9.8 ...Unemployment

[The T]

I don't recall endorsing tyranny on here... just the philosophy of the author of our Bill of Rights O_O

You have not demonstrated that you actually understand the quotes you C&Ped.

Go figure.

 

[Agit8r]

I don't recall endorsing tyranny on here... just the philosophy of the author of our Bill of Rights O_O

You have not demonstrated that you actually understand the quotes you C&Ped.

of course i understand what i quoted. Madison wrote this about garment workers in England, in order to juxtapose their condition to those that the Hamiltonians wished to inflict the citizenry.

 

[loosecannon]

Sheez ... that's what 4 years of Democrats controlling the purse strings gets you...

or just 4 weeks of teatards doing DC.

They aren't even seated yet asswipe.

those petty details hardly kept the teatards from blaming Obama for an economy in ruins he inherited.

No the rise in unemployment is clearly the fault of the teatards assault on the house and senate.

 

[boedicca]

That doesn't mean anything in the context of the current discussion.

 

[loosecannon]

I don't recall endorsing tyranny on here... just the philosophy of the author of our Bill of Rights O_O

You have not demonstrated that you actually understand the quotes you C&Ped.

actually you haven't provided such a demonstration.

get on it!

 

[asterism]

"Of all occupations those are the least desirable in a free state which produce the most servile dependence of one class of citizens on another class. This dependence must increase as the mutuality of wants is diminished. Where the wants on one side are the absolute necessaries and on the other are neither absolute necessaries, nor result from the habitual economy of life, but are the mere caprices of fancy, the evil is in its extreme"

-- James Madison; from Fashion (1792)

I have not created a system where one class depends on another class. My system employs people who work and produce value despite being told I'm too stupid to manage my own finances. The current system where 2% are being targeted to pay up for the wants and needs of the other 98% creates that dependence you seem to not like. How does that work out if I just quit because it's no longer worth the trouble?

In a tyranny? They'll force you to work regardless for the Greater Good.

I suppose, but it won't be with near the productivity as I or anyone else can do when the choice is ours.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

or just 4 weeks of teatards doing DC.

They aren't even seated yet asswipe.

those petty details hardly kept the teatards from blaming Obama for an economy in ruins he inherited.

No the rise in unemployment is clearly the fault of the teatards assault on the house and senate.

 

[Meister]

or just 4 weeks of teatards doing DC.

They aren't even seated yet asswipe.

those petty details hardly kept the teatards from blaming Obama for an economy in ruins he inherited.

No the rise in unemployment is clearly the fault of the teatards assault on the house and senate.

Yeah, just stick with those thoughts....of course your right.

 

[Agit8r]

"One of the divisions consists of those, who from particular interest, from natural temper, or from the habits of life, are more partial to the opulent than to the other classes of society; and having debauched themselves into a persuasion that mankind are incapable of governing themselves, it follows with them, of course, that government can be carried on only by the pageantry of rank, the influence of money and emoluments, and the terror of military force. Men of those sentiments must naturally wish to point the measures of government less to the interest of the many than of a few, and less to the reason of the many than to their weaknesses; hoping perhaps in proportion to the ardor of their zeal, that by giving such a turn to the administration, the government itself may by degrees be narrowed into fewer hands, and approximated to an hereditary form... The anti republican party, as it may be called, being the weaker in point of numbers, will be induced by the most obvious motives to strengthen themselves with the men of influence, particularly of moneyed, which is the most active and insinuating influence. It will be equally their true policy to weaken their opponents by reviving exploded parties, and taking advantage of all prejudices, local, political, and occupational, that may prevent or disturb a general coalition of sentiments."

-- James Madison; from A Candid State of Parties, in The National Gazette, September 26, 1792

now what modern political movement(s) does that resemble?

 

[Agit8r]

"man is the only animal which devours his own kind, for I can apply no milder term... to the general prey of the rich on the poor."

-- Thomas Jefferson; Letter to Edward Carrington (January 16, 1787)

 

[Cuyo]

hello, my name Trajan, I don't know who's posts you have been readiing and assigning my name to but......

Ummmmm.... Ok... So you first pointed out that Germany has lower (and improving) unemployment than us. We pointed out that Germany is "Socialist" by the loose definition you nitwits are using these days.

dude, I don't know you, I don't think we have ever had one exchange, if this is how it goes with you, don't bother addressing me. okay?

You pointed out that they've moved farther right - But as far as I can tell, you're not arguing that they're governing to the right of us. So they're improving whilst still governing to the left of us, and your argument is somehow, err -- What the hell is your argument? Why did you even bring up "Socialist" Germany?

and again, you are injecting or projecting your own bias, I didn't make a case vis a vis one political system vs. another. My points addressed economic issues.

