82 rural hospitals have closed in the last year

[Markle]

Those hospitals only run because of Medicaid funding Republicans are cutting so they can give tax cuts to their billionaire donors.
We know this to be true.
Rural hospitals, in many areas are the largest employer so those people are getting a double whammy.
Get this. Rural areas voted overwhelmingly for Trump.
Hope that works out for them.

82 Rural Hospital Closures: January 2010 – Present
Send Us Rural Hospital Closure Information

82 Rural Hospital Closures: January 2010 - Present - Sheps Center

 

[Markle]

The only educated conclusions are that yes - 80% of the cuts go to the top 1% who don't need them.

Liar!

 

[Markle]

When combined with his unfunded two trillion dollar Iraq debacle and unfunded Medicare D that is.

The War On Terror Has Cost Taxpayers $1.7 Trillion [Infographic]
Niall McCarthy , CONTRIBUTOR

Data journalist covering technological, societal and media topics the Mercatus Center citing the Congressional Research Service, the cost of global "War on Terror" operations (including both Afghanistan and Iraq) since 2001 had reached about $1.6 trillion by FY2014. When war funding approved by Congress for FY2015 is taken into account, the total reaches $1.7 trillion.

The majority of that funding, some $1.562 trillion, has been allocated to the Department of Defense. The "War on Terror" is proving extremely expensive compared to past military campaigns. Putting the cost into context, the bill for the Vietnam War comes to about $686 billion when adjusted for inflation.

The War On Terror Has Cost Taxpayers $1.7 Trillion [Infographic]

 

[Markle]

No. Tax revenues are down due to American workers making shit for wages.

Government Collects $3.27 Trillion in Taxes in Fiscal Year 2016
Gov’t still runs $587 billion deficit despite collecting record taxes


AP
BY: Ali Meyer
October 14, 2016 4:35 pm

The federal government collected $3.27 trillion in taxes in fiscal year 2016, according to the latest monthly Treasury Department statement. The federal government ran a deficit of $587 billion despite the record revenue.

Government Collects $3.27 Trillion in Taxes in Fiscal Year 2016

We won't know the fiscal year 2017 for until mid next year.

Who Really Pays Uncle Sam's Bills?

 

[DrLove]

When combined with his unfunded two trillion dollar Iraq debacle and unfunded Medicare D that is.

The War On Terror Has Cost Taxpayers $1.7 Trillion [Infographic]
Niall McCarthy , CONTRIBUTOR

Data journalist covering technological, societal and media topics the Mercatus Center citing the Congressional Research Service, the cost of global "War on Terror" operations (including both Afghanistan and Iraq) since 2001 had reached about $1.6 trillion by FY2014. When war funding approved by Congress for FY2015 is taken into account, the total reaches $1.7 trillion.

The majority of that funding, some $1.562 trillion, has been allocated to the Department of Defense. The "War on Terror" is proving extremely expensive compared to past military campaigns. Putting the cost into context, the bill for the Vietnam War comes to about $686 billion when adjusted for inflation.

The War On Terror Has Cost Taxpayers $1.7 Trillion [Infographic]

Thanks, the problem I have with numbers on total cost don't include the rehabilitation and ongoing assistance on return. And don't think they include the cost of new equipment (fighter jets, artillery etc) required to replace the ones that get old or are lost. Also, a lot of that hardware provided to Iraqis ended up in the hands of ISIS when they turned tail. I think the 5 trillion estimate is gonna be closer when it's all said and done.

THIS OCTOBER MARKS 15 years since American troops entered Afghanistan. It was a precursor to the occupation of Iraq and is the longest military conflict in US history. Yet the trillions of dollars and thousands of lives expended in these wars have rated barely a mention in the presidential campaign.

The most recent estimates suggest that war costs will run to nearly $5 trillion — a staggering sum that exceeds even the $3 trillion that Joseph Stiglitz and I predicted back in 2008.

Yet the cost seems invisible to politicians and the public alike. The reason is that almost all of the spending has been financed through borrowing — selling US Treasury Bonds around the world — leaving our children to pick up the tab. Consequently, the wars have had little impact on our pocketbooks.​

 

[DrLove]

The only educated conclusions are that yes - 80% of the cuts go to the top 1% who don't need them.

Liar!

Bet ya a dollar

 

[DrLove]

They will not create jobs ..

It seems like they did with the Bush tax cuts that Obama made over 80% of them permanent..

No?

Ya do know at the end of 2010 the unemployment rate was like 10% ...where is at today ?

To bad Obama didn't veto grubber care we would of been out of the recession way faster.

Dude, your numbers are WAY off.

This might help:

Bush vs. Obama on the Economy, In 3 Simple Charts [UPDATED]

GWB's job creation was the worst of any president in modern history - do you not remember the state of the economy when he was mercifully shown the door?

