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    I love the words she uses: "Fine legal points." The Geneva Convention is quaint and anything short of organ failure or death is not torture.

    Destroy any credibility we had for a moral stance and for what? Torture is used to get the information you want, not necessarily what is true. Not only did they throw out the baby with the bathwater, but then they waterboarded the little bastard.

    How many dictators and other lying politicians have used this same argument to justify whatever they wanted to do?

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080523/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/rice_waterboarding
     
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    Credibility? Who's, ours? Surely you jest?:eusa_think:

    Moral stance, the United States record in war, is hands, and shoulders better than our contemporaries.

    Just another attempt, though lame, on your part to bring shame to those that are charged to protect us.:eusa_hand:
     
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    Bullshit. Just a lame attempt on your part to cover up what Bush and company has done to this country. :eusa_liar:

    I am not talking about our military who do their duty, so please don't give me the shit about not supporting our troops.
     
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    The efficacy of torture as a means of extracting reliable information has been long established. American colonists used various forms of torture to secure confessions during the witchcraft trials; if we hadn't dunked all of those witches, they would have gotten away with it.
     
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    yes, lets not make our prisoners, either of war or those that do not fall under the geneva convention (less respectful treatment there) feel in any way uncomfortable. we should sing kumbuya around a campfire roasting marshmallows and then give them gift certificates to disney world. lets ignore the fact that waterboarding did in fact produce credible evidence that resulted in arrests and stopped terrorist attacks.
     
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    The only thing we should be roasting on the campfire is the nuts of those prisoners we have for terrorism related activities. If certain liberal wishywashy presidents had shown a spine at the correct time, we would not have this current brand of terrorism. Al Qaeda's own statements show they have no respect for us because of our major history of cutting and running and treating terrorism as if it is a crime instead of an act of war.
     
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    Are you talking about Reagan, who cut and run from Lebanon after the Marine barracks were bombed, or Bush 2, who learned the identity of the Cole bombers during the transition and did nothing about it? I guess you could be talking about both.
     
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    you can't blame clinton, his dick took over his brain in the late 80's ....which caused him to eventually send an impotent missile to osama in the late 90's
     
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    Terribly inaccurate statement.

    In fact, U.S. foreign policy through direct and indirect military operations in Iraq, Vietnam and throughout Latin America in the post world war 2 era has been horrific in scale and deadly in its efficiency. It's racked up far more bodies than France, the UK, Israel Germany, Canada etc.

    In Vietnam alone, it is said over a million Vietnamese perished. It is Pentagon policy to not keep track of Iraqi civilian or military deaths in Iraq by American weaponry. This is on top of the thousands of Iraqi military deaths in Gulf War 1. The Pentagon refused to keep track in 1991. It is obvious why.

    Jihadists only wish they could unleash the scope of destruction wrought on regions of the world by American power and policy.

    Not my opinion, just the facts.
     
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    Actually we killed over 2,000,000 N Vietnamese, which was about 10,000,000 to FEW. We have probably killed close to 1,000,000 Iraqi's in two Persian Gulf wars, again, apparently several million too few. Now we did kill over 10,000,000 Japanese, 1,000,000+ AFTER the end of the war, which seemed to get the job done there.

    And yes, I could get rid of all Islamic terrorism inside of about 3 weeks.... Never be a problem again. Be about 200,000,000 fewer raghead muslims in the world, but it would do the trick. And I'd do it without a single moral reservation....
     

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