911 call shows chaos before NYC shooting

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    Thoughts?
     
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    Suicide by cop?
     
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    I don't know. The article says the young man was mentally ill, but not in what way.

    I also wonder at what distance he was from the cops that they thought a hairbrush was a handgun.

    And I REALLY question shooting him 20 times. That's 20 hits ... no one's counted the shots fired that missed.
     
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    They were surmising suicide by cop when I listened to the news today. The mother said he had a gun and the cops said the kid was saying he had a gun. I don't know any more than that either. Now the mother is changing her story. But this is the 911 call transcript

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2007/11/13/2007-11-13_transcript_of_911_call_take_that__ive_go.html

    I figure we'll know more as the investigation continues.
     
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    I originally heard the mother reported he had a gun, then read the article that said she said he didn't. Since I heard it first word-of-mouth, I just figured the person that told me got it wrong.

    We'll see what happens. I STILL question being shot 20 times even if he did have a gun. That's some undisciplined, sloppy shooting, and around apartments, could have some deadly consequences for more than just the suspect.
     
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    Sounds like a pile-on by the cops. That's bloody ridiculous.
     
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    On the surface it does, but I'm going to reserve judgement until we can see all the facts. I really can't imagine the circumstance which would warrant 20 hits (which you know means 50-75 shots were taken). If nothing else, I'd say their marksmanship sucks bigtime.
     
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    Actually it looks like all shots fired hit him:

    http://www.newstimes.com/latestnews/ci_7458977

     
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    Agreed, we all need to suspend judgement to a degree just out of a sense of fairness but I would think any official conducting an inquiry would ignore the noise from the sidelines and focus on the event, I'm sure the investigators will.

    I was thinking about this earlier. I've never actually had to pull the trigger (for which I'm eternally grateful but if I had to I have no doubt I would have done so), but I've been damn close a couple of times, again, thankfully,only a couple. But shooting discipline is still important and I wonder if it's broken down here.
     
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    Did they say he suffered 20 hits or that 20 shots were fired?
    Number of shots is/can be determined by the number of rounds expended from the magazines.
     
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