9/11 Conspiracy

[Jackinthebox]

9/11 Truthers Exposed
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"It goes without saying, that any of us who argue against Conspiracy Theories are part of the Conspiracy. The Conspiracy Theories are fairy story realities, they are a narrative which improves apon reality itself." - Quote from book author David Aaronovitch

Welcome to this presentation of "9/11 Truthers Exposed". The presentation is based on exposing the ideas, myths, strawmen arguements, fradulant claims and fantasy stories surrounding the events of September 11, 2001 from the 9/11 Truthers, 9/11 Truth Movement, Scholars for 9/11 Truth, and Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth. As being narrative and fairy stories on the assumptions of their imaginations reguarding 9/11. We will expose the 9/11 Truthers and what they believe in it's entirety, from years of researching and understanding the Truthers.

If anyone reading this presentation would like to print copies of it, they can do so, free of charge. If anyone is living in New York and goes to Ground Zero, daily or on the anniversaries, they can present a copy of this presentation to anyone of their choosing, including the 9/11 Truthers, since this presentation is of the people, by the people and for the people.

Truthers are told to do the following:

1: Deceive - Misrepresent the claims of 9/11 Researchers into "Strawman" issues that are easily knocked down.

2: Dodge - Try to avoid or ignore any 9/11 evidence that you can not explain away.

3: Deny - Refuse to acknowledge any irrefutable evidence given is relevant to the 9/11 arguement.

4: Discredit - Use any possible ad hominem accusation to ruin the credibility of 9/11 Researchers.

5: Repeat - Repeat the Conspiracy Theories constantly.


Quote Mining the Witnesses:

Truthers often quote mine the witness statements to try and prove that there is a conspiracy by the FDNY, Larry Silverstein & the U.S. Government. Example: Larry Silverstein's "Pull it" comment:

"I remember getting a call from the Fire Department commander, telling me they were not sure they were gonna to be able to contain the fire, and I said, you know, "We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is just pull it." And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse."

Truthers have tried, in vain, to prove that Larry Silverstein wanted to demolish World Trade Center 7 with explosives. They quote mine his statement & misrepresent everything that he said. Let's break down his statement to make it clear that he didn't give out orders to the FDNY to have WTC7 CDed (Controlled Demolitioned):

"I remember getting a call from the Fire Department commander,...."

He was talking with the FDNY commander at the time, not a Controlled Demolishes Expert!

"telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire."

WTC7 had uncontrollable fires and the firefighters couldn't fight it because the water mains were already broken by the collapse of WTC 1 and 2.

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you do realize that the physiologist in that clip is bias and payed by truth dot org...

And the same could be said of the Pop Mech report, NIST, etcetera, that they were all biased and paid off. Or do you actually thing the 9/11 report was legit?

yes it could but that again is false and your allegation is specious,
the 911 report is legit it has many mistakes as it was rushed into publication BEFORE the nist studies were finished.
once again you have no evidence it is not .

It could, but is false, what? It is specious of me to question the validity of your sources or sources with a vested interest in a coverup? Or to point out things like the FACT that they have no evidence to support their position that building 7 was brought down by fire? Among many other claims by officials which are totally baseless and proven false.

 

[SAYIT]

As far as Silverstein goes with his pull it comment, there was never an interior firefighting attack to begin with, so there was no operation to "pull" at all.

Another of your 9/11 CT half-truths. There certainly were firefighters in WTC7 who were "pulled" because the situation was deemed too dangerous. Two hours after they were pulled WTC7 collapsed. If your CTBS had any basis in truth, you would not need to lie so often.

At approximately 2:00 pm, firefighters noticed a bulge in the southwest corner of 7 World Trade Center between the 10th and 13th floors, a sign that the building was unstable and might collapse. - Interview with Chief Peter Hayden (Firehouse.com. September 9, 2002)

During the afternoon, firefighters also heard creaking sounds coming from the building. - Interview with Captain Chris Boyle (Firehouse.com. August 2002)

Around 3:30 pm, FDNY Chief Daniel A. Nigro decided to halt rescue operations, surface removal, and searches along the surface of the debris near 7 World Trade Center and evacuate the area due to concerns for the safety of personnel. - Interview with Chief Daniel Nigro (The New York Times. October 24, 2001)

"I thought the term ‘Truth Movement’ meant that there’d be some search for truth. I was wrong." - ex-"Truther" Charlie Veitch

 

[Jackinthebox]

A collapsing steel structure meets resistance on the way down. That did not happen on 9/11.

