911 terrorists to be tried in NYC

[WillowTree]

was it a crime scene or a battlefield? DUmmie!

BOTH, asshat. It was a crime to invade the sovereign nation of Iraq in the first place as we had not declared war on them, nor were they an imminent threat to us. Get it?

You fucking stupid ass bitch......the CONGRESS PASSED A LAW AUTHORIZING THE USE OF FORCE AGAINST IRAQ!!!!! Ge that through your thick fucking skull would you????!!!!

but but but,, the gitmo guys weren't picked up in irawk were thym? tweren't it afghanistani?

 

[Xenophon]

I cannot help but be reminded that all of this is quite similar to arguments made to Honorious about the Visigoths.

The lot of you spend a LOT of time playing semantics.

They have no need of 'trials' as they have over and over stated what they did and why.

Bullet to the brain is all that is needed for each.

And our justice system will be just fine afterward.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

"You must spread some reputation around before giving it to Xenophon again."

Concur!!!!

 

[Maple]

I cannot help but be reminded that all of this is quite similar to arguments made to Honorious about the Visigoths.

The lot of you spend a LOT of time playing semantics.

They have no need of 'trials' as they have over and over stated what they did and why.

Bullet to the brain is all that is needed for each.

And our justice system will be just fine afterward.

No, our justice system will not be just fine after this. Our country is 200 years old and never , not ever before have we granted enemy combatants protection as though they were u.s civilians under our constitution. It will lead to a mockery of our judicial system, it will give the terrorists a stage, and it may just be that these terrorists will be released to do more terror.

All you need is a liberal judge determining that these terrorists rights ( which is now under our constitution) were violated and they could be set free. How's that hope and change workin out for all you libs.

 

[Claudette]

Boy. Talk about a dumb idea. These guys are TERRORISTS and should have been tried long ago. Thats the fault of the military and Bush. Our new leader seems bound and determined to go back to the pre 9-11 days. Hell, he doesn't even call em terrorists. Guys a moron. These people will kill anone, anywhere and are worse than animals in my book.

Civilian court is not the place for this at all. If I were a solder damned if I would take any prisoners. Kill em all. End of problem.

 

[nodoginnafight]

These guys aren't war criminals or enemy combatants - they are lowly criminals and deserve to be treated as such.

This is the right venue - they don't deserve the honor of being treated like soldiers.

 

[manu1959]

BOTH, asshat. It was a crime to invade the sovereign nation of Iraq in the first place as we had not declared war on them, nor were they an imminent threat to us. Get it?

You fucking stupid ass bitch......the CONGRESS PASSED A LAW AUTHORIZING THE USE OF FORCE AGAINST IRAQ!!!!! Ge that through your thick fucking skull would you????!!!!

but but but,, the gitmo guys weren't picked up in irawk were thym? tweren't it afghanistani?

captured on the field of battle....out of uniform after having declared war on the us....question them and shoot them as spies...

 

[bodecea]

Boy. Talk about a dumb idea. These guys are TERRORISTS and should have been tried long ago. Thats the fault of the military and Bush. Our new leader seems bound and determined to go back to the pre 9-11 days. Hell, he doesn't even call em terrorists. Guys a moron. These people will kill anone, anywhere and are worse than animals in my book.

Civilian court is not the place for this at all. If I were a solder damned if I would take any prisoners. Kill em all. End of problem.

Yeah....I think that's an excellent idea. We should have done that in every war we've fought in the past too. Bravo.

Great to be an American right along with you.

 

[VaYank5150]

BOTH, asshat. It was a crime to invade the sovereign nation of Iraq in the first place as we had not declared war on them, nor were they an imminent threat to us. Get it?

You fucking stupid ass bitch......the CONGRESS PASSED A LAW AUTHORIZING THE USE OF FORCE AGAINST IRAQ!!!!! Ge that through your thick fucking skull would you????!!!!

Don't worry about it. It was pure deflection from the fact that there is no precedent for trying war crimes in a civilian court. International law has already recognized that our deposing of a financier of terrorism was legal. There never was a criteria for 'imminent threat' in Congress' authorization to use force.

i.e., we never declared war. Thanks.

 

[Claudette]

Like your idea Manu. Get the info and kill em all. No prisoners. No trials. No problem. Works for me.

 

[Maple]

These guys aren't war criminals or enemy combatants - they are lowly criminals and deserve to be treated as such.