No strawman involved, you tied your own noose and now you're tuggin' on it...

see above.

So what's your point? If I'm misreading, maybe you can clarify for me. Why mention Germany?

 

[The T]

I have not created a system where one class depends on another class. My system employs people who work and produce value despite being told I'm too stupid to manage my own finances. The current system where 2% are being targeted to pay up for the wants and needs of the other 98% creates that dependence you seem to not like. How does that work out if I just quit because it's no longer worth the trouble?

In a tyranny? They'll force you to work regardless for the Greater Good.

I suppose, but it won't be with near the productivity as I or anyone else can do when the choice is ours.

And that's the RUB, isn't it? This government means to remove that choice which is their intent all along. It's an affront to true Liberty.
I appreciate your comments. it highlights alot.

 

[Agit8r]

"wealth is no proof of moral character; nor poverty of the want of it. On the contrary, wealth is often the presumptive evidence of dishonesty; and poverty the negative evidence of innocence."

-- Thomas Paine; 'Dissertation on the First Principles of Government'

 

[Avorysuds]

or just 4 weeks of teatards doing DC.

They aren't even seated yet asswipe.

those petty details hardly kept the teatards from blaming Obama for an economy in ruins he inherited.

No the rise in unemployment is clearly the fault of the teatards assault on the house and senate.

The people that Blame Obama for the economy and UE blame him after he was seated. They blame the Dem congress for having 4 years to work things out and failing and usually these same people blame Bush and the Republican congress as well... Find direct quotes proving otherwise or stfu.

Your games are childish, stop while you are just slightly behind.

 

[Avorysuds]

Ummmmm.... Ok... So you first pointed out that Germany has lower (and improving) unemployment than us. We pointed out that Germany is "Socialist" by the loose definition you nitwits are using these days.

dude, I don't know you, I don't think we have ever had one exchange, if this is how it goes with you, don't bother addressing me. okay?






and again, you are injecting or projecting your own bias, I didn't make a case vis a vis one political system vs. another. My points addressed economic issues.

No strawman involved, you tied your own noose and now you're tuggin' on it...

see above.

So what's your point? If I'm misreading, maybe you can clarify for me. Why mention Germany?

Because it shows that moving in a direction of lower taxes and less Government spending and involvement leads to economic success... While compared to the US Germany seems still very socialist or whatever you want to call it, for their own country these are HUGE moves in a opposite direction. While we take leaps and bounds towards socialism, or whatever you want to call it, we seem to hurt worse and worse...

The concept is not hard to understand.

 

[boedicca]

It's really sad to see an utter moron C&P quotes from the Founders in a way which reflects a complete and utter lack of understanding of the underlying philosophical basis.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Sorry to say but things are actually much worse than they're saying. Their Unemployment Numbers are lies. The real Unemployment Rate is well up into double figures. I don't buy their numbers anymore. If they're saying 9.8% than just think something like 18%. It's likely to be double what they're saying. They've been known to cook the books. It's very sad.

 

[Cuyo]

dude, I don't know you, I don't think we have ever had one exchange, if this is how it goes with you, don't bother addressing me. okay?






and again, you are injecting or projecting your own bias, I didn't make a case vis a vis one political system vs. another. My points addressed economic issues.



see above.

So what's your point? If I'm misreading, maybe you can clarify for me. Why mention Germany?

Because it shows that moving in a direction of lower taxes and less Government spending and involvement leads to economic success... While compared to the US Germany seems still very socialist or whatever you want to call it, for their own country these are HUGE moves in a opposite direction. While we take leaps and bounds towards socialism, or whatever you want to call it, we seem to hurt worse and worse...

The concept is not hard to understand.

Okay... I don't agree that we're moving left in any significant way, but for the sake of argument lets say we were.

So is the proposal that an economy is determined not by the actual practices, but by which direction the practices are shifting? In other words, LEFT IS BAD, we know that, socialism is an utter failure by any measure with no redeeming qualities - But even if you're MORE socialist than the other guy, your economy would be better than the other guy, so long as your gradually moving in the other direction?

Or maybe he just didn't think through what he was about to say before he said it? Just a guess, what the hell do I know.

 

[boedicca]

It's even worse than that.

The real # is more like 22% un and under employment when adjusted for long term discouraged workers that the Feds do not count as unemployed.

Alternate Unemployment Charts

 

[Cuyo]

It's even worse than that.

The real # is more like 22% un and under employment when adjusted for long term discouraged workers that the Feds do not count as unemployed.

Alternate Unemployment Charts

I'd like to see one that includes underemployed... I'd argue that's as big a problem as unemployed, if not bigger.