Hmmm...

So what was the static load limit of the first floor that the descending upper section impacted versus the load generated by the descending upper section?

Have those numbers handy?

Educate me. Show me the numbers which explain global collapse of a steel structure.

 

[SAYIT]

The weakening of a steel section does not cause global collapse of a steel structure...

It doesn't HAVE to but obviously it can and did.

 

[daws101]

everything you've posted in this thread is false OR HALF TRUTHS

... says the fraud who tried to sell the story of WTC 1 and 2 burning for hours

that's no fraud:

everything you've posted in this thread is false OR HALF TRUTHS

... says the fraud who tried to sell the story of WTC 1 and 2 burning for hours

9:59 am, the South Tower collapsed, 56 minutes after being struck.

The North Tower collapsed at 10:28 am, after burning for 102 minutes.
combined time 192mins

or 3 hours twelve minutes, so where's the fraud?

 

[Jackinthebox]

As far as Silverstein goes with his pull it comment, there was never an interior firefighting attack to begin with, so there was no operation to "pull" at all.

Another of your 9/11 CT half-truths. There certainly were firefighters in WTC7 who were "pulled" because the situation was deemed too dangerous. Two hours after they were pulled WTC7 collapsed. If your CTBS had any basis in truth, you would not need to lie so often.

At approximately 2:00 pm, firefighters noticed a bulge in the southwest corner of 7 World Trade Center between the 10th and 13th floors, a sign that the building was unstable and might collapse. - Interview with Chief Peter Hayden (Firehouse.com. September 9, 2002)

During the afternoon, firefighters also heard creaking sounds coming from the building. - Interview with Captain Chris Boyle (Firehouse.com. August 2002)

Around 3:30 pm, FDNY Chief Daniel A. Nigro decided to halt rescue operations, surface removal, and searches along the surface of the debris near 7 World Trade Center and evacuate the area due to concerns for the safety of personnel. - Interview with Chief Daniel Nigro (The New York Times. October 24, 2001)

"I thought the term ‘Truth Movement’ meant that there’d be some search for truth. I was wrong." - ex-"Truther" Charlie Veitch

There was no interior attack made. Operations around the building is not an interior attack operation.

 

[daws101]

The weakening of a steel section does not cause global collapse of a steel structure. Your own previous video showed that, when the overpass collpased onto the underpass, and when there were partial collpases in burning buildings, where the buildings were actually burning.

I never said anything about missiles either so your second video there is irrelevant.

not yet you haven't

 

[SAYIT]

As far as Silverstein goes with his pull it comment, there was never an interior firefighting attack to begin with, so there was no operation to "pull" at all.

Another of your 9/11 CT half-truths. There certainly were firefighters in WTC7 who were "pulled" because the situation was deemed too dangerous. Two hours after they were pulled WTC7 collapsed. If your CTBS had any basis in truth, you would not need to lie so often.

At approximately 2:00 pm, firefighters noticed a bulge in the southwest corner of 7 World Trade Center between the 10th and 13th floors, a sign that the building was unstable and might collapse. - Interview with Chief Peter Hayden (Firehouse.com. September 9, 2002)

During the afternoon, firefighters also heard creaking sounds coming from the building. - Interview with Captain Chris Boyle (Firehouse.com. August 2002)

Around 3:30 pm, FDNY Chief Daniel A. Nigro decided to halt rescue operations, surface removal, and searches along the surface of the debris near 7 World Trade Center and evacuate the area due to concerns for the safety of personnel. - Interview with Chief Daniel Nigro (The New York Times. October 24, 2001)

"I thought the term ‘Truth Movement’ meant that there’d be some search for truth. I was wrong." - ex-"Truther" Charlie Veitch

There was no interior attack made. Operations around the building is not an interior attack operation.

So you are claiming there were no fire or other rescue people in WTC7 on 9/11? "Truthers" say the silliest things.

 

[Jackinthebox]

The weakening of a steel section does not cause global collapse of a steel structure...

It doesn't HAVE to but obviously it can and did.

Can't and didn't. There is another explanation. Maybe demolitions, maybe friggin magic powers, not up to me to say. But steel buildings don't just fall down. Even if there was structural failure on the impacted floors, it would not have brought down the rest of the building.

 

[daws101]

...the 2.5 seconds of "free fall" is meaningless you have no evidence of cause ...

