92% of Jews are khazars!

[hipeter924]

I say if they have been Jewish for 1300 years, then they are Jewish.

Big deal.

Well actually Jews only have to have lived there 600 years to defeat the retarded Arabs have always been there bullshit, and since they have been there and been Jewish for thousands, that's enough.

I'm referring to the "Well they're Khazars so they're not real JOOOOOOS" argument.

I don't care where they live.

Well its the lefts usual subject to moan about, before that they largely just moaned about the evil corporations and businessmen and how America is evil because it doesn't want to become a communist workers state with Al Gore as supreme soviet asshole.

 

[editec]

They're not, but again I agree.

Uhhh, genetic tests prove that they are semitic, and from israel originally.

News to me. Can you link us to a source of this revelation, please?

Are facts important to anyone in this thread?

They are to me.

That's why I am seeking clarification and documentation of this "fact" you brought to our attention.

And speaking of frauds, how is it that the vast majority of pal arabs came from syria and egypt - but are not considered colonizers?

The Arabs of Palestine are without doubt colonizers...Islam took over what originally had been the ROMAN empire.

And when it did, there were JEWS living in Ireal at the time.

And FWIW, there have always been Jews living in Isreal, even when the population was in the vast majority people of Arab semetic origins.

Who disputes that?

Nobody I know (on either side of the debate) who studies this issue really debates these facts.

They quibble over how many jews, live in Palestine in 1917, of course, but not that there were Jews living there.

FWIW there's have been a LOT more Jews living in Palestine in 1917 if the CHRISTIAN CRUSADERS hadn't killed so many of Jews (and Arabs, too) when the Crusaders took over the place and slaughtered the original inhabitants.

 

[hipeter924]

They're not, but again I agree.

Uhhh, genetic tests prove that they are semitic, and from israel originally.

News to me. Can you link us to a source of this revelation, please?

Are facts important to anyone in this thread?

They are to me.

That's why I am seeking clarification and documentation of this "fact" you brought to our attention.

And speaking of frauds, how is it that the vast majority of pal arabs came from syria and egypt - but are not considered colonizers?

The Arabs of Palestine are without doubt colonizers...Islam took over what originally had been the ROMAN empire.

And when it did, there were JEWS living in Ireal at the time.

And FWIW, there have always been Jews living in Isreal, even when the population was in the vast majority people of Arab semetic origins.

Who disputes that?

Nobody I know (on either side of the debate) who studies this issue really debates these facts.

They quibble over how many jews, live in Palestine in 1917, of course, but not that there were Jews living there.

FWIW there's have been a LOT more Jews living in Palestine in 1917 if the CHRISTIAN CRUSADERS hadn't killed so many of Jews (and Arabas, too) when the Crusaders took over the place and booted all the original inhabitants out.

Well the true solution is either two secular states or one secular state, but the left is too busy trying to give Iran nuclear weapons so it can destroy Israel, and arming Palestinians in Gaza for a communist revolution failing to realize that Palestinians are not Cubans or communists, and that Israel is not defenseless.

 

[jillian]

Well actually Jews only have to have lived there 600 years to defeat the retarded Arabs have always been there bullshit, and since they have been there and been Jewish for thousands, that's enough.

I'm referring to the "Well they're Khazars so they're not real JOOOOOOS" argument.

I don't care where they live.

Well its the lefts usual subject to moan about, before that they largely just moaned about the evil corporations and businessmen and how America is evil because it doesn't want to become a communist workers state with Al Gore as supreme soviet asshole.

if you'd take your focus off of the 'left/right' issue and place it where it should be... which is disinformation and a double standard applied to israel's behavior, then perhaps you'd be more accurate.

the reality is that the extreme right AND extreme left hate israel. ignoring that for partisan purpose is silly.

 

[hipeter924]

I'm referring to the "Well they're Khazars so they're not real JOOOOOOS" argument.

I don't care where they live.

Well its the lefts usual subject to moan about, before that they largely just moaned about the evil corporations and businessmen and how America is evil because it doesn't want to become a communist workers state with Al Gore as supreme soviet asshole.

if you'd take your focus off of the 'left/right' issue and place it where it should be... which is disinformation and a double standard applied to israel's behavior, then perhaps you'd be more accurate.

the reality is that the extreme right AND extreme left hate israel. ignoring that for partisan purpose is silly.