Bush On Jobs: The Worst Track Record On Record

Sorry, but when you give a multi-millionaire or billionaire a tax cut, they don't often spend it .. they've already got the Mercedes and the big house.

Job creation? Okay, maybe they hire an extra gardner, pool boy, chauffeur, full time housekeeper or personal chef.

Beyond that .. bupkis

 

[Meathead]

They will not create jobs ..

It seems like they did with the Bush tax cuts that Obama made over 80% of them permanent..

No?

Ya do know at the end of 2010 the unemployment rate was like 10% ...where is at today ?

To bad Obama didn't veto grubber care we would of been out of the recession way faster.

Dude, your numbers are WAY off.

This might help:

Bush vs. Obama on the Economy, In 3 Simple Charts [UPDATED]

GWB's job creation was the worst of any president in modern history - do you not remember the state of the economy when he was mercifully shown the door?

Bush On Jobs: The Worst Track Record On Record

Sorry, but when you give a multi-millionaire or billionaire a tax cut, they don't often spend it .. they've already got the Mercedes and the big house.

Job creation? Okay, maybe they hire an extra gardner, pool boy, chauffeur, full time housekeeper or personal chef.

Beyond that .. bupkis

Give it up little guy. There's a new kid in town, and the town is booming.

 

[OldLady]

Those hospitals only run because of Medicaid funding Republicans are cutting so they can give tax cuts to their billionaire donors.
We know this to be true.
Rural hospitals, in many areas are the largest employer so those people are getting a double whammy.
Get this. Rural areas voted overwhelmingly for Trump.
Hope that works out for them.

And you ignore the fact that they are closing thanks to illegal immigrants bankrupting the banks and the fact that obummer care doesn't pay them anything. Thanks obummer, you asshole.

We have almost NO immigrants up here, legal or otherwise, and our hospitals and nursing homes have been closing for two decades and it's getting worse. It is EXACTLY because they are being bankrupted by the under insured and the obligation to treat them, while the ER's have become after hours walk-in clinics for the docs who now refuse to "cover" on weekends or nights.
Unbelievable that you would blame this on illegal immigrants instead of shining the spotlight where it belongs--on the under-insured working poor and the Medicaid/Medicare reimbursements that do not cover costs.

 

[saveliberty]

Rural hospitals are reimbursed for medicaid at a lower rate than larger hospitals. This results in a greater percentage loss per medicaid patient in rural areas. Perhaps keeping the rates the same would be a good starting point. The OP has failed to show causation between a tax break and hospital closures. Not really surprised as it would require there to be such a link.

 

[saveliberty]

well I guess that explains the tax cuts to his friends

Not really, but it does explain the reality that these folks can't afford their premiums and end up as charity cases. And the vast majority of these rural hospital closures involve folks on Medicaid and in red states choosing not to expand it. Hospitals can only take so many charity cases before they go belly up:

Reform of the ACA needs address the rural hospital closure crisis

Rural hospitals close after conglomerate hospitals buy them. or suck their profitable patients away

 

[DrLove]

Rural hospitals close after conglomerate hospitals buy them. or suck their profitable patients away

That's just not true. Most of these rural hospitals are being shuttered - and not after being purchased.

 

[saveliberty]

Sayre is among the latest in a string of rural hospitals ending operations, citing the continuing fiscal challenges of the current hospital environment. At least 68 rural hospitals, or about 4 percent of all rural hospitals in the United States, have closed since 2010, according to the Sheps Center for Health Services Research at the University of North Carolina. Four closed in the first two months of 2016 alone.
The causes of this decline in the availability of rural health facilities are legion, but at the root of the problem is the crushing weight of regulation through the Affordable Care Act. The sum total of mandated automation, reporting requirements, shrinking reimbursements and increasing penalties for noncompliance with other mandates has left rural hospitals out in the cold.

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blog...appearing-after-obamacare-how-do-we-save-them

 

[saveliberty]

Rural hospitals close after conglomerate hospitals buy them. or suck their profitable patients away

That's just not true. Most of these rural hospitals are being shuttered - and not after being purchased.

Nice dodge on my second part of that answer.

 

[saveliberty]

Since 2010, rural hospitals have been put out of business at a rate of one a month.
Among the talking points deployed by Obamacare apologists in their effort to save “reform” is the claim that repeal will cause thousands to die due to the loss of health insurance. This nonsense is based on the fiction that repeal will cause tens of millions to instantly lose health coverage and on debunked studies showing that the lack of insurance causes premature death. Strangely, the compassionate champions of the potentially uninsured seem unmoved by the very real carnage wrought by Obamacare’s destruction of rural hospitals. Since 2010, 80 such facilities have closed, a trend that is killing patients right now.