What a coincidence; neither did NIST. They couldn't even muster a possible explanation for it.

false! might want to look up the word meaningless

Yeah, I'll get right on that. In the meantime, you might want to look up the word "possible".

what's possible and what occurred are to separate things
put another way the probability of conspiracy version of events on 911 is so low as to be immeasurable

 

[Jackinthebox]

The weakening of a steel section does not cause global collapse of a steel structure. Your own previous video showed that, when the overpass collpased onto the underpass, and when there were partial collpases in burning buildings, where the buildings were actually burning.

I never said anything about missiles either so your second video there is irrelevant.

not yet you haven't

Oh, now you are using presumptions as proof of something. Lol. What was that about ad hominems in your little truther article there?

 

[daws101]

As far as Silverstein goes with his pull it comment, there was never an interior firefighting attack to begin with, so there was no operation to "pull" at all.

Another of your 9/11 CT half-truths. There certainly were firefighters in WTC7 who were "pulled" because the situation was deemed too dangerous. Two hours after they were pulled WTC7 collapsed. If your CTBS had any basis in truth, you would not need to lie so often.

At approximately 2:00 pm, firefighters noticed a bulge in the southwest corner of 7 World Trade Center between the 10th and 13th floors, a sign that the building was unstable and might collapse. - Interview with Chief Peter Hayden (Firehouse.com. September 9, 2002)

During the afternoon, firefighters also heard creaking sounds coming from the building. - Interview with Captain Chris Boyle (Firehouse.com. August 2002)

Around 3:30 pm, FDNY Chief Daniel A. Nigro decided to halt rescue operations, surface removal, and searches along the surface of the debris near 7 World Trade Center and evacuate the area due to concerns for the safety of personnel. - Interview with Chief Daniel Nigro (The New York Times. October 24, 2001)

"I thought the term ‘Truth Movement’ meant that there’d be some search for truth. I was wrong." - ex-"Truther" Charlie Veitch

There was no interior attack made. Operations around the building is not an interior attack operation.

bullshit! fire fighters were in and out of wtc7 for hours after the towers collapsed..

 

[Jackinthebox]

As far as Silverstein goes with his pull it comment, there was never an interior firefighting attack to begin with, so there was no operation to "pull" at all.

Another of your 9/11 CT half-truths. There certainly were firefighters in WTC7 who were "pulled" because the situation was deemed too dangerous. Two hours after they were pulled WTC7 collapsed. If your CTBS had any basis in truth, you would not need to lie so often.

At approximately 2:00 pm, firefighters noticed a bulge in the southwest corner of 7 World Trade Center between the 10th and 13th floors, a sign that the building was unstable and might collapse. - Interview with Chief Peter Hayden (Firehouse.com. September 9, 2002)

During the afternoon, firefighters also heard creaking sounds coming from the building. - Interview with Captain Chris Boyle (Firehouse.com. August 2002)

Around 3:30 pm, FDNY Chief Daniel A. Nigro decided to halt rescue operations, surface removal, and searches along the surface of the debris near 7 World Trade Center and evacuate the area due to concerns for the safety of personnel. - Interview with Chief Daniel Nigro (The New York Times. October 24, 2001)

"I thought the term ‘Truth Movement’ meant that there’d be some search for truth. I was wrong." - ex-"Truther" Charlie Veitch

There was no interior attack made. Operations around the building is not an interior attack operation.

So you are claiming there were no fire or other rescue people in WTC7 on 9/11? "Truthers" say the silliest things.

There was no interior fire fighting attack operation at WTC7. The building had been declared evacuated. NIST even says that.

 

[Gamolon]

A collapsing steel structure meets resistance on the way down. That did not happen on 9/11.

Hmmm...

So what was the static load limit of the first floor that the descending upper section impacted versus the load generated by the descending upper section?

Have those numbers handy?

Educate me. Show me the numbers which explain global collapse of a steel structure.

I asked you first.

What are you basing your claim that the lower section should have resisted the upper section? You made the claim, I asked you to back it up. How about forget the numbers part. Explain how the structural system as a whole should have reacted to resist.

You said you have a construction background right?

First question I have for you. If each floor in WTC1 and WTC2 is designed to hold a static weight of items put on it AND itself, how in the world do you expect each floor to resist the load of the entire upper section descending down upon it? Do you not comprehend the major difference in load values created by the descending upper section and the designed static load of a floor?