With that removed, your statement is correct as virtually all socialists, left wing centralist's don't like Israel. If you add up by percentage all the groups who don't like Israel, they are predominately on the left.

 

[rhodescholar]

I would say that anyone who moved to Palestine to be Palestinian, a part of the existing culture, would be an immigrant. Anyone who moved to Palestine to live as part of a separate entity would be a colonizer. So you can take it from there.

And then ****, what would you call someone who was expelled/ethnically cleansed from every other nation - and has no where else to go? Jews have been thrown out of christian and muslim countries for almost 2,000 years.

I find it hilarious that the same assholes egging on policies of ethnic cleansing against jews around the world suddenly cannot understand why jews need to find a safe haven...

Or is this whole BS just cover for your hopes and dreams that all jews should just be slaughtered, isn't it moron?

 

[P F Tinmore]

I would say that anyone who moved to Palestine to be Palestinian, a part of the existing culture, would be an immigrant. Anyone who moved to Palestine to live as part of a separate entity would be a colonizer. So you can take it from there.

And then ****, what would you call someone who was expelled/ethnically cleansed from every other nation - and has no where else to go? Jews have been thrown out of christian and muslim countries for almost 2,000 years.

I find it hilarious that the same assholes egging on policies of ethnic cleansing against jews around the world suddenly cannot understand why jews need to find a safe haven...

Or is this whole BS just cover for your hopes and dreams that all jews should just be slaughtered, isn't it moron?

When the Muslims and Jews were kicked out of Spain in 1492, many of both went to Palestine where the lived in peace with the Muslims, Christian and Jews who were already living there.

Jews lived throughout the Arab world for thousands of years and Palestine was no exception. If it were not for the creation of Israel they would probably still be living in those countries.

 

[rhodescholar]

News to me. Can you link us to a source of this revelation, please?

Khazars - Definition

"Genetic testing has disproven that Ashkenazi Jews are primarily descended from the Khazars, but some admixture is highly probable..."

http://www.familytreedna.com/pdf/HammerPNAS_2000.pdf

"In summary, the combined results suggest that a major portion of NRY biallelic diversity present in most of the contemporary Jewish communities surveyed here traces to a common Middle Eastern source population several thousand years ago. The implication is that this source population included a large number of distinct paternal and maternal lineages, reflecting genetic variation established in the Middle East at that time. In turn, this source diversity has been maintained within Jewish communities, despite numerous migrations during the Diaspora and long-term residence as isolated subpopulations in numerous geographic locations outside of the Middle East."

 

[rhodescholar]

1j When the Muslims and Jews were kicked out of Spain in 1492,

The muslims had muslim nations to go to - what did the jews have?

many of both went to Palestine where the lived in peace with the Muslims, Christian and Jews who were already living there.

False, fucking idiot imbecile. The jews who went to the area that became israel were still heavily persecuted, but i wouldn't expect an idiot to know their history.

Jews lived throughout the Arab world for thousands of years and Palestine was no exception. If it were not for the creation of Israel they would probably still be living in those countries.

And they were murdered, oppressed and treated like trash in those arab muslim countries. Did you know that, asshole?

 

[Neubarth]

Even jewish historian confirm that diaspora is a myth, actual jews are mostly non-semites, they were just judaised lately in 8th century.

Nothing but lies. DNA is all the proof you need that the Jews are the Jews from Israel.

 

[hipeter924]

I would say that anyone who moved to Palestine to be Palestinian, a part of the existing culture, would be an immigrant. Anyone who moved to Palestine to live as part of a separate entity would be a colonizer. So you can take it from there.

And then ****, what would you call someone who was expelled/ethnically cleansed from every other nation - and has no where else to go? Jews have been thrown out of christian and muslim countries for almost 2,000 years.

I find it hilarious that the same assholes egging on policies of ethnic cleansing against jews around the world suddenly cannot understand why jews need to find a safe haven...

Or is this whole BS just cover for your hopes and dreams that all jews should just be slaughtered, isn't it moron?

When the Muslims and Jews were kicked out of Spain in 1492, many of both went to Palestine where the lived in peace with the Muslims, Christian and Jews who were already living there.

Jews lived throughout the Arab world for thousands of years and Palestine was no exception. If it were not for the creation of Israel they would probably still be living in those countries.

Where did you learn this, Disney world? Even your Islamic terrorist friends would disagree with that assessment.*

*Not that they would say it if they could trick some stupid westerner.