew to demand President Mubarak stand down.
...
Mr ElBaradei, however, has said Washington is losing credibility by talking of democracy while still supporting a president viewed by Egyptians as oppressive.
Senior Israeli government officials have been strict in maintaining a silence regarding the events in Egypt, and have also been hesitant about criticizing at least publicly US President Barack Obamas stand toward the developments there.
Privately, however, some have expressed deep concern at what they view as the hypocritical abandonment by the US of a longtime ally once he seemed to be in trouble, with one official saying that while America believes pushing Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak out would lead to a democratic government, the more likely scenario was that this would lead to an Islamist regime even worse on issues like human rights and freedom than Mubarak.
Israeli critics open up on US ?abandonment' of Mubarak
Yup,isn't aggressive Foreign Interventionism just great? We're always gonna be "Evil America" in these Hellholes. It wont matter who replaces Mubarak in Egypt. We'll still be "Evil America" in the end.
These Hellholes just love taking our cash & weapons while smiling to our face. But on the streets it's all about that "Evil America" stuff.
They play us much more than we play them.
The Arabs especially,are great at snookering us on Foreign Aid. The Pakistanis are great at it too. They take the cash but as soon as things go to shite in their Hellholes,it quickly becomes all about blaming that "Evil Imperialist America." But hey,we wanted to be an Empire and this is the result.
Aggressive Foreign Interventionism just doesn't work in the end. Time for some radical changes in our Foreign Policy.
Seriously, like they give a crap in the scheme of things...? Oil and gold.............$1.5 B is not that much dinero really...So take it away...give it to the States, Amen.