This is the right venue - they don't deserve the honor of being treated like soldiers.

"They don't deserve the honor of being treated like soldiers." Don't worry, they won't be by this adminstration, they will be treated better, maybe a stay in the Lincoln bedroom at the White House. Maybe a beer summit with Obama himself, in attendance.

 

[blastoff]

You fucking stupid ass bitch......the CONGRESS PASSED A LAW AUTHORIZING THE USE OF FORCE AGAINST IRAQ!!!!! Ge that through your thick fucking skull would you????!!!!

but but but,, the gitmo guys weren't picked up in irawk were thym? tweren't it afghanistani?

captured on the field of battle....out of uniform after having declared war on the us....question them and shoot them as spies...

An excellent plan, manu. But might I make one suggestion? Before putting a bullet through their brain show it to them, let 'em see you dip it in pig's blood, watch you put it into the weapon, and then fire the virgin express into their head.

 

[eots]

Like your idea Manu. Get the info and kill em all. No prisoners. No trials. No problem. Works for me.

but thats most likely because you are stupid and cant see past the end of your nose

 

[nodoginnafight]

These guys aren't war criminals or enemy combatants - they are lowly criminals and deserve to be treated as such.

This is the right venue - they don't deserve the honor of being treated like soldiers.

"They don't deserve the honor of being treated like soldiers." Don't worry, they won't be by this adminstration, they will be treated better, maybe a stay in the Lincoln bedroom at the White House. Maybe a beer summit with Obama himself, in attendance.

how terribly witty

I want civilian courts and life sentences at Upstate where they can spend the rest of their days getting the "70 virgins" treatment from huge, well-hung bull queers.

 

[Darkwind]

You fucking stupid ass bitch......the CONGRESS PASSED A LAW AUTHORIZING THE USE OF FORCE AGAINST IRAQ!!!!! Ge that through your thick fucking skull would you????!!!!

Don't worry about it. It was pure deflection from the fact that there is no precedent for trying war crimes in a civilian court. International law has already recognized that our deposing of a financier of terrorism was legal. There never was a criteria for 'imminent threat' in Congress' authorization to use force.

i.e., we never declared war. Thanks.

Oh, your one of those.

In order to declare war, the Congress must use the phrase, "We Declare War" in order for it to be a declared war.

In fact, there is no such requirement and the Authorization to use force is in fact, a declaration of war. Or more specifically, an authorization to resume a conflict that never ended.

None of which has anything to do with trying war criminals in a civilian court. Which should never be permitted.

 

[Liability]

This whole thing stinks. We have a supposed confession from KSM after he was waterboarded 183 times in one month. Still, five years after that they had not been taken to trial. Eight years after that day we are now just putting them on trial? Here's a simple question: How could there have been enough evidence days after 9E to justify invading a whole other country yet not enough evidence to convict even EIGHT YEARS later?

Of course the American haters among us have already decided these guys are guilty so their voices are as useless as they are whiny. But for the rest of us, how can we endorse this trial which is suspect while also not calling for prosecution of those who committed torture?

Let's get real.

The point of using enhanced interrogation on the scumbag rat bastard was NOT to get admissible "evidence" for some criminal justice system "trial." The POINT of using such techniques on the bastard was to GET information. Period. End of fucking story.

If anyone (not saying that you do, necessarily, Curve) actually believes that anything said by the Islamist bastard which we obtained as a result of using "enhanced interrogation" on him is in ANY way going to be usable as evidence against him at some stupid "trial," then perhaps we can discuss your purchase from me of a large bridge in Kings County, NYC, at a very reasonable price.

When his defense attorneys demand the production of "discovery" materials from the Government, and the Government tries to demur on the ground of "classified state secret" or some such basis, riase your hands if you think a judge is going to agree with the government!

Failing that, the government will either have to share our military intelligence secrets with the guy who masterminded the 9/11/2001 attacks against us -- OR -- they will have to respectfully decline the demand for "discovery" which will result in

(a) motions to dismiss the case against the defendant and/or
(b) motions to preclude the USE of any such "evidence" or RELATED MATERIAL against the defendant (which, when coupled with the suppression of pretty much everything the guy ever SAID, is likely to unermine the ability of the prosecutors to mount a prosecution).

Why on Earth we would do this to ourselves remains a huge mystery.

None of it is or should ever have been deemd "necssary." But it all flows from the misbegotten ignorant belief that this was ever a "criminal justice" matter.