Most of these shuttered hospitals provided the only realistic source of accessible emergency care for patients living in the rural communities they served. If you live in the area once served by Colusa Regional Medical Center in rural California, for example, you would be ill-advised to have a heart attack. To get you to a hospital your ambulance will have to drive past that now-closed facility in order to get you to the nearest ER. When asked why the hospital was forced to close, the CEO included the following among the principal reasons: “The Affordable Care Act and its reimbursement model for Medicaid and Medicare.”

Obamacare Is Killing Rural Hospitals and Their Patients

 

[saveliberty]

By the way, having insurance but no hospital really does not help a person.

 

[westwall]

Those hospitals only run because of Medicaid funding Republicans are cutting so they can give tax cuts to their billionaire donors.
We know this to be true.
Rural hospitals, in many areas are the largest employer so those people are getting a double whammy.
Get this. Rural areas voted overwhelmingly for Trump.
Hope that works out for them.

And you ignore the fact that they are closing thanks to illegal immigrants bankrupting the banks and the fact that obummer care doesn't pay them anything. Thanks obummer, you asshole.

We have almost NO immigrants up here, legal or otherwise, and our hospitals and nursing homes have been closing for two decades and it's getting worse. It is EXACTLY because they are being bankrupted by the under insured and the obligation to treat them, while the ER's have become after hours walk-in clinics for the docs who now refuse to "cover" on weekends or nights.
Unbelievable that you would blame this on illegal immigrants instead of shining the spotlight where it belongs--on the under-insured working poor and the Medicaid/Medicare reimbursements that do not cover costs.

Just because they have "insurance" doesn't mean they have coverage. The overwhelming majority of people who received insurance under obummercare did so by being added to the Medicare roles. Medicare pays so poorly that most doctors won't accept Medicare patients. In ALL of northern Nevada there is a single dentist that will accept it. Guess what the wait times are to go see him. We are losing rural hospitals because they don't pay the doctors and nurses enough for them to live out there. They simply can't afford to. So the doctors and nurses don't work for them, so they close.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Those hospitals only run because of Medicaid funding Republicans are cutting so they can give tax cuts to their billionaire donors.
We know this to be true.
Rural hospitals, in many areas are the largest employer so those people are getting a double whammy.
Get this. Rural areas voted overwhelmingly for Trump.
Hope that works out for them.

Thanks, Obama

 

[debbiedowner]

Those hospitals only run because of Medicaid funding Republicans are cutting so they can give tax cuts to their billionaire donors.
We know this to be true.
Rural hospitals, in many areas are the largest employer so those people are getting a double whammy.
Get this. Rural areas voted overwhelmingly for Trump.
Hope that works out for them.

And you ignore the fact that they are closing thanks to illegal immigrants bankrupting the banks and the fact that obummer care doesn't pay them anything. Thanks obummer, you asshole.

We have almost NO immigrants up here, legal or otherwise, and our hospitals and nursing homes have been closing for two decades and it's getting worse. It is EXACTLY because they are being bankrupted by the under insured and the obligation to treat them, while the ER's have become after hours walk-in clinics for the docs who now refuse to "cover" on weekends or nights.
Unbelievable that you would blame this on illegal immigrants instead of shining the spotlight where it belongs--on the under-insured working poor and the Medicaid/Medicare reimbursements that do not cover costs.

MEDICARE?







Just because they have "insurance" doesn't mean they have coverage. The overwhelming majority of people who received insurance under obummercare did so by being added to the Medicare roles. Medicare pays so poorly that most doctors won't accept Medicare patients. In ALL of northern Nevada there is a single dentist that will accept it. Guess what the wait times are to go see him. We are losing rural hospitals because they don't pay the doctors and nurses enough for them to live out there. They simply can't afford to. So the doctors and nurses don't work for them, so they close.

MEDICARE?

 

[OnePercenter]

Those hospitals only run because of Medicaid funding Republicans are cutting so they can give tax cuts to their billionaire donors.
We know this to be true.
Rural hospitals, in many areas are the largest employer so those people are getting a double whammy.
Get this. Rural areas voted overwhelmingly for Trump.
Hope that works out for them.

False, troll. Rural hospitals have been closing for decades because of assclowns like You who supported the government passing EMTALA.

No. Tax revenues are down due to American workers making shit for wages.

Federal revenue is at a record high. Why do you lie so much?

The fiscal year 2017 federal budget outlines U.S. government revenue and spending from October 1, 2016 through September 30, 2017. The Office of Management and Budget estimates revenue will be $3.460 trillion. That's less than the estimated $4.037 trillion in spending. That means a $577 billion budget deficit. (Source: "FY 2018 Budget, Table S-4." OMB, May 23, 2017.)

When you have a 2017 deficit of $577 billion, tax revenues are down.