 

[Jackinthebox]

...the 2.5 seconds of "free fall" is meaningless you have no evidence of cause ...

What a coincidence; neither did NIST. They couldn't even muster a possible explanation for it.

false! might want to look up the word meaningless

Yeah, I'll get right on that. In the meantime, you might want to look up the word "possible".

what's possible and what occurred are to separate things
put another way the probability of conspiracy version of events on 911 is so low as to be immeasurable

Probability of 3 steel structures collapsing into their own footprint at free fall speed is even lower.

 

[Gamolon]

As far as Silverstein goes with his pull it comment, there was never an interior firefighting attack to begin with, so there was no operation to "pull" at all.

Another of your 9/11 CT half-truths. There certainly were firefighters in WTC7 who were "pulled" because the situation was deemed too dangerous. Two hours after they were pulled WTC7 collapsed. If your CTBS had any basis in truth, you would not need to lie so often.

At approximately 2:00 pm, firefighters noticed a bulge in the southwest corner of 7 World Trade Center between the 10th and 13th floors, a sign that the building was unstable and might collapse. - Interview with Chief Peter Hayden (Firehouse.com. September 9, 2002)

During the afternoon, firefighters also heard creaking sounds coming from the building. - Interview with Captain Chris Boyle (Firehouse.com. August 2002)

Around 3:30 pm, FDNY Chief Daniel A. Nigro decided to halt rescue operations, surface removal, and searches along the surface of the debris near 7 World Trade Center and evacuate the area due to concerns for the safety of personnel. - Interview with Chief Daniel Nigro (The New York Times. October 24, 2001)

"I thought the term ‘Truth Movement’ meant that there’d be some search for truth. I was wrong." - ex-"Truther" Charlie Veitch

There was no interior attack made. Operations around the building is not an interior attack operation.

Interior search and rescue operations were not ongoing that day? Care to explain how Jennings and Hess were rescued from inside the building?

 

[Gamolon]

...the 2.5 seconds of "free fall" is meaningless you have no evidence of cause ...

What a coincidence; neither did NIST. They couldn't even muster a possible explanation for it.

false! might want to look up the word meaningless

Yeah, I'll get right on that. In the meantime, you might want to look up the word "possible".

what's possible and what occurred are to separate things
put another way the probability of conspiracy version of events on 911 is so low as to be immeasurable

Probability of 3 steel structures collapsing into their own footprint at free fall speed is even lower.

3 steel structures did not collapse at free fall speed. That's a lie. Another half truth.

 

[daws101]

The weakening of a steel section does not cause global collapse of a steel structure. Your own previous video showed that, when the overpass collpased onto the underpass, and when there were partial collpases in burning buildings, where the buildings were actually burning.

I never said anything about missiles either so your second video there is irrelevant.

not yet you haven't

Oh, now you are using presumptions as proof of something. Lol. What was that about ad hominems in your little truther article there?

false I'm pointing out your numerous assumptions of all to the other twoofer talking point you've used to bolster your fantasy.

ad hominems is spelled wrong and it's a dodge around taking responsibility for yourself.
the don't shoot the messenger bullshit does not play here.

 

[Jackinthebox]

A collapsing steel structure meets resistance on the way down. That did not happen on 9/11.

Hmmm...

So what was the static load limit of the first floor that the descending upper section impacted versus the load generated by the descending upper section?

Have those numbers handy?

Educate me. Show me the numbers which explain global collapse of a steel structure.

I asked you first.

What are you basing your claim that the lower section should have resisted the upper section? You made the claim, I asked you to back it up. How about forget the numbers part. Explain how the structural system as a whole should have reacted to resist.

You said you have a construction backup right?

First question I have for you. If each floor in WTC1 and WTC2 is designed to hold a static weight of items put on it AND itself, how in the world do you expect each floor to resist the load of the entire upper section descending down upon it? Do you not comprehend the major difference in load values created by the descending upper section and the designed static load of a floor?

 

[Jackinthebox]

What a coincidence; neither did NIST. They couldn't even muster a possible explanation for it.

false! might want to look up the word meaningless

Yeah, I'll get right on that. In the meantime, you might want to look up the word "possible".

what's possible and what occurred are to separate things
put another way the probability of conspiracy version of events on 911 is so low as to be immeasurable

Probability of 3 steel structures collapsing into their own footprint at free fall speed is even lower.

3 steel structures did not collapse at free fall speed. That's a lie. Another half truth.