Well, the fuck it was. It never was. It still isn't.

President Obama is just a fucking imbecile.

Translation:After you tortured the bastards, you should have shot them--not have a media party demonstrating how "tough" you are!!

But many people think waterboarding is not torture. So evidence collected under duress can be admitted--yeah right.

Mistranslation, you mean.

Anyway, what I said requires no translation from you.

Waterboarding, by the way, still isn't "torture." But the acquisition of such coerced statements need not be acquired by "torture" to be deemed inadmissible as evidence in a criminal trial.

What SHOULD have happened, of course, was that the fuckbubble should have been compelled to give up every fucking scrap of intel WE needed to minimize the threat he and his cohorts represented. Having done so, obviously none of that intel could be used against him in any criminal trial. There should never have been any criminal trial.

He was captured. He was an unlwaful enemy combatant. He should have been detained and HELD in a way similar to how we may legitimately hold captured legal enemy combatants. True, THEY would be POWs and given HIS illegal status HE would NOT be a "POW." Irrelevant to the point. If we could legitimately hold LAWFUL enemy combatnats captured during battle as POWs, there's NO rational reason why we couldn't do the same for the unlwaful variety.

If POWs could be held until the war is over, so too could the illegal enemy combatants.

If the "war" is endless, ok. Their detention is forever. Who cares? They brought it on themselves.

When we capture saboteurs in time of war, they are subject to summary execution. Ditto that for enemy spies. There is no valid reason why these mutant illegal savage motherfucking illegal enemy combatants fucks ("terrorists") could not also be subjected to summary execution. But, since we are not the savages and since killing them summarily might deprive us of the ability to extract from them the intel we need, we instead give them three hots and a cot and medical attention and similar civilized courtesies in their lovely new Gitmo abodes. That works.

The fact remains: there is no issue of criminal law guilt or innocence to even be decided. Fuck that. Hold them until all hostilities are terminated. Simple enough. And right.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Let's get real.

The point of using enhanced interrogation on the scumbag rat bastard was NOT to get admissible "evidence" for some criminal justice system "trial." The POINT of using such techniques on the bastard was to GET information. Period. End of fucking story.

If anyone (not saying that you do, necessarily, Curve) actually believes that anything said by the Islamist bastard which we obtained as a result of using "enhanced interrogation" on him is in ANY way going to be usable as evidence against him at some stupid "trial," then perhaps we can discuss your purchase from me of a large bridge in Kings County, NYC, at a very reasonable price.

When his defense attorneys demand the production of "discovery" materials from the Government, and the Government tries to demur on the ground of "classified state secret" or some such basis, riase your hands if you think a judge is going to agree with the government!

Failing that, the government will either have to share our military intelligence secrets with the guy who masterminded the 9/11/2001 attacks against us -- OR -- they will have to respectfully decline the demand for "discovery" which will result in

(a) motions to dismiss the case against the defendant and/or
(b) motions to preclude the USE of any such "evidence" or RELATED MATERIAL against the defendant (which, when coupled with the suppression of pretty much everything the guy ever SAID, is likely to unermine the ability of the prosecutors to mount a prosecution).

Why on Earth we would do this to ourselves remains a huge mystery.

None of it is or should ever have been deemd "necssary." But it all flows from the misbegotten ignorant belief that this was ever a "criminal justice" matter.

Well, the fuck it was. It never was. It still isn't.

President Obama is just a fucking imbecile.

Translation:After you tortured the bastards, you should have shot them--not have a media party demonstrating how "tough" you are!!

But many people think waterboarding is not torture. So evidence collected under duress can be admitted--yeah right.

Mistranslation, you mean.

Anyway, what I said requires no translation from you.

Waterboarding, by the way, still isn't "torture." But the acquisition of such coerced statements need not be acquired by "torture" to be deemed inadmissible as evidence in a criminal trial.

What SHOULD have happened, of course, was that the fuckbubble should have been compelled to give up every fucking scrap of intel WE needed to minimize the threat he and his cohorts represented. Having done so, obviously none of that intel could be used against him in any criminal trial. There should never have been any criminal trial.

He was captured. He was an unlwaful enemy combatant. He should have been detained and HELD in a way similar to how we may legitimately hold captured legal enemy combatants. True, THEY would be POWs and given HIS illegal status HE would NOT be a "POW." Irrelevant to the point. If we could legitimately hold LAWFUL enemy combatnats captured during battle as POWs, there's NO rational reason why we couldn't do the same for the unlwaful variety.

If POWs could be held until the war is over, so too could the illegal enemy combatants.

If the "war" is endless, ok. Their detention is forever. Who cares? They brought it on themselves.

When we capture saboteurs in time of war, they are subject to summary execution. Ditto that for enemy spies. There is no valid reason why these mutant illegal savage motherfucking illegal enemy combatants fucks ("terrorists") could not also be subjected to summary execution. But, since we are not the savages and since killing them summarily might deprive us of the ability to extract from them the intel we need, we instead give them three hots and a cot and medical attention and similar civilized courtesies in their lovely new Gitmo abodes. That works.

The fact remains: there is no issue of criminal law guilt or innocence to even be decided. Fuck that. Hold them until all hostilities are terminated. Simple enough. And right.

If George Washington could defeat the most powerful military of the day without torture - I think it is an issult to our armed forces to suggest THEY can't get the job done against these semi-organized criminals without it.

2) They are criminals - they should be tried like criminals. Their actions have not earned the honor of military justice.

 

[Misty]

The united states is on trial not the terrorists

all confession could get thrown out because they were obtained by cohersion.

Obama is putting the bush administration on trial and he knows it.

 

[Liability]

Translation:After you tortured the bastards, you should have shot them--not have a media party demonstrating how "tough" you are!!

But many people think waterboarding is not torture. So evidence collected under duress can be admitted--yeah right.

Mistranslation, you mean.

Anyway, what I said requires no translation from you.

Waterboarding, by the way, still isn't "torture." But the acquisition of such coerced statements need not be acquired by "torture" to be deemed inadmissible as evidence in a criminal trial.

What SHOULD have happened, of course, was that the fuckbubble should have been compelled to give up every fucking scrap of intel WE needed to minimize the threat he and his cohorts represented. Having done so, obviously none of that intel could be used against him in any criminal trial. There should never have been any criminal trial.

He was captured. He was an unlwaful enemy combatant. He should have been detained and HELD in a way similar to how we may legitimately hold captured legal enemy combatants. True, THEY would be POWs and given HIS illegal status HE would NOT be a "POW." Irrelevant to the point. If we could legitimately hold LAWFUL enemy combatnats captured during battle as POWs, there's NO rational reason why we couldn't do the same for the unlwaful variety.

If POWs could be held until the war is over, so too could the illegal enemy combatants.

If the "war" is endless, ok. Their detention is forever. Who cares? They brought it on themselves.

When we capture saboteurs in time of war, they are subject to summary execution. Ditto that for enemy spies. There is no valid reason why these mutant illegal savage motherfucking illegal enemy combatants fucks ("terrorists") could not also be subjected to summary execution. But, since we are not the savages and since killing them summarily might deprive us of the ability to extract from them the intel we need, we instead give them three hots and a cot and medical attention and similar civilized courtesies in their lovely new Gitmo abodes. That works.

The fact remains: there is no issue of criminal law guilt or innocence to even be decided. Fuck that. Hold them until all hostilities are terminated. Simple enough. And right.

If George Washington could defeat the most powerful military of the day without torture - I think it is an issult to our armed forces to suggest THEY can't get the job done against these semi-organized criminals without it.

2) They are criminals - they should be tried like criminals. Their actions have not earned the honor of military justice.

In his day, the Redcoats considered Washington and our side to be the "terrorists." We were too pussay to stand in a straight line and fight like they wished us to.

In any event, the Redcoats were not themselves busy targetting civilians as the enemy of our present day does.

So, as always is the case with you and your ilk, your analogies are not analogous.

Our present day enemies ought NOT be treated with the same dignity WE believe should be accorded to criminal suspects.

The terrorist filth deserve no better treatment than is lawfully accorded to spies and sabateours. They deserve much worse, in reality. But since WE are not the uncivilized ones, we deign to grant them the right to live AS prisoners. Very magnanimous of us.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Just another Hopey Changey farce. Their farce will be used by all brutal Terrorists around the World for propaganda purposes. This will be a wonderful World Stage for brutal Terrorists. This will also be a wonderful World Stage for the Leftist loons to make it all about "Torture" and how "Evil" George Bush was. This is a huge blunder that will only benefit the World's worst Muslim Terrorists and Leftist Loons. This should have been done by the Military.